Winseer:
Easy: We all have a chance to immortalize ourselves through our offspring/descendents
We don’t all have as big egos as you tho. Out of interest do you have children? If so how many? Do they follow your beliefs or did they escape as soon as they possibly could?
switchlogic:
Your brain really is a raging skip fire of absolute nonsense isn’t it.
Such fire - is still plenty enough to cremate 100% of anyone refusing to climb out of that skip though, eh?..
For most people - appealing to their logic works, and represents the best chance of future survival that humanity yet has…
(1) “Green” agenda - should be dropped without delay, as it simply doesn’t work, is killing people, and won’t save anyone but the elites.
(2) "Guaranteed death rate of 100% - unless and until people accept that “resurrection” in some shape or form (even by “Science” eg. Cloning) is the only way past the 100% death rate
(3) That the current rulership these past 1000 years has, and must now come to an end for a higher order to take over. The transfer of power from “West” to “East” would surely achieve that, and brings the fundamental flaw in the outgoing “Democracy” system to an end with it as well. "Wot do you do when the MAJORITY stand and vote against you, for another system entirely, an old-fashioned one such as Benevolent Autocracy perhaps? Live by it, survive away from it, or be destroyed defying it. We’ll all have our choices.
There’s something in there for all humanity, not just those who think they are already home free, those who want to ignore it, and of course those who openly think they can avert it…
The “uniting factor” is that NO one can escape this planet, and the judgement likely to come upon it in most of our lifetimes because we cannot leave it.
“Space Travel” (travelling from Earth to Heaven without dying) - needs to be Mankind’s top priority, rather than shutting down science research for the NEXT 1000 years, so Evil rather than Good can remain in control of this planet, and it’s population.
I appeal to people’s logic, if I cannot appeal to their faith.
I appeal to their faith, if I cannot appeal to their intellect.
I appeal to their instincts, if I cannot appeal to either of the above.
“Let it happen” if you fear incoming Righteousness.
“Run away” if you are supporting the opposite - whilst you still can.
“Keep your head down” if you are quite happy with the way things are going, lest you be caught in the crossfire of such upheaval.
(Play the “I’m Alright Jack Card” I referred to earlier.)
I read the Bible to glean insights into Great Mysteries, rather than glean literal Historical Facts (humans are flawed, after all…) I see the Bible as “A set of Riddles to be solved”.
There’s an awful lot of people on this Earth who believe that “Green Agenda” is leading this planet’s population to utter ruin - in numbers WAY beyond Christianity, or even believers in anything at all, including the Greensters already taken in by such “Faux Religion” that Gaian theory represents.
Oh, - the Hubris!
switchlogic:
Winseer:
Easy: We all have a chance to immortalize ourselves through our offspring/descendentsWe don’t all have as big egos as you tho. Out of interest do you have children? If so how many? Do they follow your beliefs or did they escape as soon as they possibly could?
Yes, I’m a Dad - and I’m fortunate enough to have a kid in University who’s actual subject is effectively “Solving Great Mysteries” - She’s reading Physics.
No sign yet that following her dad’s rhetoric - has done her any harm, as we’ve all seen as a family others who didn’t realize that the “Truth” wasn’t what they’d been told from the start, and have (other people we know as a family) since come to grief because they jumped the wrong way when confronted by such truths…
“Science” means following where the evidence gathered takes one, rather than taking someone else’s word for it.
“New Science” is how one gains a doctorate in this discipline as well btw.
Where’s the proof that reducing Carbon Emissions on this planet - will do this planet some good, ANY Good, rather than the great harm that is already in evidence?
You cannot alter the balance of the world’s ecosystem - without expecting dire consequences in return.
Less CO2 means less Plant proliferation, and less Oxygen output FROM such plant proliferation (for example…) This is Science over “Gaia” here.
Guess who gets the FUNDING though?
Those so-called bought-and-paid for “Scientists” who support the Gaian narrative rather than the Raw Science one.
Carbon CAPTURE - does no harm, but reducing EMISSIONS? - ends up reducing life itself. ALL life.
Quote;…"Space travel, travelling from Earth to Heaven without dying, needs to be mankind’s top priority’'…unquote.
I reckon that closes the case.
I often say that nothing amazes me anymore…I take it back.
(I’m confident that NASA are all over it btw. , stay by the phone Winseer they will be looking for a volunteer Space Cadet/Astronaut before ya know it.)
youtu.be/EWSp5ijOOfk?si=qAeybLVCGGjaN_iv
You’ll be known in history as…
‘Capt.Winseer,.the man who boldly went where no man had been before (without dying that is)’’ 
And let’s not forget co.pilot Lieut. Sploom
Beam me up Sploomy.
robroy:
(I’m confident that NASA are all over it btw.
Can nasa be trusted, I would imagine they have done more than their fare share of promoting the big bang theory and arguing that the earth revolves around the sun.
The ‘old school’ layout makes it look much more straightforward. Might even make it there with a big ladder.
Winseer:
For most people - appealing to their logic works, and represents the best chance of future survival that humanity yet has…
Logic and religion is something of an oxymoron
robroy:
Quote;…"Space travel, travelling from Earth to Heaven without dying, needs to be mankind’s top priority’'…unquote.
I often say that nothing amazes me anymore…I take it back.
Oh ye of little faith a pox be upon you. Upon you and your family
Science doesn’t have the processes to prove or disprove the existence of God. Science studies and attempts to explain only the natural world while God, in most religions, is supernatural.
Oh Jesus, Mary and Joseph we’ve got another one
Bigtruck3:
Science doesn’t have the processes to prove or disprove the existence of God. Science studies and attempts to explain only the natural world while God, in most religions, is supernatural.
Science has proved a hell of a lot more about the creation and evolution of the planet we live on, definitely sure as hell a lot more than any crazy religious theory ever has…or ever could. 
And any ‘god’ in any religion is a supernatural concept by it’s very definition
switchlogic:
Do you never stop and realise how utterly childish that sounds?
If any of them achieved that state of normality to have such a realisation, they’d be like Michael Stipe
“That’s me in the corner… losing my religion”.
You need a large amount of childishness to believe in an IFITS and the respective Big Book of Fairy Stories
robroy:
Bigtruck3:
Science doesn’t have the processes to prove or disprove the existence of God. Science studies and attempts to explain only the natural world while God, in most religions, is supernatural.Science has proved a hell of a lot more about the creation and evolution of the planet we live on, definitely sure as hell a lot more than any crazy religious theory ever has…or ever could.
And any ‘god’ in any religion is a supernatural concept by it’s very definition
A another way at looking at it would be that it’s a cult a form of mass brainwashing in different countries
People are so easily led and if you get enough people it’s viewed and thought of
as a real thing
I suppose most people need to believe in something so why not something thats been going for years without any real truth
Thinking it must be true because they was brainwashed from childhood
A Medical doctor can answer questions about postponing Death, but not extending Life.
A Religious leader can answer questions about surviving Death, but not extending Life.
A government with unlimited borrowed money to spend - can pay for people to extend their lives en masse (Eg. replace the NHS with costing-the-same BUPA cover for all persons with an NH number), but won’t permit anyone to live long enough TO that point in the meantime. There’s surely enough money to phase such decent medical cover IN, rather than be lamblasted for having to raze the NHS to the ground first and then get booted out of office before the implementation of the GOOD bit - The Free BUPA…
It isn’t a coincidence that Evil people tend to rise in power, whereas the Good tend to not climb to start with, and if they do - get bumped off the moment they climb to the pinnicle of power.
Perhaps the Atheist and Believer can agree on one truth in this day-and-age:
ORGANIZED religion has become corrupt and wicked a long time since.
It is for each of us to find our own way, and live as long as possible with “quality of life” intact as we do so.
robroy:
Bigtruck3:
Science doesn’t have the processes to prove or disprove the existence of God. Science studies and attempts to explain only the natural world while God, in most religions, is supernatural.Science has proved a hell of a lot more about the creation and evolution of the planet we live on, definitely sure as hell a lot more than any crazy religious theory ever has…or ever could.
And any ‘god’ in any religion is a supernatural concept by it’s very definition
Science hasnt proved,even evolution exists nor the big bang theory or human conscience,lets not get too carried away…
Wow…
Sploom is telling ME not to get carried away. 
Ok mate. 
A great time of the year for Christians,a time for us to invite non believers into the Church to share in the great joy that we have,knowing our sins have been covered by the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross.
How empty I would feel without the Christian life and fellowship of Christian believers and the security of eternal life ,happy days!
Christianity as an organized religion - would work better I reckon, if the faith acted towards those in it’s own community like the Jewish do among their community…
A bit of a “Closed Shop” for sure, but finances and privacy issues are rather better dealt with huh?
Imagine on the other hand if Christians got upset like Muslims do - when the godless public go around persecuting them as often as they do…
Jewish people tend to go-to-ground when under pressure from without…
I’ve got friends from all three faiths, and the “Dream” is that we three “God Embracing” groups - united against the godless heathen, instead of getting played off against each other all the time instead…
I don’t think “Secularism” is the answer though.
“Freedom of Religion” leaves things wide open to abuse by those more aggressive “Religious Doctrines” like State Sponsored Terrorism and of course Satanism…
Sploom:
A great time of the year for Christians,a time for us to invite non believers into the Church to share in the great joy that we have,knowing our sins have been covered by the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross.
How empty I would feel without the Christian life and fellowship of Christian believers and the security of eternal life ,happy days!
And why do you feel the need to invite ‘‘non believers’’ (or level headed non fantasists as an alternative term) into your crazy world exactly?
Is it not better for you all to just carry on indulging in your primitive ways in bliss, and let the rest of us carry on in our lives in logic and reality?
As an atheist/realist I would not dream of trying to disenfranchise you of your way of life, however crazy I think it is…live and let live.
I prefer to just watch in wonderment (and admittedly amusement 
) at how you put yourselves and your family under such restrictions, rather than lead a full enjoyable life,.and at the same time as I have said before, feel sorry for your kids…who you have already admitted actually come SECOND to your fantasies …which I will never get my head around.
We are restricted enough by rules and legislations without making others up.
Maybe you are all worried about the enormous drop in church numbers, so you need a recruitment drive.
Face up to it, normal everyday people who follow a religion, on the whole and compared with the past, are dying out…literally, it is not being carried on by their following generations.
Ok,.there are still.a few ‘normal’ people who have their beliefs,.and do it privately, fair enough good luck to them , but my theory is many of them are in their own minds ‘either way’ but are keeping their options open and covering their arses …just in case.
I had this conversation with my Dad the other day… my Mother claims to be a believer, but my Dad just kinda goes along with it to keep the peace imo, and in his own mind knows that ‘‘It is what it is’’.
It is mainly openly practiced nowadays by the crackpot contingent (of all religions) some more crackpot and militant than others, who feel the need to.shout from the rooftops, and who try and force their beliefs on the great uninterested majority and involve them.
In a nutshell.
Btw…@Winseer… Hows the campaign to get NASA persuaded to kick off the ‘Space Mission to Heaven’ going that you suggested?
Have you started the Astronaut Training programme yet?
I think his 'Mission to Heaven post, has even surpassed his famous ‘Driving his… not a truck but an Instrument of Death’ everyday down the M1 post.
Class.
Robroy.
Yes,God gave us rules,but the rules are for everyones benefit,so I dont find them restrictive.
Imagine just living one day with no rules,on the roads if you like,it would soon be complete chaos
