Also,you say being a Christian is restrictive.
What are these restrictions that you dont like?
Can you be a bit more specific…
Btw,not talking about the Roman church or anglica,seventh day,or JW or the mormons or the church of latter day saints,just the Christian fundamentalist
Sploom:
Also,you say being a Christian is restrictive.
What are these restrictions that you dont like?
Can you be a bit more specific…Btw,not talking about the Roman church or anglica,seventh day,or JW or the mormons or the church of latter day saints,just the Christian fundamentalist
Look mate it is all the ‘Church of Mickey Mouse’ to me, same sh different lables , so I have not got a scooby wtf you are on about. 
,.as far as I see it you all ■■■■ in the same primitive pot. 
Ok,.so you ask about my restrictions theory.
Ok, let’s start with relationships,.■■■,.and the like,.and how your brand of religion looks upon these issues.
I have 4 kids in varying types of relationships.
One is married…daughter.
One plays the field with different girls…son.
The other 2 (son and daughter ) live with their respective partners,.with 5 kids between them, and one more on the way.
You say ■■■ before marriage is wrong…RESTRICTIVE …
(Although it is the most basic NATURAL thing in the world to the human race, but in your ridiculous narrow minded outdated view it is wrong, so that condemns my youngest lad for starters who is a bit of a ‘player’ pretty much as I was as a lad, and I would go as far as to say the vast majority of us once were.)
You have already stated that Christian marriage is essential and paramount in your view.
So presumably you would look at the non marriage with kids relationships in my family immoral?..RESTRICTIVE. .
So if one of your kids decided to live with their partners and have a kid/kids, you would presumably do anything between, and up to, putting them on a guilt trip with outdated views on morality, or go as far as to disown them…and (your) God only knows the ■■■■ storm that would come.about if one of them came out as gay ! 
How illustrative of RESTRICTIVE life (and self centred) is that for you so far ?
Then my favourite subject (which I have already touched on) when it comes to talking to you, as I like to see you squirm in uneasiness and discomfort 
, the ‘H’ word…homosexuality.
Not only immoral in your view but downright abhorrent…
RESTRICTIVE.
You would rather see a whole section of people live a whole life of solitary misery, loneliness and denial,just because it does not fit in with your views written thousands of years ago, instead of them enjoying a long term happy same ■■■ relationship…
Not just RESTRICTIVE , but mega and whole life RESTRICTIVE in many normal and decent people’s view, but bizarrely not in yours.
So I have freely discussed my kids.what about yours?
Feel free to comment on mine btw,.as I did ask, so no offence will be taken by your predicted narrow minded views.
I would presume all your kids are robotic ,(presumably brainwashed ) , paragons of virtue, living their lives by some outdated and RESTRICTIVE code just to pacify and please you,.(whilst feeling secretly unhappy inside as they watch the comparisons in their more ‘normal’ friends lives.)
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If that is the case (as I strongly suspect it is after a lifetime of your brand of parental guidance) then shame on you as a parent.
Theres no need to talk about our kids given this isnt a private discusion.I can make the points just talking generally as its the same for everyone.
God designed us to have a ■■■■■■ relationsip within the security of a marriage.He didnt design our bodies to be shared between lots of different partners.But I dont see this as restrictive.■■■ is a beautiful gift from God for the purpose of making children.A child deserves to grow up in a secure home with both parents committed to each other.
Parents splitting up devestates childrens lives.Ive seen this first hand in friends who have gone through this .Its not in God’s design and why would it be? The Bible forbids fornication for a reason and it is out of God’s love for us that He doesnt want us to do it.I dont want it.I wouldnt want to share my life with a woman who doesnt want to commit.It would be no good to me.Its intimacy.Its private.Our bodies are private,not designed to be shared to a crowd of people which is what happens with premarital ■■■ because when people split up,they carry part of the last person into the next relationship.Thats the ugly truth
Part of the previous intimacy is carried into the next ■■■■■■ relationship and the results are jealousy and insecurity.The new partner is jealous of the previous rrlationship. The problems can be dealt with but its not the ideal situation.Its not the best.
Then,on top of that you have ■■■■■■■■ transmitted diseases,unwanted pregnancies,abortions and the list goes on.Alll these things arise from going against God’s design.
A womans ■■■■■■■■■ is a gift to give her husband.Why give this to someone who will become a stranger,add her to the list and then tell his mates all the details.A woman is worth more than this.
Some of us in our church,who werrent saved at a young age are are happily married but also scarred from not following Gods design on marriage and dating,yes dating,thats not even Biblical,its an AMERICAN invention and nearly everyone has swallowed this lie.If you research dating,it has only existed for what 100 or 200 years.We managed so well without it
One of the elders summed it up very well,once,when he was talking to the young men about this.He said,you know,young guys you go to the disco,nightclub,whatever,that girl youre making out with,thats going to be someone elses wife!!
It made me stop and think.Id never looked at it like that following week,I was on the cpc and the trainer was bragging about his ■■■■■■ achievements and he said he went to a wedding and seen the bride standing there all in white(symbolising purity) and he was sniggering thinking,ha,Ive seen you naked,and everyone laughed but I didnt find it so funny.It was ugly,what I heard,it just wasnt a nice thing to hear
Sploom:
Theres no need to talk about our kids given this isnt a private discusion.I can make the points just talking generally as its the same for everyone.
God designed us to have a ■■■■■■ relationsip within the security of a marriage.He didnt design our bodies to be shared between lots of different partners.But I dont see this as restrictive.■■■ is a beautiful gift from God for the purpose of making children.A child deserves to grow up in a secure home with both parents committed to each other.
Parents splitting up devestates childrens lives.Ive seen this first hand in friends who have gone through this .Its not in God’s design and why would it be? The Bible forbids fornication for a reason and it is out of God’s love for us that He doesnt want us to do it.I dont want it.I wouldnt want to share my life with a woman who doesnt want to commit.It would be no good to me.Its intimacy.Its private.Our bodies are private,not designed to be shared to a crowd of people which is what happens with premarital ■■■ because when people split up,they carry part of the last person into the next relationship.Thats the ugly truth
Ahh so I’m evidently right about your children then.
I wasnt asking for their names and addresses, personal details and passwords ffs, what harm can come from generally speaking about their marital or single status as I did about mine?
Yep…Nail on head I reckon, you have no doubt brought them up indoctrinating them with all the crap that you live by yourself, with very little thoughts of the long term effects on them.
You will.have created x no of little versions of yourself, hoping they will perpetuate your ridiculous codes on to the next generations.
A kind of religious megalomaniac, not unlike the ■■■■ master race campaign.
I feel really sorry for your kids,.as I said a life of psychological abuse achieved by forcing your will on them.
I bet if they have a modicum of resistance they are inside very unhappy young people.
Sorry to be so blunt, but you had the chance to carry on the discussion by answering my question and if you feel nothing to be ashamed of, or can see nothing wrong with the way you have brought up your kids, what is the problem.
You bring all this stuff on yourself on here.
If you dont like home truths mate…dont set bait.
Your Bible forbids what you term as ‘fornication’ and ■■■ before marriage, what other firms of human NATURE does it 'forbid '.
What are your views on divorce…if you fall out of love … are you meant to carry on regardless, or are you meant to be in denial as you prefer homosexuals to be?
Then you tell me your religion does not restrict you.
Dont make me ■■■■ laugh.
Life is meant go be led to the full, you only get ONE despite your ridiculous beliefs.
You arent debating with me.You dont reply to my points but instead,just continue attacking me personally.
So,we arent getting anywhere
Sploom:
You arent debating with me.You dont reply to my points but instead,just continue attacking me personally.
So,we arent getting anywhere
I ain’t attacking you, I’m making an observation and an opinion on you based on how you come across on here…you started all this btw.!
Dont start controversial debates if you can not handle them nor answer uncomfortable questions…read the title of YOUR OWN thread YOU started …and observe the irony of it. 
Am I right about your children’s upbringing.■■
Im not ashamed of my kids but on the other hand,they havent gave me permission to post anything about them online and I dont want to talk about your kids because its better to deal with this generally,then no one can accuse me of being judgemental or a bugit and so on.
Sploom:
Im not ashamed of my kids but on the other hand,they havent gave me permission to post anything about them online and I dont want to talk about your kids because its better to deal with this generally,then no one can accuse me of being judgemental or a bugit and so on.
Cop out.
I know you ain’t ashamed of your kids, but you should be ashamed of the way you brought them up into adult life.
When I talk about my kids on here it is about their jobs,.their families, their hobbies,.because I am proud of them, what is the harm in that,.and why tf would I need their permission.?
I am also proud of how they have turned out and how me and my wife have brought them up to be good kids.
You have obvious reservations because of the influences you have had on them, knowing it will put you in a bad light after disclosure…so don,t give me all that sh.,
Im already in a bad light on here!
But anyway,if you think marriage is restrictive,its strange how you partake in it.You could have chosen a life of going from one woman to the next with no commitments
Sploom:
Im already in a bad light on here!
But anyway,if you think marriage is restrictive,its strange how you partake in it.You could have chosen a life of going from one woman to the next with no commitments
I did not marry the first girl I met ffs.
I.was a ■■■■ resident DJ on a holiday camp at 18 years old. the world was my lobster 
…use your imagination.
Different people different girls every week staying there on the site, throughout 2 summer seasons of me being the sole resident dj ,.AND with my own chalet…do I need to draw you diagrams?? Or do you get my drift here ?
I met my wife whilst she was doing a modelling dance set on stage,.(and no, not a stripper before anybody jumps in 
) and I knew right then that she was the one for me,.and I was proven right…that is what NORMAL people do believe it or not, kiss enough frogs to they find a Princess.,.Not marry the first frog.
Also known as how I said …HUMAN NATURE, !
Not limiting yourself to some perceived ott .‘moral code’ devised in ancient times.
Where did I say that marriage is restrictive btw?
Anyhoo enough of my younger life activities., answer my points instead of deflecting the questions.
Truck stops used to have strippers , you couldn’t park because the place was rammed full and the Sun reported of some shenanigans going on at Lincoln farm cafe.
Toby…are you trying to take over the whole site with all these multi I.ds or what.
Wtf has strippers at Lincoln Farm got to do with the thread.
I made a off the cuff joking remark ffs.
Considering,both the question & answer could have been covered in less than ½ a page he’s done well to build over 30 odd pages just by repeating the same claptrap of mythological,mystical rubbish over & over.That must be how they drag you into their clutches,by wearing you down.Shame it hasn’t worked here with people that have been exposed to the 'real’world & have experienced other religions,cultures & mentalities.I wonder if he gets a ‘bonus’ for every person dragged into their clutches.Being an American cult its probably a case of ‘‘God loves you & welcomes you to his heart,as long as you can pay’’.
hutpik:
Considering,both the question & answer could have been covered in less than ½ a page he’s done well to build over 30 odd pages just by repeating the same claptrap of mythological,mystical rubbish over & over.That must be how they drag you into their clutches,by wearing you down.Shame it hasn’t worked here with people that have been exposed to the 'real’world & have experienced other religions,cultures & mentalities.I wonder if he gets a ‘bonus’ for every person dragged into their clutches.Being an American cult its probably a case of ‘‘God loves you & welcomes you to his heart,as long as you can pay’’.
He’s a tryer I’ll give him that …but he has zero chance of convincing me that ANY religion would be good for me,.and why he singled ME out I’m the first place is beyond me.
I keep humouring him but he shows his weakness everytime I ask him a question about subject matter of which he is uncomfortable with,.and which he knows will undoubtedly show up him and his particular madcap brand of Christianity in its own bigoted light.
This is why he ain’t prepared to discuss the state of mind of his kids and how he has indoctrinated them into his ways.
He’ll be having an audience with his …‘elders’ as we speak to see where he goes from here.
If he can’t finish something he shouldn’t start it…especially with me as I hang on like a rabid terrier. 
Sploom:
One of the elders summed it up very well,once,when he was talking to the young men about this.He said,you know,young guys you go to the disco,nightclub,whatever,that girl youre making out with,thats going to be someone elses wife!!
That’s just his bigoted and antiquated patriarchal assumption, she might not see herself as “someone’s wife in the future”, she might see herself as someone who just “wants fun”. But you and your Elders have insufficient empathy to appreciate that other people have different views on life. Just because others views are different to yours does not mean their views are wrong.
There’s far too much judgementalism in your belief system, which you are suggesting would only “allow” pure, chaste women to get married or have love/affection. Newsflash for your antiquated world: for the typical marriage, the groom is not likely to be the bride’s first ■■■■■■ partner. What about divorced people? They’ve already potentially had a family life with one person, then they’re embarking on a second or third marriage. It would seem like you would say a divorced woman with a kid, or kids plural, isn’t worthy of being in a stable loving relationship with a new partner, because she’d “made out” with some guy she wasn’t married to. Whether its your, or your church’s views, it’s fairly abhorrent.
By the way, your use of Americanisms are another indicator of how much control your American church has over you, Brits don’t say “making out”, nor do we say “Mom”, as you did many pages back. I’m still not at all convinced you are a middle-aged UK truck driver.
Sploom:
I was on the cpc and the trainer was bragging about his ■■■■■■ achievements and he said he went to a wedding and seen the bride standing there all in white(symbolising purity) and he was sniggering thinking,ha,Ive seen you naked,and everyone laughed but I didnt find it so funny.It was ugly,what I heard,it just wasnt a nice thing to hear
FFS… Ignoring for a moment that some will just call you a snowflake for letting that bother you , assuming that anecdote is true, that Trainer is just a juvenile ■■■■■■, he’s the type who probably sniggers if you say “social ■■■■■■■■■■■”. And don’t think that just because others laughed means that they don’t also think he’s a ■■■■■■.
Any course should have a feedback form where you can say what you think about your experience (JAUPT/DVSA requirement) including your opinion on his “professionalism”, or rather “lack of” in this case. There’s some easy “blokey” conversational options you could have used to take him down a peg, but you’d need a better grip on real-life interactions to do that.
Sploom:
You arent debating with me.You dont reply to my points
I notice you don’t reply to my points, even when I answered your moon landing question…
Zac_A.
It was locker room talk,no way would I put on the feedback ,I just used it as an example of the cheap talk you hear every day