damoq:
My take on the DCPC is that it could be better, but its a good idea. For example, why can we sit the same course 5 times and still complete our required amount of training. It should be a different course every session IMO. But I think that drivers/companies who value the haulage industry will do their 35 hours of training before 2014, and the others who don’t value it and think its a complete waste of time probably won’t do it. Come 2014 when all training has to be completed I reckon there could be a shortage of qualified drivers. Then those of us who have completed our training will be sought after and may be able to demand better wages and conditions. Thats just my take on it and I hope I’m right about the wages thing!!!
So for that reason, I won’t be signing it. Sorry.
We already have a so called driver shortage mate! Don’t see a rise in wages anywhere! Don’t fool yourself thinking what the wages will increase because they won’t and to top that your gonna have to keep doing your 35 hours with whatever they want to charge you and your gonna have to ■■■■ it up!!
Perhaps, but with alot of drivers threatening not to complete their DCPC, they will be unable to drive. End of story. Thas alot of trucks with no drivers from Sept 2014. I reckon its our best chance yet!
The Government will probably throw this straight in the bin
Responsible department: Office of the Leader of the House of Commons
European Legislation - EU Directive 2003/59 is soon to be enforced in September 2014, IN THE UK which may have a severe impact on employable drivers. (Those not trained, will have their licences revoked). Not True. Licences will not be revoked. They are valid until the expiry date regardless of having a DQC
Thousands of Training providers have seen this legislation as a profitable venture, receiving approx £1800-00 per person for NVQ/CPC training from government funds JAUNT.
Drivers may also be required to pay themselves ! This is Not Fair on Drivers, the Industry, or the Tax Payer.
A drivers competence is assessed when a driver passes his/her driving test.There is no driving in the CPC. It is classroom based. The DSA Driving Test doesn’t assess anything else but driving
Wheel Nut:
The Government will probably throw this straight in the bin
Responsible department: Office of the Leader of the House of Commons
European Legislation - EU Directive 2003/59 is soon to be enforced in September 2014, IN THE UK which may have a severe impact on employable drivers. (Those not trained, will have their licences revoked). Not True. Licences will not be revoked. They are valid until the expiry date regardless of having a DQC
Thousands of Training providers have seen this legislation as a profitable venture, receiving approx £1800-00 per person for NVQ/CPC training from government funds JAUNT.
Drivers may also be required to pay themselves ! This is Not Fair on Drivers, the Industry, or the Tax Payer.
A drivers competence is assessed when a driver passes his/her driving test.There is no driving in the CPC. It is classroom based. The DSA Driving Test doesn’t assess anything else but driving
Thanks for pointing out where this lacks correct wording, however I am just a driver not a solicitor, MP, I struggled having it approved in the first place (rejected 3 times by the Transport Dept) I noticed the spelling mistake “JAUNT” should have read “JAUPT” and when I requested it to be amended correctly was informed that the e-petition would be removed whist the error was corrected. I therefore never pursued it as I struggled with the approval in the first place.
I am prepared to correctly word the petition and re-submit it, thats if Drivers wish for it to be pursued. Every week I hear drivers complaining about this legislation, then when you try and do something about it your banging your head up a brick wall. So any help or advice would be gratefully received regarding correct wording.
Not everyone will agree with requesting for the cpc legislation to be abolished/scrapped. I have outlined my reasons why I think it should.
Its here to stay IMHO, and talking to or hearing drivers talk mostly older ones i think that they need trainging on their tachograph/driving hours law the amount who think its ok to work 15h aday every day so long as they take a 11 hours off is mind boggling, and it mostly the ones who been doing it for years who in their words “dont need any training”
bring it on
I learn somthing new every week its just remembering it that hurts
Tony4562: It is requested that the CPC Legislation be Abolished/Scrapped
I apologise in advance if this being my first post upsets anyone. I am trying to get as much support and publicity as possible to obtain over 100,000 signatures on this e-petition - epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/33997
Won’t get my vote. One only has to look at the countless number of incorrect posts in this very forum about basic tacho regs by people who have been driving for years to see that the DCPC is more than needed.
Then these things should be addressed before a driver is let loose on the public highway.
Not through periodic training which is supposed to be about updating skills. If something a driver is doing is a safety hazard DCPC won’t help if, in its current form, it consists of potentially 35 consecutive hours of the same course once every 5 years.
malcolmj:
15h aday every day so long as they take a 11 hours off is mind boggling
Something that is very common is that a driver will take 11 hours off at night and think he has not taken a reduced rest, when in fact he has because he worked for longer than 13 hours during that day. But a lot of these mistakes could be eliminated by simplifying the law.
malcolmj:
15h aday every day so long as they take a 11 hours off is mind boggling
Something that is very common is that a driver will take 11 hours off at night and think he has not taken a reduced rest, when in fact he has because he worked for longer than 13 hours during that day. But a lot of these mistakes could be eliminated by simplifying the law.
Simplifiying it could be a good start, but why can’t they make the digi tacho warn you about not taking enough daily rest. Surely the technology is there to be had.
damoq:
My take on the DCPC is that it could be better, but its a good idea. For example, why can we sit the same course 5 times and still complete our required amount of training. It should be a different course every session IMO. But I think that drivers/companies who value the haulage industry will do their 35 hours of training before 2014, and the others who don’t value it and think its a complete waste of time probably won’t do it. Come 2014 when all training has to be completed I reckon there could be a shortage of qualified drivers. Then those of us who have completed our training will be sought after and may be able to demand better wages and conditions. Thats just my take on it and I hope I’m right about the wages thing!!!
So for that reason, I won’t be signing it. Sorry.
We already have a so called driver shortage mate! Don’t see a rise in wages anywhere! Don’t fool yourself thinking what the wages will increase because they won’t and to top that your gonna have to keep doing your 35 hours with whatever they want to charge you and your gonna have to ■■■■ it up!!
Perhaps, but with alot of drivers threatening not to complete their DCPC, they will be unable to drive. End of story. Thas alot of trucks with no drivers from Sept 2014. I reckon its our best chance yet!
The people who are threatening not to do the cpc are blowing smoke up their own arses, 9 times out of 10 they won’t have any other way to make a wage so they are going to have to do it to keep living.
It’s not 100% yet as it does need changing but we all have to do it so might as well crack on and get the hours in. Whining isn’t going to do anything.
If you get it paid for you who gives a ■■■■ if it’s the same course over and over! It’s making the job more of a profession, improving standards and you’re getting paid for it! FFS people.
If you have to pay for it your self then don’t sit the same one over and over, do something worth while, I’m sure if you pay attention you will learn something and all the while it’s improving the driving standards.
And if you still want it abolished and aren’t willing to co-operate then get the ■■■■ out of the industry.
I have seen some retarded posts on here, I’m a driver and a transport manager and I can see the benefits for drivers, although courses need improving, any training provider can get a course approved and over time they will get better.
I really hope this dcpc weans out the ■■■■■■■ idiots out of the industry!
ibson:
If you get it paid for you who gives a [zb] if it’s the same course over and over! It’s making the job more of a profession, improving standards and you’re getting paid for it! FFS people.
If you have to pay for it your self then don’t sit the same one over and over, do something worth while, I’m sure if you pay attention you will learn something and all the while it’s improving the driving standards.
And if you still want it abolished and aren’t willing to co-operate then get the [zb] out of the industry.
I have seen some mentally challenged posts on here, I’m a driver and a transport manager and I can see the benefits for drivers, although courses need improving, any training provider can get a course approved and over time they will get better.
I really hope this dcpc weans out the [zb] idiots out of the industry!
damoq:
My take on the DCPC is that it could be better, but its a good idea. For example, why can we sit the same course 5 times and still complete our required amount of training. It should be a different course every session IMO. But I think that drivers/companies who value the haulage industry will do their 35 hours of training before 2014, and the others who don’t value it and think its a complete waste of time probably won’t do it. Come 2014 when all training has to be completed I reckon there could be a shortage of qualified drivers. Then those of us who have completed our training will be sought after and may be able to demand better wages and conditions. Thats just my take on it and I hope I’m right about the wages thing!!!
So for that reason, I won’t be signing it. Sorry.
We already have a so called driver shortage mate! Don’t see a rise in wages anywhere! Don’t fool yourself thinking what the wages will increase because they won’t and to top that your gonna have to keep doing your 35 hours with whatever they want to charge you and your gonna have to ■■■■ it up!!
Perhaps, but with alot of drivers threatening not to complete their DCPC, they will be unable to drive. End of story. Thas alot of trucks with no drivers from Sept 2014. I reckon its our best chance yet!
The people who are threatening not to do the cpc are blowing smoke up their own arses, 9 times out of 10 they won’t have any other way to make a wage so they are going to have to do it to keep living.
It’s not 100% yet as it does need changing but we all have to do it so might as well crack on and get the hours in. Whining isn’t going to do anything.
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Depends if transport managers turn a blind eye to a drivers who haven’t.
I don’t know if insurers will withdraw cover on drivers who haven’t which will be the deciding factor.
damoq:
My take on the DCPC is that it could be better, but its a good idea. For example, why can we sit the same course 5 times and still complete our required amount of training. It should be a different course every session IMO. But I think that drivers/companies who value the haulage industry will do their 35 hours of training before 2014, and the others who don’t value it and think its a complete waste of time probably won’t do it. Come 2014 when all training has to be completed I reckon there could be a shortage of qualified drivers. Then those of us who have completed our training will be sought after and may be able to demand better wages and conditions. Thats just my take on it and I hope I’m right about the wages thing!!!
So for that reason, I won’t be signing it. Sorry.
We already have a so called driver shortage mate! Don’t see a rise in wages anywhere! Don’t fool yourself thinking what the wages will increase because they won’t and to top that your gonna have to keep doing your 35 hours with whatever they want to charge you and your gonna have to ■■■■ it up!!
Perhaps, but with alot of drivers threatening not to complete their DCPC, they will be unable to drive. End of story. Thas alot of trucks with no drivers from Sept 2014. I reckon its our best chance yet!
The people who are threatening not to do the cpc are blowing smoke up their own arses, 9 times out of 10 they won’t have any other way to make a wage so they are going to have to do it to keep living.
It’s not 100% yet as it does need changing but we all have to do it so might as well crack on and get the hours in. Whining isn’t going to do anything.
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Depends if transport managers turn a blind eye to a drivers who haven’t.
I don’t know if insurers will withdraw cover on drivers who haven’t which will be the deciding factor.
Not sure, but if all your courses have to be uploaded to the DVLA, surely if you dont do your training your licence will be revoked. This would mean driving without a proper, which in turn means no insurance.
Damoq! No License revocation mate! Only restricted! So at any time in the future you can do the Dcpc and start driving again unless you fail a medical!
dessy:
Damoq! No License revocation mate! Only restricted! So at any time in the future you can do the Dcpc and start driving again unless you fail a medical!
But untill you complete your 35hrs (after sept 2014), would you be classes as unlicenced?
Done If every HGV driver who just looks in on these forums signed it we may stand a chance. We could have had rid of this ridiculous legislation earlier but for the apathy of many drivers who just cant be bothered to get involved.
Conor:
Won’t get my vote. One only has to look at the countless number of incorrect posts in this very forum about basic tacho regs by people who have been driving for years to see that the DCPC is more than needed.
Its got my vote. The sheer amount of people I now talk to who are misinformed about tacho rules because they’re quoting their DCPC ‘teacher’ and his or her errors is beyond a joke.
One driver I personally know was told by his ‘teacher’ that the rumour about VOSA and the whole “£30 fine for each turn of the trailer landing leg handle” was true and the law…
Another driver was told by his ‘teacher’ that the 3+9hr split shift was illegal and abolished years ago and that wer’e now on a rolling 24 hour clock so if you take a reduced 9hr break, you’ll have to stop half way through the next day as you’ll have exceeded 9/10 hours drive in a rolling 24 hour window. His ‘teacher’ didn’t know that driving times are RESET after each rest period, wether 9 or 11. Its not drivers who need to be taught how to ■■■■ on eggs, its the idiots who are forcing this farce on to us.
Who is making sure that the DCPC teachers actually know more than your average confused driver?!?! From what I’ve seen so far it just seems like its the blind leading the blind.
