Winseer.
Very true.I found as soon as I became a Christian,the atheists would expect me to know the whole Bible in detail and to defend it,at a time when I was only beginning to read it.
I think,then,it looks like there are 3 types of people.The religous ones,the determinists and the atheists that believe everything came from nothingness or energy,but that we can still have free will by some method that hasnt yet been discovered.
britannica.com/topic/determinism
Ive just learnt today what a determinist is.
I think that would be my position if I was not a Christian
Sploom:
Zac_A.
I read all what wrote about the brain,the neurone connections and so on.I undetstood half of it but without knowing the technical words.But I think you said we are talking 1*10^17 connections which sounds good but again,from my calculations,you only have to multiply 2 by 2 50 odd times to get to these figures.If we have a system of say ,4 neurones,supposing it was created in a lab,that “brain” would be no more than a calculator,perhaps,it would have no knowledge or conscience.So if you keep doubling the neurones, you get something twice or some power more until you get a brain.Each step can only double the processing power of the previous step.I still cant see how you can make the jump from a calculator to a brain that has a concsience and feelings and is aware of itself.It is not enough to just double,or multiply by another number from the previous step because all this does is give you a bigger version of what came before
I don’t believe those are your own words: I’ve never seen you attempt to use scientific (also engineering) notation to indicate large numbers, in fact I specifically avoided using that format previously, knowing that writing 8.6 x 10^9 wouldn’t mean anything more to you than me saying a straight line can be represented by y = mx + b.
I doubt very much you’re aware of synergy, which is where two or more components of any system, when combined, produce a result greater than the sum of the individual components. The nature of very complex networks, which is a very simple description of the human brain, is way beyond the understanding of anti-scientists, as you (or your advisory “Elders”) could easily see if you could cope with a challenge to your superstitions.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170818/
Winseer:
That’s like saying "If you’re not a microbiologist - you are not qualified enough to be an Atheist since you have yet to prove that God doesn’t exist, even within your own “Science Belief System”.Oh the Hubris!
Oh the ramblings of the addled mind…
Seriously, you guys need to lay off the drugs, you (by which I mean the anti-science Triumverate), sound like a bunch of first-years university students who’ve just dropped their first shot of acid and are stuck in the kitchen talking ■■■■■■■■ till they come down.
Zac_A
I started en engineering degree with the open university some years back but I had to give it up after the first year because it got too difficult to have a job and that at the same time.Ive forgotten most of the maths I learnt but I can remember the scientific notation.
I looked at the link you put but it was too difficult to undetstand for someone without a scientific background
ROG:
We all know that getting pregnant needs input from a male and a female so perhaps someone can explain in scientific terms how an immaculate conception is possible
“Immaculate conception”, or “virgin birth” if you prefer, would scientifically be referred to as parthenogenisis. As the rational among us will appreciate, it has never been documented in humans (Sorry Triumverate members, BBOFTs are are not “reality” despite what you might choose to believe)
However… parthenogenesis is very well documented in other species, most notably in aphids (greenfly etc) but also the Komodo dragon and a few other reptile species, as well as some sharks and also some spiders. Here’s an easy article on the subject
worldatlas.com/articles/10- … nesis.html
So I think the real question ought to be: What kind of an organism was Mary really? Reptile, fish or one of the invertebrates?
If she was a reptile, perhaps she was a representative of Scientology’s “space lizard” race, and maybe the two religions might combine in the future? Tom Cruise could be Pope, if he chooses to accept the mission 
Sploom:
Zac_A
I started en engineering degree with the open university some years back but I had to give it up after the first year because it got too difficult to have a job and that at the same time.Ive forgotten most of the maths I learnt but I can remember the scientific notation
Yes it can be hard combining working life with OU study (I started my post-school-age study with the OU in the 80’s). It’s a pity you didn’t stick with it, STEM could potentially have ameliorated the effect of the superstitions.
I gave it a good shot ,I think I got 100 points out of 350 needed but the people in my group,they were all working in engineering,it got too difficult unless you were working in that industry.The time to do these things is when you are 18 without any commitments,not when you are in your thirties with a job,mortgage,children.I know some people can but it was too much for me
Zac_A:
Winseer:
That’s like saying "If you’re not a microbiologist - you are not qualified enough to be an Atheist since you have yet to prove that God doesn’t exist, even within your own “Science Belief System”.Oh the Hubris!
Oh the ramblings of the addled mind…
Seriously, you guys need to lay off the drugs, you (by which I mean the anti-science Triumverate), sound like a bunch of first-years university students who’ve just dropped their first shot of acid and are stuck in the kitchen talking ■■■■■■■■ till they come down.
I’m not anti-science at all.
I’m just anti “people who cannot be sold to under any circumstances” - the very same body of people that “call” themselves all kinds of things, but are in fact Anti-ALL of those things.
Example: A scientist discovers something new, and gets ridiculed by the wider science community.
When their “new to science” findings have been tested enough to be accepted BY the wider community, then you get to call yourself “Doctor” but what got lost on the way there?
“wonder” I would argue.
Without Wonder - one cannot discover anything without having a bias that isn’t healthy for any kind of scientist to have:
“Being paid to research nonsense” for example, but have “funding withdrawn for being a heretic” despite “Heresy” being a religious concept…
It’s all alive and well in today’s aggressive atheist belief system, where “no one believes you unless you prove it” and when you DO prove it you get told "That proof isn’t acceptable, because you cannot prove that you’re right and I’m wrong!".
What a load of tosh that is…
The world of human history has changed course many a time because someone said.
“Enough. Let’s try something ELSE for a change, as this age-old method of doing something - clearly doesn’t work, didn’t work, and likely will NEVER work”.
I hold a diploma in Data Processing, Electronic & Electrical Engineering (ONC) and Physical Sciences (Physics, Applied Maths, and Chemistry).
Just because I’m no Doctor or Bsc - doesn’t mean I am a complete thicko on these subjects I bring up.
To someone like myself, “Organized Religion” is discredited when the “Pope” does things like accepts LGBT as “OK” in the church…
Nope. Leviticus 18:23 is very straight-forward and clear on that.
A member of a congregation who chooses to sin in this particular lifestyle - is no better than a soldier who kills someone in their own country once demobbed.
“Thou Shalt Not Kill” needs to be followed as much as “Thou Shalt Not lie with Man as with Woman - it is abomination!”
What’s so bloody hard to understand when the language is THAT clear hmm?
Doesn’t mean we can’t all get along though…
Got plenty of gay friends, plenty of Military families I’m friendly with from my TA days as well…
We’re talking about two entirely different concepts here:
I don’t get to preach on the lifestyles of others, but no one will tell me I’m less of a person because I believe what I happen to believe in either!
To me Gaian Theory is as discredited as “Smoking is Good for you” put out by tobacco firms when we were kids…
Lies, damned Lies and Lefty Lawyers.
“Covid Lockdown” COULD have saved the country an awful lot of money, and economic damage if the government simply said "If you die during the period we define - your family gets paid as no-quibble compensation enough money to redeem their mortgage. If you don’t have any mortgage to pay and you die - too bad!
Best you get back to work, and renounce the furlough then huh?
Governments that have already been tried - are thus discretied regardless of which side of politics they come from.
I don’t profess to be any Angel of a person here, but I’d like to think I’m as Anti-Establishment as Christ would have us ALL be.
You can respect authority - but there is a limit on what that authority can ask of you.
“Behave Yourself” seems reasonable.
“Give up everything you have so we elites can have a better life, and your enemies can be here full stop” does NOT seem “reasonable” - does it?
I’d just like to see the Loony Left consent to “letting the Moral Majority Right” simply have the damned WIN for once in a while, rather than “resist resist resist, plunder, burn down, and lie about” which is the REAL reason Labour don’t win power for so long.
The Tories are the fault of Duff Labour, and Duff Labour is the result of Duff Voters who think “helping someone you’ll never meet” takes priority over “Paying me more for my unpleasant job” which is what the Labour movement USED to be about… Oh my, how they lost their way this past century when Labour have been endemic at Westminster…
They’ve had enough time. So have the Tories and Liberals. Even the SNP have had their shout, and proven to be just as ineffective.
Time for a total change:
How about a Parliament made up of minor national parties like Plaid Cymru, a slimmed-down SNP, and a small block of BNP (instead of bloody banning them!) with the main two parties being Green for the Left-leaning, and Reform for the Right leaning?
Winseer.
Im not an angel either,but anybody can pretend to be anything on a forum,so people might assume Im holier than thou,because of what I post but really,Im in battle with sin every day,Im anything but holyBut here’s the thing.An unsaved person isnt battling against the unwanted desires of the flesh.They give in to these desires,they become a slave to sin.They submit themselves to the desires of the flesh.
Giving in to the desires of the flesh gives major health benefits, as well as considerable pleasure.
The Benefits of a Healthy ■■■ Life
Lower blood pressure.
Better immune system.
Better heart health, possibly including lower risk for heart disease.
Improved self-esteem.
Decreased depression and anxiety.
Increased libido.
Immediate, natural pain relief.
Better sleep.
The thing I remember from my youth in a Baptist family was how grey & miserable they all were, anything pleasurable was frowned on.
Sploom:
Winseer.
Im not an angel either,but anybody can pretend to be anything on a forum,so people might assume Im holier than thou,because of what I post but really,Im in battle with sin every day,Im anything but holyBut here’s the thing.An unsaved person isnt battling against the unwanted desires of the flesh.They give in to these desires,they become a slave to sin.They submit themselves to the desires of the flesh.
‘Desires of the flesh’ ‘A slave to sin’ 
Hey,.the 18 Century has been on the blower…they have read that piece, and the usual crap that Winseer spouts, and are asking when you are both returning there.
Ffs man,…
Also just to say here…
The Christian religion can be basically condensed into one rule, where the rest of it will just fall into place if lived by…
That is, as far as I remember my Sunday School days…
‘‘Love thy neighbour’’. 
Now we have established Splooms usual characteritic narrow minded attitude to gay people a while ago, (although he later back peddlaled on it)
But now whingeseer is having a veiled pop at LGBT people.
But it’s fine because of his disclaimer that he has …'‘Plenty of gay friends’, 
…aye right we believe you…
Where as me, a guy who has absolutely zero problems against gay people, but by the same token, it happens I only know one gay guy personally, but your ‘circle of friends’ is full of em eh?
Reminiscent of the phrase ‘I ain’t racist, Some of my best friends are black’.
75% of the total dog sh written on this particular thread, is ■■■■ unreal.
Robroy.
I/we dont define what a sin is.It’s not my place to do that.If homosexuality is forbidenn in the Bible,Im duty bound to stick to that.If I was to declare it as acceptable to God,that would mean I was being dishonest.I hope this clears this matter up,once and for all.
And Happy Christmas.
Btw,I dont have any gay friends,dont know where you got that from
Sploom:
Btw,I dont have any gay friends
How do you know?
I have lots of friends and many many more acquaintances. I have zero clue about the ■■■■■■ persuasions of the majority of them because of the simple reason that I don’t care. I divide the world into two distinct camps; coffee bean shakers and non coffee bean shakers. You’re one or the other regardless of gender, ethnicity or ■■■■■■ orientation.
Sploom:
Robroy.
I/we dont define what a sin is.It’s not my place to do that.If homosexuality is forbidenn in the Bible,Im duty bound to stick to that.If I was to declare it as acceptable to God,that would mean I was being dishonest.I hope this clears this matter up,once and for all.
And Happy Christmas.
Btw,I dont have any gay friends,dont know where you got that from
Was referring to your mate Winseer.
My point was how can you be a proper Christian, but totally reject a high proportion of your ‘neighbours’, it’s a paradox and a contradiction, and shows up your branch of religion as ‘selective Christianity’
The most ironic thing is that I am an atheist , but I show better actual ‘Christian’ characteristics ’ and qualities than you two,.because in my book I hold everybody equal, and have no problems with any particular group.
Happy Christmas to you also (and Happy Birthday to yer man JC. )
Sploom:
Determinism | Definition, Philosophers, & Facts | BritannicaIve just learnt today what a determinist is.
I think that would be my position if I was not a Christian
So basically, you feel you’re not responsible for decisions you make or your actions/omissions etc; if it’s not in the hands of your Sky Pixie it is some other force - fate, kismet, luck etc
As a philosophy/way of life, that really ■■■■■ - there are always choices
reknew.org/2018/10/three-argume … terminism/
robroy:
The most ironic thing is that I am an atheist , but I show better actual ‘Christian’ characteristics ’ and qualities than you two,.because in my book I hold everybody equal, and have no problems with any particular group.
That’s probably a fair comment and I don’t believe you’re alone in that, most of the Christians I’ve ever met are, in their deeds and actions, less-Christian than the non-Christian people around them.
Sploom, if you believe you do not know any gay people at all (and I’m using that one simple word to include all of the “Alphabet Brigade” in all it’s unending iterations), that’s probably because the average gay person is likely to be very wary of you and your religious ilk, knowing you believe without question what’s said in your BBOFT.
Not all of them are like the theatrical, bang-a-drum, pride-parading gays you see in the media, and unless you are in friendly conversation with them you won’t know what their preferences are, so you probably do know some, you’re just not aware.
robroy:
and Happy Birthday to yer man JC.
Except he wasn’t born on December 25th, not least of all because the shepherds would not have been in the fields with their flocks at night during December, they only did that in lambing season, so it would have been around March. And JC wasn’t even born in the year they claim, it was most likely somewhere between 6BC and 4BC
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_Jesus
March it is Zac_A - particularly as he was a Pisces.
You also see lot’s of Christian’s Cars with the Pisces symbol on them
