Carryfast:
Slackbladder:
The plain fact is it does happen, and regularly. I have it done to me at least a couple of time a week. I don’t know wether the driver sees me & doesn’t care or just doesn’t see me full stop. I do know the the majority of drivers, when asked how come they hit the cyclist, always come out with “sorry mate I didn’t see you”. There is a whole website dedicated to it, have a look at SMIDSY.COM. Or you could stroll down to a junction & watch it live.
If it’s really a case of the overtake/go alongside and turn left scenario that’s really not likely to be a case of didn’t see the cyclist because they had to see the cyclist to overtake/go alongside without running over the cyclist in the first place.What you’re describing would be a basic driving ability issue which would apply regardless of what such a driver happened to be driving at the time.As I’ve said I’ve personally never seen such a scenario take place and find it very difficult to believe. 
However having said that,as I’ve also said,that issue of having to stop,look,and sometimes wait,when crossing side roads as a pedestrian,because of zb driving standards in the case of vehicles of all types entering side roads,is a reality.In which case the answer is yes there ‘might’,potentially,be some idiots out there who shouldn’t have a driving licence.In which case waiting and letting them go ‘just in case’ is basic survival skills. 
Well I knew you didn’t drive anymore but I didn’t realise you never left the house anymore. It does happen, as I’ve said, the fact you don’t see it says more about what you’re looking for rather than what’s going on in front of you. I don’t expect you to even admit the possibility that a trucker might not see a cyclist at the lights, heaven forbid, but it does happen.
As for the gif, no idea.
Slackbladder:
Carryfast:
Slackbladder:
The plain fact is it does happen, and regularly. I have it done to me at least a couple of time a week. I don’t know wether the driver sees me & doesn’t care or just doesn’t see me full stop. I do know the the majority of drivers, when asked how come they hit the cyclist, always come out with “sorry mate I didn’t see you”. There is a whole website dedicated to it, have a look at SMIDSY.COM. Or you could stroll down to a junction & watch it live.
If it’s really a case of the overtake/go alongside and turn left scenario that’s really not likely to be a case of didn’t see the cyclist because they had to see the cyclist to overtake/go alongside without running over the cyclist in the first place.What you’re describing would be a basic driving ability issue which would apply regardless of what such a driver happened to be driving at the time.As I’ve said I’ve personally never seen such a scenario take place and find it very difficult to believe.
However having said that,as I’ve also said,that issue of having to stop,look,and sometimes wait,when crossing side roads as a pedestrian,because of zb driving standards in the case of vehicles of all types entering side roads,is a reality.In which case the answer is yes there ‘might’,potentially,be some idiots out there who shouldn’t have a driving licence.In which case waiting and letting them go ‘just in case’ is basic survival skills.
Well I knew you didn’t drive anymore but I didn’t realise you never left the house anymore. It does happen, as I’ve said, the fact you don’t see it says more about what you’re looking for rather than what’s going on in front of you. I don’t expect you to even admit the possibility that a trucker might not see a cyclist at the lights, heaven forbid, but it does happen.
As for the gif, no idea.
Which obviously leaves the inconvenient question,for your argument,that ‘if’ truck drivers are regularly turning in on cyclists who they’ve just overtaken,but haven’t seen,then how is it that they aren’t running into those cyclists from behind before they ever get to turn in on them.Because to overtake a cyclist safely without hitting them means that first they have to be seen in the first place before positioning the vehicle for the overtake.
It seems a bit suspicious in that case that there seems to be at least an imbalance,if not large discrepancy,between non existent accidents concerning cyclists being run into from behind,as opposed to those who’ve been caught under the sides and wheels of turning trucks at the point of actually turning.
Having said that the only realistic way that the scenario which you’ve described would happen would be if the vehicle was positioned for the left turn at the point where the cyclist was overtaken with the driver clearing the cyclist in that case just by coincidence as a result of the left turn positioning.Which would still leave the inconvenient question of if drivers aren’t seeing cyclists then we’d expect to see just as many examples of cyclists being hit from behind as being caught under turning trucks.
Well Cf I know you haven’t driven a truck this century but surely you remember driving at some time. If you don’t know how a vehicle of any size does not have to hit a cyclist, waiting at a junction, from behind then you have no business being on this forum.
Carryfast:
Which obviously leaves the inconvenient question,for your argument,that ‘if’ truck drivers are regularly turning in on cyclists who they’ve just overtaken,but haven’t seen,then how is it that they aren’t running into those cyclists from behind before they ever get to turn in on them.
It happens 
Last year two cyclists mown down by a lorry
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-23157100
chester:
Carryfast:
Which obviously leaves the inconvenient question,for your argument,that ‘if’ truck drivers are regularly turning in on cyclists who they’ve just overtaken,but haven’t seen,then how is it that they aren’t running into those cyclists from behind before they ever get to turn in on them.
It happens
Last year two cyclists mown down by a lorry
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-23157100
We are still awaiting an outcome?
chester:
chester:
Carryfast:
Which obviously leaves the inconvenient question,for your argument,that ‘if’ truck drivers are regularly turning in on cyclists who they’ve just overtaken,but haven’t seen,then how is it that they aren’t running into those cyclists from behind before they ever get to turn in on them.
It happens
Last year two cyclists mown down by a lorry
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-23157100
We are still awaiting an outcome?
A totally different scenario involving a totally different type of collision.The common link being that it’s unlikely to have been the result of a driver not seeing a cyclist ahead.In that case it’s more likely to have been the speed differential between the truck and the cyclists and possibly overtaking traffic that caught the driver out.In which case it could just as easily have been a truck v tractor or slow moving vehicle like a mobile crane etc.Of which there have been numerous examples of over the years.
In either case it’s a basic lack of survival instincts amongst cyclists in that cycling on an NSL dual carriageway is just as dangerous as cycling on a motorway would be.While in the typical urban environment scenario it’s more likely to be a case of cyclists trying to pass potentially turning trucks at junctions or roundabouts etc.
Yep, because no way is it ever going to be the truckers fault, not with your one eyed view anyway.
Do cyclists really demand any respect, they are road users just like everyone else, the majority of cyclists I know also drive a vehicle. How can they object to a sign reminding them that they are not alone on the roads?
Everyone has a duty of care, even cyclists and car drivers.
lcc.org.uk/articles/london-cycli … -and-buses
Wheel Nut:
Do cyclists really demand any respect, they are road users just like everyone else, the majority of cyclists I know also drive a vehicle. How can they object to a sign reminding them that they are not alone on the roads?
Everyone has a duty of care, even cyclists and car drivers.
lcc.org.uk/articles/london-cycli … -and-buses
It’s not a sign reminding them that they are not alone it’s a sign reminding them not to overtake/undertake potentially turning vehicles.However it’s obvious that the cyclists in question don’t agree with that simple life saving idea.So the answer is obvious why bother to try to educate them just leave them to get on with it and blame the driver every time a cyclist is in collision with a turning truck or bus having tried to pass it during the turn.
chester:
098Joe:
Slackbladder:
098Joe:
If I was on a bicycle I would make sure I was never anywhere near the inside of a HGV anwhere near a junction. It is basic survival skills, same as motorcycling, always assume a vehicle in your proximity is going to do something that may hurt you and make sure you you have a contingency plan in case it does.
So what do you do when you get to the junction first, only to have an HGV stop inches from your shoulder? I only ask as I’ve never had one, or any motor vehicle for that matter, stay behind me.
Stay still until it pulls away, then if does turn left it won’t squash you, basic survival skills really.
I wouldn’t position my juggernaught next to a stationary cyclist in the first place
Basic driving skills also, mirror signal maneuver,gotta keep checking them mirrors even when waiting expect the unexpected
Carryfast:
It’s not a sign reminding them that they are not alone it’s a sign reminding them not to overtake/undertake potentially turning vehicles.However it’s obvious that the cyclists in question don’t agree with that simple life saving idea.
Why don’t LGVs just follow behind a bicycle at their speed, why overtake and then suddenly turn left In front of them.
You all quick off the mark to say cyclists shouldn’t undertake and should wait in turn?
chester:
Carryfast:
It’s not a sign reminding them that they are not alone it’s a sign reminding them not to overtake/undertake potentially turning vehicles.However it’s obvious that the cyclists in question don’t agree with that simple life saving idea.
Why don’t LGVs just follow behind a bicycle at their speed, why overtake and then suddenly turn left In front of them.
You all quick off the mark to say cyclists shouldn’t undertake and should wait in turn?
It’s obvious that the sign in question isn’t there to deal with the scenario of a vehicle overtaking and then turning left on a cyclist.It’s there to deal with the scenario of a cyclist trying to undertake a vehicle that’s potentially going to turn left.
If said truck/lorry/LGV didn’t feel the need to get past a slower road user eg cyclist, horse rider, tuck-tuck/Rickshaw then the the signs displayed on Larger vehicles could be redundant!
chester:
If said truck/lorry/LGV didn’t feel the need to get past a slower road user eg cyclist, horse rider, tuck-tuck/Rickshaw then the the signs displayed on Larger vehicles could be redundant!
How can it be case of ‘said truck/bus’ overtaking a cyclist etc,when the sign in question is obviously there to stop the opposite situation of the cyclist undertaking a potentially turning truck.IE which part of the signs aren’t there to deal with the totally different situation,of a truck overtaking and then turning left on the cyclist who’s being,or just been,overtaken,don’t you understand.
Or are you saying that the issue is that cyclists should never be overtaken by any vehicle at any time. 
Carryfast:
Or are you saying that the issue is that cyclists should never be overtaken by any vehicle at any time.
I’ve not said anything to deny any legal road user to use a carriageway in its intended purpose.
Although you have stated many time on this forum how cyclists should not be able to filter down stationary traffic.
Although motor vehicles will overtake at the earliest convenience any slower road user then themselves 
chester:
Carryfast:
Or are you saying that the issue is that cyclists should never be overtaken by any vehicle at any time.
I’ve not said anything to deny any legal road user to use a carriageway in its intended purpose.
Although you have stated many time on this forum how cyclists should not be able to filter down stationary traffic.
Although motor vehicles will overtake at the earliest convenience any slower road user then themselves
A truck that’s turning left obviously isn’t stationary and undertaking isn’t the same thing as filtering.As for the idea of even filtering being advisable along the nearside of a stationary truck or bus I’d say that is also one of the scenarios which the sign in question is aimed at trying to deter being that in the real world that’s potentially just as dangerous as undertaking.
Carryfast:
chester:
Carryfast:
Or are you saying that the issue is that cyclists should never be overtaken by any vehicle at any time.
I’ve not said anything to deny any legal road user to use a carriageway in its intended purpose.
Although you have stated many time on this forum how cyclists should not be able to filter down stationary traffic.
Although motor vehicles will overtake at the earliest convenience any slower road user then themselves
A truck that’s turning left obviously isn’t stationary and undertaking isn’t the same thing as filtering.As for the idea of even filtering being advisable along the nearside of a stationary truck or bus I’d say that is also one of the scenarios which the sign in question is aimed at trying to deter being that in the real world that’s potentially just as dangerous as undertaking.
At no point have I advised any roadcraft reference predominantly to a cyclist regarding any moving vehicle ?
““A good example how posts on a truckers forum can be misinterpreted””
chester:
Carryfast:
chester:
Carryfast:
Or are you saying that the issue is that cyclists should never be overtaken by any vehicle at any time.
I’ve not said anything to deny any legal road user to use a carriageway in its intended purpose.
Although you have stated many time on this forum how cyclists should not be able to filter down stationary traffic.
Although motor vehicles will overtake at the earliest convenience any slower road user then themselves
A truck that’s turning left obviously isn’t stationary and undertaking isn’t the same thing as filtering.As for the idea of even filtering being advisable along the nearside of a stationary truck or bus I’d say that is also one of the scenarios which the sign in question is aimed at trying to deter being that in the real world that’s potentially just as dangerous as undertaking.
At no point have I advised any roadcraft reference predominantly to a cyclist regarding any moving vehicle ?
““A good example how posts on a truckers forum can be misinterpreted””
So exactly what did you mean by saying that ‘if’ trucks/buses didn’t overtake cyclists,the signs in question, (which are obviously there to,try to,deter cyclists from undertaking,or even possibly filtering alongside, potentially left turning trucks ),would be redundant.