A religion question for Robroy,but will he give me a straigh

OUT OF HOURS BULLY'S TRUCKSTOP BAR (INTERACTIVE)
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Note the last line,many will turn away from the faith and thats happening now.The UK is becoming an atheist country,but thats predicted in the Bible.
It wont be easy for us,but Im bracing myself for the persecutiin that is to come.
John
15:18-27
18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

This is what we tell those who want to become Christians.They crucified Jesus and they will hate you for being a Christian.

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:unamused: Back to default mode then eh? :unamused:

Nah mate, if you want to have a normal conversation about dwindling numbers in churches, you will need to clarify what relavance to the subject those two posts of pure meaningless guff have on the subject, in order for me to carry on the debate…All I see are words and random religious based quotes…sorry. :unamused:

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I was just making the point that the decline in church attendance is something we expect because the Bible predicts it.
Line 10 .
Many will turn away from the faith.
And that we believe that Satan is at work in this workd,through the media attacking Christians.Im always being accused of brainwashing but this is what the media does on a much bigger scale.The basic family model of man and woman joined in marriage and children is being attacked.

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Sploom:
I was just making the point that the decline in church attendance is something we expect because the Bible predicts it.
Line 10 .
Many will turn away from the faith.
And that we believe that Satan is at work in this workd,through the media attacking Christians.Im always being accused of brainwashing but this is what the media does on a much bigger scale.The basic family model of man and woman joined in marriage and children is being attacked.

It was hardly a revelation though was it.
Stuff in the Bible was written in the context of the ancient age it was written in, of course people’s attitudes change through the ages.
Modern people do not believe everything they are told they are not as naive and gullible as they were in bygone tines, so they form their own opinions and interpretations…well the majority do anyway.

It’s a bit like saying people in the Stone age predicted that in the future they would not be using stone axes in modern times.
You are accused of brainwashing because normal people see your type if religion as just that.

And what do you mean by ‘attacked’ exactly?
Couples just make their own minds up about marriage,.and kids, it is nothing to do with ‘attacking’ the concept. :unamused:

Nobody especially me has anything against Christians, my problem is only with those who try and manipulate people into their way of thinking, ie the primary stage if brainwashing.
People are only 'brainwashed ’ when they succumb to it all and believe it all, rather than resist it.

Anyway we are getting off the subject, …People do not go to church anymore because they either have too much going on in their busy lives, have priorities ,or just decide (as I did ) that it was all a complete load of primitive tosh.(after being made to attend as a kid.)

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My daughter wont go to church with me.I wish she would but thats the way it goes.I dont treat her any different because of it.We hardly ever talk about the subject.She knows Im a bit eccentric anyway,as youve probably noticed,lol.
But I always hope and pray she will eventually be saved,and everyone be saved.Thats what I hope for.
Brainwashing isnt in the Christian belief system.God doesnt want anyone forced into a relationship with Him.It has to be their choice.

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Out of interest Sploomy - how old is your daughter??
And also does your wife go to/endure Church with you ■■

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Sploom:
But I always hope and pray she will eventually be saved,and everyone be saved.Thats what I hope for.

Dear TruckNet, my Dad posts on your forum, I’m very worried about his mental state, apparently he thinks I’m going to “hell” because I don’t buy into his delusions. Is this a “truck driver thing” or are some of you guys “normal”? If any of you are normal, is there anything you can do to help him?
TIA
Ms Sploom

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Dear Sploom’s Daughter.

Please don’t worry about us, just look after your Dad as he obviously has had psychological problems from a young age.
His apparent rantings & bible quotes give him feelings of power & ecstasy that he never had before he swallowed the Southern USA Baptist Snake Oil religion. Does he consume large quantities of mushrooms or psychedelics?

However:

We know for certain that the modern version of Christianity, with its cherry-picked gospels, is an incomplete picture of the religion that formed in the first centuries AD. How different was that religion? Could it be that the whole of the new testament is a metaphorical facade for something completely different?

John Marco Allegro, the author of The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross, argued that Christianity was actually an Amanita muscaria-consuming mushroom cult and that Jesus didn’t exist and his role in the story of the Bible is to act as a coded symbol for the mushroom.

This wild idea didn’t come from the mind of an uninformed individual. Allegro was a leading scholar of ancient languages and was part of the team that deciphered the dead sea scrolls. Allegro’s claims haven’t stood up well to scrutiny, however. It still seems far fetched that the figure of Jesus was actually just a symbol for a mushroom sacrament.

While the forbidden fruit may indeed be a reference to naturally occurring entheogens and the use of cannabis amongst ancient Hebrews seems to now be a certainty, the idea that the Hebrew Bible is the scripture of a religion that seriously employed psychedelic sacraments doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.

The idea of Jesus as a medicine man who democratized entheogenic sacraments, however, is well within the realms of possibility.

We’ll most likely never know the true extent of psychedelic use in ancient Judaism and Christianity, as any positional use is shrouded in the mists of time. We may want to ask why we’re looking for psychedelics in the Bible in the first place.

If psychedelic are to play a role in the future of religion, citing a respectable tradition can go a long way in fighting the PR battle against the layers of cultural conditioning that have formed against plant medicine. We don’t need to be so directly tied to the past.

We might envision a truly forward-facing psychedelic religious reformation instead, one that doesn’t depend on whether or not Jesus was a mushroom.

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A bit more for you, Sploom’s daughter to help you understand him.

From the Guardian:- Moses saw God ‘because he was stoned - again’

The Bible tells us that when the Children of Israel left Egypt, they had a 40-year trip through the desert before reaching the Promised Land. Now a leading Israeli academic has a new theory about exactly what kind of trip it was.

In the philosophy journal Time and Mind, Benny Shanon states that key events of the Old Testament are actually records of visions by ancient Israelites high on hallucinogens. Shanon is a professor at Jerusalem’s Hebrew University, where he used to head the psychology department.

The psychedelic substance is a drink called Ayahuasca. It is extracted from plants that grow in the Holy Land and in the Sinai peninsula and is still used today by Amazonians in Brazil for their religious rituals. Shanon came up with his theory when reading the Bible. The events described reminded him of the visions he had after trying this drink 15 years ago. So, when Moses first encountered God, he was high. “Encountering the divine is one of the most powerful experiences associated with high-level Ayahuasca inebriation,” claims Shanon.

At the Burning Bush, covered in flames but mysteriously not consumed, there was no miracle, just a drug-induced “radical alteration in the state of consciousness of the beholder - that is, Moses”. The account of the Children of Israel hearing God while camped at Mount Sinai is about a mass drug-taking event - giving a whole new explanation for the reported “cloud of smoke” that settled on the mountain. And when Moses climbed Sinai and received the Ten Commandments and the Bible, he was tripping.

Hardly an incident in the Bible is spared Shanon’s drug-focused reading. Acacia trees, used by Noah to build the ark, were revered because some varieties contain the psychedelic substance dimethyltryptamine (DMT). In Shanon’s opinion, the Tree of Knowledge in the Garden of Eden offered something far more tempting than an apple.

Rabbis in Israel and the UK are largely ignoring Shanon’s theories, and those who have spoken out have been dismissive. “The Bible is trying to convey a very profound event. We have to fear not for the fate of the biblical Moses, but for the fate of science,” Rabbi Yuval Sherlow told Israel Radio. Israeli internet chatrooms, though, are buzzing with condemnations of “heresy”, endorsements, and charges that Shanon, not Moses, must have taken drugs. One poster writes: “Maybe it is true - then religion really is the opiate of the people.”

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whisperingsmith:
Out of interest Sploomy - how old is your daughter??
And also does your wife go to/endure Church with you ■■
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Cant answer those questions too much hostility towards me on this forum for me to want to share any more info]

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Zac_A:

Sploom:
But I always hope and pray she will eventually be saved,and everyone be saved.Thats what I hope for.

Dear TruckNet, my Dad posts on your forum, I’m very worried about his mental state, apparently he thinks I’m going to “hell” because I don’t buy into his delusions. Is this a “truck driver thing” or are some of you guys “normal”? If any of you are normal, is there anything you can do to help him?
TIA
Ms Sploom

No,she isnt a grade A blasphemer like you

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> Sploom:
> > whisperingsmith:
> > Out of interest Sploomy - how old is your daughter??
> > And also does your wife go to/endure Church with you ■■
> > [/quote
> > Cant answer those questions too much hostility towards me on this forum for me to want to share any more info]

So from that we can surmise that your daughter is old enough to tell you to P O and stop trying to brainwash her and your wife has had enough and gone on her way to better pastures.

EDIT: I escaped from the Baptists when I was 16 going on 17

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Sploom:

Zac_A:

Sploom:
But I always hope and pray she will eventually be saved,and everyone be saved.Thats what I hope for.

Dear TruckNet, my Dad posts on your forum, I’m very worried about his mental state, apparently he thinks I’m going to “hell” because I don’t buy into his delusions. Is this a “truck driver thing” or are some of you guys “normal”? If any of you are normal, is there anything you can do to help him?
TIA
Ms Sploom

No,she isnt a grade A blasphemer like you

I would have to be a Christian for my non-belief in your IFITS to be blasphemous, I’m not, so it isn’t. And if being rational, scientific and enlightened makes me a blasphemer, I’ll proudly wear that epithet.

BTW, that piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah… :laughing:
youtu.be/wciENFKUelY

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Zac_A:
BTW, that piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah… :laughing:
youtu.be/wciENFKUelY

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> Sploom:
> Cant answer those questions too much hostility towards me on this forum for me to want to share any more info

There is no hostility to you Sploomy, most of us are actually concerned about your mental well being and trying to help.

When you can’t retreat into your bible to answer questions you don’t understand, it is not because of our hostility, more it is those that seek to use you under their Banner Of ‘USA Baptist Snake Oil Christianity’

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BTW, that piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah… :laughing:
youtu.be/wciENFKUelY

Haha,thats funny

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Once upon a time, we used to drive our trucks along the roads that they talk about in the Bible.
On the road from Antioch to Damascus or from the Red Sea north, etc. etc.

We learn’t about the biblical lands first hand - and you ■■

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It would be a much better planet to live on - if we were all religious just as we are all political these days.

How many people out there proclaim “I’m not religious” because they don’t want the stick that OP has been getting on this thread, for example?

Not all believers - have this calling to “Evangelize”. I could offer up myself as a good example here.

I have enough trouble tuning my mouth to the wavelength of the human ear, without trying to “Preach” on top!

My beliefs are mine alone. I don’t expect others to share them, and I lack the charisma to ever consider ramming them down the throats of others.

My mrs is Right of me politically, and my kid is Left of both of us.
We all share the same faith though, which is that Organized Religion is through unless they start preaching of St John the Divine rather than Saul of Tarsus - and soon!

That would make the closest denomination to the lifestyle we currently live - “Jehovah’s Witnesses” in fact, despite none of us having gone to a “Kingdom Hall” or picked up a “Watchtower” in our lives!

Again, the moment you try to “Evangelize” - people’s eyes and ears just glaze over, and you’re wasting valuable time attending to your own immediate communities…

I reckon we’d make someone a damned good neighbor to have, but alas the new oaf that’s moved in next door with his boozy ways, flash motor, and immediately sets to rebuilding the place he’s just bought without so much as having a quick word with the new neighbors first - has them off to a permanent wrong-foot with me. :imp:
Still, that’s one less person to waste time giving the “Good News” to eh? :smiling_imp:

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Not sure where to post this - I guess this is as good as any thread:

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Yes,they will give you stick.There are people this forum would have me hung,drawn and quartered if they could,Im sure,because I proclaimed the good news but its only good news if you believe.One of the elders told me there is no middle ground with God.You are either running towards Him or running away.You either love Him or hate Him.
I dont agree with the JW religion.I am only here because of a blood transfuson.Also,they dont believe in Hell.Now,I dont like the idea of the unsaved suffering eternal torments but as soon as you believe in a good God,you have to accept Hell.God has to be just and He must punish sinners and because you sinned against an infinitly good God,the punishment must be infinitly bad too