Sploom:
OK,I have two children,one comes to church with me,one doesnt.How much information do you expect me to share with someone who thinks Im a terrorist.Im not asking you if you have children or not or any private questions.
Whatever they achieve in life is about them and the work they put in.I never use this word pride.Pride is one of the sins ,is it not
No but what we are asking is about the damage you do to those closest to you - no amount of Bible texts can excuse you from that.
Sploom:
OK,I have two children,one comes to church with me,one doesnt.How much information do you expect me to share with someone who thinks Im a terrorist.Im not asking you if you have children or not or any private questions.
Whatever they achieve in life is about them and the work they put in.I never use this word pride.Pride is one of the sins ,is it not
No but what we are asking is about the damage you do to those closest to you - no amount of Bible texts can excuse you from that.
I have done zero damage to those closest to me.
There you go.
A straight non evasive answer.
Sploom:
I have done zero damage to those closest to me.
There you go. A straight non evasive answer.
You and your elders might think that - but if only one of your sons goes to church with you (probably the youngest who is yet to get the strength to confront you) then you are still damaging him and the damage to the one who doesn’t go is something you just ignore.
Sploom:
OK,I have two children,one comes to church with me,one doesnt.How much information do you expect me to share with someone who thinks Im a terrorist.Im not asking you if you have children or not or any private questions.
Whatever they achieve in life is about them and the work they put in.I never use this word pride.Pride is one of the sins ,is it not
There ya go, now that didn’t hurt now did it? 
The one that does not go to church with you…do you consider that a failure on your part?
If I was you, and it was my kid,.I would admire him/her for having their own mind and initiative,.whether or not it fit in with my ways, (or in your case…beliefs.).it shows strong character. 
And btw…WHAT? 
…You think it is wrong saying you are proud of your kids??..abd you stop short of telling them??
It just shows you think more of this dog crap than what you do your family
I love all my kids, and I often tell them that I am proud of them…Because I AM.
But you obviously prioritise on all this meaningless crap over your family…
I would maybe suggest that is the catalyst,.(or at the very least a connection) for the reason one of your kids refuses to follow in your (misguided) footsteps.
I as a kid did fine at school, I did ok at college a bit older, I never brought shame to my parents (ok, admittedlly mostly because I was careful 
) but not once did my Dad ever tell me he was proud of me, which was a disappointment to me if I am honest. So as I said I regularly tell all my 4 I am very proud of their achievements…its part of good and proper parenting. 
Robroy.
My dad never told me he was proud of me either,mind you ,I didnt give him much to be proud of.I left school with no qualifications,going from dead end job to dead end job,drinking nearly every night,smoking like a chimney and other things they never knew about.
But that wasnt an issue,what he said or didnt say,but the reason I never say Im proud of my kids is because,whatever they achieve,I dont want to take credit for their hard efforts,thats the only reason,but that doesnt mean I think its wrong for someone else.We’re all different and view the world through differents eyes 
No she doesnt come to church only occasionally to see me in the worship band if Im on the keys
Sploom:
Zac_A.
There is mountains of evidence in the Bible
How can a book of fairy stories provide “evidence”? That’s like saying Alice in Wonderland provides evidence that rabbits can talk and caterpillars do drugs.
You just don’t get it do you?
Sploom:
Robroy.
My never told me he was proud of me either,mind you ,I didnt give him much to be proud of.I left school with no qualifications,going from dead end job to dead end job,drinking nearly every night,smoking like a chimney and other things they never knew about.
But that wasnt an issue,what he said or didnt say,but the reason I never say Im proud of my kids is because,whatever they achieve,I dont want to take credit for their hard efforts,thats the only reason,but that doesnt mean I think its wrong for someone else.We’re all different and view the world through differents eyes
Ok, but of course you should take an element of credit on how your kids turn out.
I dont tell them to take credit,.I tell them because I am genuinely proud of how they have turned out…especially after how much I missed of them growing up.
So if anybody deserves credit it is more my wife than me.
I’ve never been shy of showing emotion to my kids, only about 10 mins ago, my eldest lad a strapping 35 year old 6’1 gym enthusiast who does body building,… I’ve just been to the front door giving him a ‘man hug’ as he is flying off for a week.
Nothing wrong with being close with your kids mate.
Sploom:
the reason I never say Im proud of my kids is because,whatever they achieve,I dont want to take credit for their hard efforts,
Jeeezuz H…WTF? You are so f’ed up it’s beyond the pale. A family psychologist would have a field-day with your idea of parenting. Telling your child you’re proud of what they’ve done is NOT you taking credit for it What is wrong with you man!
Both of my kids have their own talents, not just academically, but at home too, one musically, one artistically. Both of them get a lot of pleasure from sharing their latest creations with me, and when I tell them how impressed I am with their efforts and how proud of their achievements I am, I KNOW how it makes them feel, it’s written all over their beaming faces.
So your Dad was never proud of anything you did? Snap. In 20 years of being a musician my Dad never once saw me play, one of the reasons we weren’t close. I was never a “needy” kid anyway, and after he was gone I never missed him at all, because of his insufficient interest in me, he was always bound up in his own thing - like you are with your religion to the detriment of your kids. That is what should scare you, not the fictitious, fiery flames of a non-existant hell, but being a non-entity to your children.
Unlike you, when I became a parent I promised myself I wouldn’t be anything like my Dad, so my children know their Dad is their number one fan in whatever they do.
So when you say
I have done zero damage to those closest to me
you literally have no clue just how much massive damage will already have been done.
Robroy,yes fairplay
@Zac…
Just to clarify a couple of my points made…
I also was never a ‘needy’ kid, it is just that it would have been nice if my Dad had told me he was proud of me, when I was younger that’s all.
I too see the beam when I tell my kids.
Unlike you and your Dad, me and my Dad have always got on well, I often used to take him ou for a pint,.and up to about 12 years ago,we used to go off together on European WW1 and 2 history coach tours, to the likes of Arnhem, Normandy , and Ypres.
Just thought I would clarify that …for what it’s worth.
Zac_A
You got me wrong,of course I take an intrest and say well done and all that but the thing is,if she did well at school,its nothing Ive done.If anything I would be the soft touch,you know,if they want a sick note or something…
But ,its like how much you earn.If you have a good paying job,you dont go around bragging because if someone else is earning less,it makes you look arragant and likewise I know people who have children ended up in prison,doing hard drugs and everything.If the parents were talking to me about it and they were to ask me what they did wrong,I would be the one to point out that we are responsible for our own actions and cant blame our upbringing or parents for our actions
My lad is 51, recently split with his partner - lockdown fever got the better of them.
Back living with me,
I kicked him out when he was 17 to make his own way & learn how to survive on his own (obviously I kept an eye & helped out when needed).
In that time he did his A Levels and went to Uni, including a year at LSU Baton Rouge.
So I reckon he is his own man, but apart from a few early Beastie Boys tracks he plays music I like: 70s West Coast right up to Faithless & Groove Armada, so home life is sweet.
He would disagree with Rob, same as me about ■■■■■■■■ - but would turn Sploom inside out if tried on any of Evangelical Fairy Story ■■■■.
Proud of him - of course!!
Shame on you Sploom for not showing any positive reinforcement to your Kids. Hopefully, they will recover from you and your twisted American mental affliction and go on to live happy & fulfilled lives.
Guys, please stop this now. He’s spitroasting you all, walk away.
the maoster:
Guys, please stop this now. He’s spitroasting you all, walk away.
Are you saying we’ve fell for it?
This is all part of the Trucknet Missionary conversion campaign process,.and we ain’t realised??
Hmmm he’s cleverer than I thought.
But at least he ain’t affected me in the slightest …
…Thank the good Lord. 
robroy:
Unlike you and your Dad, me and my Dad have always got on well, I often used to take him ou for a pint,
I had plenty of pints with my Dad - he was a pub landlord
Just for clarity, he died more than 30 years ago, so it’s all ancient history.
Had the first pint with my dad when he was in his 80s.
Mother finally allowed him to stay with me & my son for a weekend.
It was probably one of the first pints he had, he enjoyed the pub so much that we went every day whilst he was with me. He had finally managed to release himself from years of Baptist repression.
When it came time for him to go home he was in tears, he said he hadn’t enjoyed himself so much for years or felt so free.
Whilst he had woken up to all the lost years, experiences, and connection with his kids & grandkids due to the Baptists, mother had become more Baptist and he was dreading going home & return to all the repression that entailed.
At the end of the day, we’re all mortal, and the fate of any indivudual’s soul, be that you believe you have one - or not - comes down to that individual.
If people everywhere made the correct decisions on things, then every election would be 100%/0% for the winners, we’d all be behind unpopular policy roll-outs such as Covid lockdowns, Backing Ukraine instead of Russia, and of course backing Brexit instead of Remain, rather than force the break-up of the EU because they woulddn’t let us go.
They still haven’t of course (Ukraine proves that…) but that’s beside the point.
“Faith” is about what you’ll leave to others to get done for you.
We can have faith in our employers and politicians as well as God.
It is strange how people somehow don’t expect bad things to happen to them if they rubbish God, and yet are quite happy to keep stumn, and not rubbish their local establishment at the drop of a hat…
Most of us are NOT political activists, after all… Even I have never been on a “March” in my life, preferring instead to put talking points out there.
I’m a bit puzzled why the Left seem to have gone very quiet over the Trump issue as well, I thought they’d be gloating-a-plenty by this point… Just as the Faithless like to snigger at the Faithful, the TDS crowd I would have thought would be celebrating well into the night that Trump’s people are either going to Jail, or are going to be forced to rise up to prevent that from happening… Thus proving that the charges are VALID, oddly enough…
I have high faith in God, but very low faith indeed as to what the Establishment can achieve for the collective good, greater or otherwise - of humanity and the future of this entire planet.
Hint: It has nothing to do with Man-Made Climate Change.
Where in the Bible does it forbid going to the pub for a pint?
I go for a pint with my son…
But I always taught my kids the dangers of alcohol.To treat it with respect,always have a limit and be aware the delayed effects of alcohol.I remember getting drunk at 14 and I never heard the last of it.I was made to feel really guilty about it and I did but,looking back,how was I supposed to know,if no one told me about this before.The Bible tells us not to get drunk on strong liquor but isnt this good advice?
Look at all the crimes committed because of alcohol.It causes more damage than any other drug as I understand it.