A religion question for Robroy,but will he give me a straigh

OUT OF HOURS BULLY'S TRUCKSTOP BAR (INTERACTIVE)
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Zac_A:

robroy:
and Happy Birthday to yer man JC. :smiley:

Except he wasn’t born on December 25th, not least of all because the shepherds would not have been in the fields with their flocks at night during December, they only did that in lambing season, so it would have been around March. And JC wasn’t even born in the year they claim, it was most likely somewhere between 6BC and 4BC
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_Jesus

Is there something slightly self defeating in arguing that Jesus was born around 6BC?

1782

Zac_A:

robroy:
The most ironic thing is that I am an atheist , but I show better actual ‘Christian’ characteristics ’ and qualities than you two,.because in my book I hold everybody equal, and have no problems with any particular group.

That’s probably a fair comment and I don’t believe you’re alone in that, most of the Christians I’ve ever met are, in their deeds and actions, less-Christian than the non-Christian people around them.

Sploom, if you believe you do not know any gay people at all (and I’m using that one simple word to include all of the “Alphabet Brigade” in all it’s unending iterations), that’s probably because the average gay person is likely to be very wary of you and your religious ilk, knowing you believe without question what’s said in your BBOFT.

Not all of them are like the theatrical, bang-a-drum, pride-parading gays you see in the media, and unless you are in friendly conversation with them you won’t know what their preferences are, so you probably do know some, you’re just not aware.

Yep, a guy who was slightly older than us in our circle of mates as young lads, but was often in our company, a big rough looking lad who you would not want to tangle with, he was also married with kids, in later years was busted in the local bogs, with a group of others.
The absolute last guy you would expect to hear that about. :open_mouth:

He disappeared for a while, abd when he came back, and saw me in the town, rather than come right over to me as he normally would, he kinda held back to see how I would react to seeing him…he had obviously been rejected by one or two of the other lads, I just greeted him as normal, which obviously pleased him…live and let live I say.

Any so called self ■■■■ righteous Christian who would react otherwise,.and who denounces any group of fellow human beings, in my opinion is a pure hypocrite.
As I said ‘Selective Christians’. :unamused:

1783

njl:

Zac_A:

robroy:
and Happy Birthday to yer man JC. :smiley:

Except he wasn’t born on December 25th, not least of all because the shepherds would not have been in the fields with their flocks at night during December, they only did that in lambing season, so it would have been around March. And JC wasn’t even born in the year they claim, it was most likely somewhere between 6BC and 4BC
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_Jesus

Is there something slightly self defeating in arguing that Jesus was born around 6BC?

It would be if I was arguing from the point of view that I believed JC to be what they claim he was, I’m merely quoting a source which alleges religious scholars have calculated this to be his probable year of birth.

1784

whisperingsmith:
March it is Zac_A - particularly as he was a Pisces.

You also see lot’s of Christian’s Cars with the Pisces symbol on them

Yes but the fish symbolism is something other than a zodiac reference, it’s basically a Greek acronym
christianitytoday.com/histo … ymbol.html

Anyway, I’m more of a fan of this, with or without the “Darwin” in the middle space :laughing:

Yes Sploom, I appreciate you will struggle to accept the idea that a fish evolved legs from it’s fins, but the evolutionary evidence is both in the fossil record AND in at least two living fish: The marine Coelocanth, found around the Comoro islands of the Indian Ocean, and the freshwater “lungfish” (scientifically, the Dipnoi) found in Australia, Africa and South America - these are the last (known) surviving examples of the sarcopterygians, or “lobe-finned” fish.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcopterygii

1785

Robroy.
Franglais was talking about the rights and wrongs of how the government handled covid,you said you wouldnt waste your time discussing it,nobody cares and I sort of agreed with you.We were on the verge of world war 3 and the lefties were more concerned with whether the downing street party took place or not and then after all that suddenly you have all this energy to discuss how the church treats gays,something that doesnt affect any of us,just saying

1786

The maoster.
You are right.I dont know if they are gay or not.I’m a Christian.It doesnt make me a policeman to enforce the laws of the Bible.

1787

Sploom:
Robroy.
Franglais was talking about the rights and wrongs of how the government handled covid,you said you wouldnt waste your time discussing it,nobody cares and I sort of agreed with you.We were on the verge of world war 3 and the lefties were more concerned with whether the downing street party took place or not and then after all that suddenly you have all this energy to discuss how the church treats gays,something that doesnt affect any of us,just saying

What sort of argument is that exactly ffs?? :laughing:
Franglais bores the arse off me with his obsession over Covid, and his ott reaction to what was basically a ‘works party’, where as this particular subject intrigues me.
How anybody who on one hand, can set themselves up as perfect human beings working for everything that is ‘good’, and supposedly loving everything and everybody, but who also paradoxically exclude a whole group of people, and section of the community, at a stroke, who were simply just born the way they were… just because you/they disapprove of them.

Total hypocrisy on every level…, especially when the obvious question raised by this is…
Who or what exactly tf do you think you are, to pass some sort of judgement or criteria, and pass it off nonchalantly as being normal and acceptable practice…,.whilst at the same time literally preach at everybody else, who in your eyes are doing wrong.
You and your group’s arrogance knows no bounds mate.

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Zac_A:

Sploom:
Determinism | Definition, Philosophers, & Facts | Britannica

Ive just learnt today what a determinist is.
I think that would be my position if I was not a Christian

So basically, you feel you’re not responsible for decisions you make or your actions/omissions etc; if it’s not in the hands of your Sky Pixie it is some other force - fate, kismet, luck etc :unamused:

As a philosophy/way of life, that really ■■■■■ - there are always choices
reknew.org/2018/10/three-argume … terminism/

No Zac_A
Im absolutley responsible for my actions and we will all have to give account on judgement day.

Im going to have a look at the neurones now.Yoy say they have that special property of freedom of choice rather than following the laws of physics

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Sploom:
The maoster.
You are right.I dont know if they are gay or not.I’m a Christian.It doesnt make me a policeman to enforce the laws of the Bible.

The Bible is ‘NOT’ a law, it is an outdated book, with views that are taken as law by choice, by crackpots like yourself.
At best it should be used as a guide if you feel the need to live by it…a bit like the use of a sat nav.
The rational person uses the sat nav as a guide whilst keeping an open mind.
An idiot uses it as an absolute instruction. :bulb:
And look at the results of that.
You’re welcome.

1790

robroy:

Sploom:
Winseer.
Im not an angel either,but anybody can pretend to be anything on a forum,so people might assume Im holier than thou,because of what I post but really,Im in battle with sin every day,Im anything but holyBut here’s the thing.An unsaved person isnt battling against the unwanted desires of the flesh.They give in to these desires,they become a slave to sin.They submit themselves to the desires of the flesh.

‘Desires of the flesh’ ‘A slave to sin’ :unamused:
Hey,.the 18 Century has been on the blower…they have read that piece, and the usual crap that Winseer spouts, and are asking when you are both returning there.
Ffs man,… :laughing: :laughing:

Also just to say here…
The Christian religion can be basically condensed into one rule, where the rest of it will just fall into place if lived by…
That is, as far as I remember my Sunday School days…
‘‘Love thy neighbour’’. :bulb:

Now we have established Splooms usual characteritic narrow minded attitude to gay people a while ago, (although he later back peddlaled on it)
But now whingeseer is having a veiled pop at LGBT people.
But it’s fine because of his disclaimer that he has …'‘Plenty of gay friends’, :smiley: …aye right we believe you…
Where as me, a guy who has absolutely zero problems against gay people, but by the same token, it happens I only know one gay guy personally, but your ‘circle of friends’ is full of em eh?

Reminiscent of the phrase ‘I ain’t racist, Some of my best friends are black’.

75% of the total dog sh written on this particular thread, is [zb] unreal. :laughing: :laughing:

Robroy.
The Christian religion isnt just about loving thy neighbour.
But what happens if a Christian sees someone sinning?
Matthew 18:15-20

Dealing With Sin in the Church
15 “If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over.
16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’
17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

So this verse runs a steam roller through your idea of live and let live,etc,yes,its the easy path to take but it is absolutley not Christian and not loving either.If you love the person,you want them to be right with God and you want them to be ready to meet God on judgement day without blemish

1791

Sploom:

robroy:

Sploom:
Winseer.
Im not an angel either,but anybody can pretend to be anything on a forum,so people might assume Im holier than thou,because of what I post but really,Im in battle with sin every day,Im anything but holyBut here’s the thing.An unsaved person isnt battling against the unwanted desires of the flesh.They give in to these desires,they become a slave to sin.They submit themselves to the desires of the flesh.

‘Desires of the flesh’ ‘A slave to sin’ :unamused:
Hey,.the 18 Century has been on the blower…they have read that piece, and the usual crap that Winseer spouts, and are asking when you are both returning there.
Ffs man,… :laughing: :laughing:

Also just to say here…
The Christian religion can be basically condensed into one rule, where the rest of it will just fall into place if lived by…
That is, as far as I remember my Sunday School days…
‘‘Love thy neighbour’’. :bulb:

Now we have established Splooms usual characteritic narrow minded attitude to gay people a while ago, (although he later back peddlaled on it)
But now whingeseer is having a veiled pop at LGBT people.
But it’s fine because of his disclaimer that he has …'‘Plenty of gay friends’, :smiley: …aye right we believe you…
Where as me, a guy who has absolutely zero problems against gay people, but by the same token, it happens I only know one gay guy personally, but your ‘circle of friends’ is full of em eh?

Reminiscent of the phrase ‘I ain’t racist, Some of my best friends are black’.

75% of the total dog sh written on this particular thread, is [zb] unreal. :laughing: :laughing:

Robroy.
The Christian religion isnt just about loving thy neighbour.
But what happens if a Christian sees someone sinning?
Matthew 18:15-20

Dealing With Sin in the Church
15 “If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over.
16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’
17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

So this verse runs a steam roller through your idea of live and let live,etc,yes,its the easy path to take but it is absolutley not Christian and not loving either.If you love the person,you want them to be right with God and you want them to be ready to meet God on judgement day without blemish

Ok, got it, more Biblical bull ■■■■ chucked at me, rather than a rational answer. :unamused:

Right so there’s you with your narrow minded out dated bigoted prejudices, who excludes a whole group of people, but who pontificates over everybody that your way is the right way, and who lives your whole life by some outdated ancient code,.with the restrictions that way of life brings…
And laughingly all done only to make some sort of gain in an imaginary non existent ‘afterlife’.

Then there is me who treats everybody as the same and equally, in a more humanist charitable and normal way, (unless of course they deserve the alternative) whilst making my own mind up and making my own decisions in life based on what I personally think is right.

So who is the better person here and who has the better quality of life exactly would you say?

Here’s a clue to the answer.
Me.

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You!
But who will the better after life?
Me!

Seriously,dont forget we are only talking about people who want to join the body of believers in Jesus Christ.If you arent in this group,then you arent signed up to rules.God doesnt want to force anyone to be a Christian.Its entirely voluntary

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Sploom:
You!
But who will the better after life?
Me!

Seriously,dont forget we are only talking about people who want to join the body of believers in Jesus Christ.If you arent in this group,then you arent signed up to rules.God doesnt want to force anyone to be a Christian.Its entirely voluntary

An afterlife concept is a superstition, which belongs in the likes of primitive jungle communities who eat each other and point at fire, and Middle Eastern culture…oh yeah I forgot Christianity is a Middle Eastern religion.
So that puts that to bed.
We will know f/all after death…because we will be DEAD!

How can you say that it is basically choice only, when all these outlandish branches of Christianity spends lots of time in recruitment.

You have spent 12 months on me ffs, trying to get me to join the ranks of the brainwashed.

1794

Yea,ok,Robroy,sorry if I went a bit over the top.
Had a few wines today

1795

Sploom doesn’t have gay friends, he has secret admirers. :laughing:

1796

Zac_A
I read a bit more about neurones and I know the brain has 86 billion of them,but,the problem is,the neurone is just an on off switch,as I understand it.So even though the amount of connections,did you say 100000000000 is mind boggling,it goes nowhere in explaining human conscience.If you consider the internet,we have 8 billion people in the world ,say 4 billion have a computer,for arguments sake.How many connections between all those computers could there be?
Imagine if we desgined an “app” that mimicked a neurone and all 4 billion computers started making connections,or what if every computer had a program that mimicked 10 000 neurones and then all 4 billion computers started connecting with each other over the internet.We end up with one big “brain”,but that “brain” is not even one tiny tiny step to ever being aware of itself in any way ,shape or form.It’s just one massive big ,electric circuit.

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Sploom:
No Zac_A
Im absolutley responsible for my actions and we will all have to give account on judgement day.

Then you’ve completely misunderstood the meaning of “determinism” :unamused:

Sploom:
Im going to have a look at the neurones now.Yoy say they have that special property of freedom of choice rather than following the laws of physics

No, no, no… A whopping big misunderstanding and misrepresentation. :unamused: :unamused: So vast that if you didn’t have such a long history on TN I would have written that off as mere trolling.

Show me where I said neurones do not follow the laws of science? Hint, I didn’t.
I said “we” as a complete organism have choice, neurones don’t “choose”, but they do change: They form new connections and “disconnect” old connections based on a range of things, such as electrical activity of the different neurones and a variety of cell-signalling molecules. Our brain is not fixed, it changes throughout life based on learning and experience, it is neuroplastic, but that is not the same thing as “choice” which I for one would reserve for the actions of the whole organism, not individual cells.

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Star down under.:
Sploom doesn’t have gay friends, he has secret admirers. :laughing:

Who all want to “save” him, by converting him to their way of thinking, just like he wants to do with the rest of the world… :laughing:

I’m kidding of course, his secret admirers are probably content to “live and let live”, which we now know is not Christian, and through that I think we can see why Christianity is so unpopular in the modern world where intolerance is often genuinely criminalized. Though those of us who are tolerant are democratically obliged to tolerate the intolerant. :laughing: Christians really are an unpleasant lot when you get down to brass tacks.

1799

Sploom:
You!
But who will the better after life?
Me!

That “ner ner ner-ner-ner” attitude really doesn’t help your case at all, because your would-be “superiority” is based on a fantasy, but sadly you seem to struggle to differentiate fact from fiction. It’s one thing to have a “belief system”, but often your belief system goes over the border into what can only be described as the world of mental illness. I find people with your belief system to be genuinely scary.

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I was actually joking when I said that to Robroy after few glasses of wine