A religion question for Robroy,but will he give me a straigh

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whisperingsmith:
And whilst, as you say, every word in the Bible is the word of God, you can ignore the parts that don’t suit your agenda.

Sploom:
No,absolultley not.The Bible is all in agreement with itself,even though it was written over hundreds of years.But compare that any subject you would discuss today.If you asked 10 experts,you willl get different points of view.Jesus was predicted to be born 600 years before in the book of Isaiah.How do you explain that?

As an example, how would 10 experts have different points of view regarding these texts ■■

Luke 19:27
But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.

Leviticus 20:10 ESV /
If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.[/qu
Those verses look clear enough to me.I guess the 10 experts would agree generalkyote]

1142

Sploom:
Hutpik.
Im not asking anyine for money.I only want to see souls saved.

What utter tosh, allow me to translate:
“I will be happy if I can find anyone retarded and gullible enough to believe the same 20-something year old crap that I believe, regardless of how irrational my crap is in this scientific age”.
Why can’t you have a bit of respect for your fellow man and not be so arrogant as to believe that you know better than they do how they should live their lives?

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There are those who say the Bible cant be relied on because it has been corrupted over the years.But,if you take this line,it’s hard to imagine where the starting point might have been.If you adjust any of the parameters in one book,you have to do the same in the otherst too.
But,again,if your focus is to prove the book wrong,why even bother to read it?
Why do you have to prove it?

1144

I do feel some sympathy for Sploomy - he has admitted that he missed out on education,
and as he has shown in his posts he can only just read & write.

Christian Fundamentalist marketing is directed at those of low intellect & poor education,
that’s why it is so successful in the Southern States of the USA, but has low take up in the UK.

It provides a very profitable income for the Pastors, Elders, and Christian corporations and also provides
the bulk of the support for the Republican Party, which ironically seems as far removed from Christian principles as
Genghis Khan or Vlad the Impaler.

1145

Dont feel sorry for me.My heart is full of joy!
As for my education,well,it was enough to earn a living as a trucker.I have relatives who are very highly educated,sone of them in too jobs,they probably pay more tax than I earn,but one thing I did notice,they dont look down on me for my lack of education,the only ones who seem to do that is fellow truckers,just saying

1146

I don’t think anyone is looking down on you Sploomy - but we can’t avoid seeing the results of your poor education.

You display Learning difficulties to us - and then you try to sell us your USA Cultism.

A word of advice, if you want to convince people to join you, learn to read & write.
Most counties in the UK run remedial courses for people such as yourself.
It’s nothing to be ashamed of but could even help you understand your bible and even engage in rational thought.

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The fact that you feel the need to say all this say as much about you as it does me,I suggest

1148

Sploom:
The fact that you feel the need to say all this say as much about you as it does me,I suggest

Sounds like you got that from an elder - you almost spelt it all correctly.

And yes you are right, I place a high value on rational thought and I don’t suffer fools gladly :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

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If people really had faith in Science over God, then why don’t they bloody well become scientists, rather than attempt to exploit science, and then moan when it isn’t the exact all singing, all dancing thing they were led to believe it was…?

"Covid will cure your ills, and help you live longer".

That’s why more and more under-50’s who didn’t actually need the jabs in the first place - are now more and more frequently dying from that.

Too much faith in Science that says “You must have the jabs - Trust us, @ Big Pharma” vs the Belivers who Question and Doubt any body of people who says “We are more important than Jesus” which would have to include that other stiff of 43 years - John Lennon I guess… :unamused:

God is for the living - not the dead. There’s no association with a faux god like Anubis here, weather or not you’re a Stargate or Egyptology fan (I’m both AND a believer)
There’s a huge difference between ‘study of one’s enemies’ and ‘worship of EVERYONE’S enemy’.
Satanists don’t give a hoot what decent God-fearing people get upto providing they are not in positions of political power or influence.
Believers, on the other hand - have to always be on their guard for the subtle plays that Satanists make each and every day to chip at the souls of not just those in power and influence positions, but all those looking UPON them as well.

“If we let this decent, God-fearing person to come to grief - people will lose faith, and our master Satan wins yet more souls… I know! - Let’s make sure ‘some harm comes to them’ ALL that stand in our way.”"

In time, the Righteous will eject those evil-doers masqerading as “Do Gooders” among them.

Also, among the Heathen there will be new converts once they realize that they’ve been clandestinely tricked into playing for the wrong team - all along.

People change. Everyone has up until their own indivudual death to get on the right road, whilst they still can.
There’s no need to “Hard Sell” that concept, hence I cannot ever be “Evangelical”. My faith is for my menagerie only, and everyone else has to make the choice for themselves, before the death normally inevitable for us all - hunts us down over time. :bulb:

Mark 12:27 “He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.”

1150

whisperingsmith:

Sploom:
The fact that you feel the need to say all this say as much about you as it does me,I suggest

Sounds like you got that from an elder - you almost spelt it all correctly.

And yes you are right, I place a high value on rational thought and I don’t suffer fools gladly :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

I don’t suffer fools neither, but my definition of “Fool” might well be different:

“One who cannot be won over by Argument - not ever.”

“One who does something wrong, gets punished, and deliberately does it wrong again for presumed further punishment, and then moans when they get that punishment in abundance”.

It makes perfect sense for unbelievers who’ve led a charmed lifestyle to date - to not ever believe in God, or anything else beyond their own power and influence.
Death makes good losers of us all though, and there’s no point being the richest one in the cemetary.

Mammon would have people dying with outstanding debts - forever damned.
Some denomiations of Christianity - would have us damned for “outstanding sins” at Death.
But the Atheist though? They’ve only got the Law to get past, and once done - they could do pretty much any evil they like, and usually do.
How can you trust an Atheist then, especially if they get to become the very Lawyers and Teachers of the Law that Christ found himself up against?

“The Establishment” is a public enemy, consisting of a critical mass of high-powered lawyers and bankers as it does. It is about time people realized that, and rejected them as masters of their lives - Believer and Atheist alike.

“Give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s - and give unto God what is God’s”. (Mark 12:17)

1151

whisperingsmith:

Sploom:
But if you pick up the Bible and only search for faults and contraversial passages ,you arent getting any benefit.
And so the same with you looking at the Bible.Is it just a completley bad thing or is it a book of hope for you.But only you can decide this.If you want to be a Christian,you have to weigh up the cost first.

So in spite of everything you have said so far, you actually pick & choose the parts of the Bible that suit you ■■

And whilst, as you say, every word in the Bible is the word of God, you can ignore the parts that don’t suit your agenda.

Most of what is written in the bible are the writings and deeds of those trying to Interpret, and as such don’t reprsent the base truth bits of the bible, which are the bits that come directly from God via the Prophets (Eg. The Ten Commandments) or via Christ (via the apostles)

Moses, for instance - actually met God, but not directly in the flesh.
Christ, being the Word MADE Flesh was met by the Disciples, but not every “Apostle” thereafter had that direct connection that the originals had, so one must allow for “distancing” when it comes to say, Apostle Paul (formerly Saul of Tarsus - Establishment Man) uses his already-existing power and influence to get (I suspect) sometimes more than the original message across, to keep the masses in line a little better for the long-term good of Humanity.
If that were truly Paul’s “Hidden Agenda” mission given to him around the time of the Road to Damascus experience - then there’s no harm in Paul extending beyond the base interpretation, and with it - beyond mere fundamentalist Christianity.

It is said that the different denominations of Christianity descended from the various apostles…
Peter and Paul more associated with Roman Catholicism for instance, with disciple Phillip being behind the more “superstitious ritual”-flavour of Eastern Orthodoxy.
But what of the Latter Day Saints church though? -
Whilst I don’t trust it at all, my reasons for that permit a future “conversion” should it one day be taken over by a proper holy person or persons - just as the very title of their brand of church presents… “Latter Day Saints”…
Where are those rich people doing wonders for humanity with their wealth though?
Don’t hold your breath. :frowning:

One could even argue that any forthcoming “Second Coming” - is not imo likely to involve a tete-a-tete with say, the Pope let alone with most of today’s “World Leaders”…
…Hmm Maybe except this one perhaps…

Putin Orthodoxy.jpeg

Perhaps there’s more meaning to Putin’s Russia building over 3000 new churches in Russia these past 20 years - than meets the eye as obvious ploy to fool us all.

1152

You could be right for once there Winseer.

Putin & the Russian Orthodox Church plan to provide Russian troops with inflatable chapels.

This development consists of a four-by-four-metre tent that can accommodate a platoon of soldiers.

You unfold it, quickly inflate it, hold a service, close it and go. If there are two people assembling the tent and hanging all the icons, it can be unfolded and inflated in 10 minutes. It takes a little more time to fold up - 15 minutes."

The support truck car has a refrigerator, a shower, a sink, a composting toilet, and two sleeping places for the driver and the priest.

1153

whisperingsmith:

Sploom:
The fact that you feel the need to say all this say as much about you as it does me,I suggest

Sounds like you got that from an elder - you almost spelt it all correctly.

And yes you are right, I place a high value on rational thought and I don’t suffer fools gladly :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

I’m in total agreement WS, I would also add that taking a modicum of pride in written English is a measure of self-respect.

To publicly present statements in writing which are below the standard required of today’s Year 6 primary school children (ten to eleven year olds) when they sit their SATs, should be something to be ashamed of.

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You remind me of some of the teachers at the bog standard school I went to.You would have fitted in well there,with an attitude like that.

Winseer.
I dont think it will be Putin or the pope.

1155

But.
What must Putin be thinking when he sees things like this?
youtu.be/05foY3FwUoo
I dont know if this is real.It wouldnt surprise me if it was.

1156

Sploom:
You remind me of some of the teachers at the bog standard school I went to.You would have fitted in well there,with an attitude like that.

On one hand, you say Pride is a Sin, yet you come on here displaying your pride at being thick & illiterate.

1157

whisperingsmith:

Sploom:
You remind me of some of the teachers at the bog standard school I went to.You would have fitted in well there,with an attitude like that.

On one hand, you say Pride is a Sin, yet you come on here displaying your pride at being thick & illiterate.

An attitude like what Sploomy? An attitude of wanting to be capable of writing to a standard where an eleven-year old wouldn’t be able to say “that’s wrong”?
Explain to me why that is a bad thing?

This is one of the things I really despise about most religions, especially Christianity: They prey on the intellectually impoverished because they don’t want to be questioned; the more educated someone is, the more likely they are to question things. That’s why for centuries the ordinary person couldn’t get their hands on a bible written in English, the religion-masters didn’t want the ordinary person to think for themselves about the fairy stories they were being told.

Here we are in the 21st Century and still we have people who are willingly submitting to being told what to think by their religion-masters, which for you are your “elders”. It’s one thing to be deceived, but to willingly seek out and submit to this insane deception defies belief!

Lets be honest though, anyone with more education would hopefully be smart enough to avoid falling in with cultists, it’s almost identical to those scam emails with deliberate spelling and grammar mistakes, they do this to filter out those who are too smart to be taken in by the false hopes of some big reward.

So what you’re saying Sploomy is that in all the years since you were at school, you have made no effort whatsoever to improve your level of education, not even some basic Key Stage 2 (7-11 year old) literacy? Not even a spoonful of self-improvement so you can help your kids with their homework? Epic parenting-fail.

And yet you spend your life immersed in some new-fangled American cult, arrogantly presuming to tell other people what they should be doing? :laughing:
“You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” Matthew 7:3-5

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1158

Mmm,can we keep this thread about religion and not about the educational standards of anyone.You can start a thread about that topic if you want to

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No, because your lack of education is supremely relevant when you’re banging on about your fairy-tale nonsense book, and arrogantly presuming to tell other people they need to be “saved”.
Basic SPAG is more important in daily life than your nonsensical preaching, you’re just continually emphasising that your cult is for mindless, ill-educated, sheep-like followers.

Sploom:
But.
What must Putin be thinking when he sees things like this?
youtu.be/05foY3FwUoo
I dont know if this is real.It wouldnt surprise me if it was.

Instead of trawling through rubbish on YouTube, why don’t you make a start on your self-improvement?
It’s even cheaper on ebay than the Amazon product I linked to.
ebay.co.uk/p/209503163

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Sploom:
Mmm,can we keep this thread about religion and not about the educational standards of anyone.

Educational standards, analytical skills, and the ability to think rationally are core tenets when discussing Religion,
particularly the Corporate American version masquerading as Christian Fundamentalism.

Millions of Dollars are spent trying to snare the uneducated & those of limited intellect into Christian Fundamentalism.