£327 tramping 6 days

Hey, i’m back. Enjoying the sunshine. Reading your drivel, i really am starting to wonder how we sad old brits managed before you and your countrymen all showed up.

Just thought you might like this, it seems the spanish government don’t share your views on brits buying houses down here. I’ve searched for something from the british government making a similar appeal to the polish nation, but no success yet.

telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne … eturn.html

Oh, and by the way you pay a separate water bill down here (12 months not 3), nothing to do with government or taxes. So that’s another one we can cross off the list.

ex haulier, i’ve given up over the last couple of months trying to argue over so many things, just let them get on with it is much easier :smiley:
regardless of peoples views on immigrants there’s plenty on trucknet who haven’t been affected by their influx so can’t see the problem, there’s also plenty who are so blinkered they don’t realise there’s a world past dover and there are other places to live and work. chill out and enjoy your 3 months holidays every year while the rest of us have to work for 10 months a year :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue:

Spanish property scammers! ■■■■ Spain! Brits have been buying in Bulgaria and Turkey! Cheaper and similar climate! :wink:

dessy:
Spanish property scammers! [zb] Spain! Brits have been buying in Bulgaria and Turkey! Cheaper and similar climate! :wink:

only drawbacks turkey not in the EU so less legal safety for brits and i personally wouldn’t trust a bulgarian or romanian.
are you speaking from personal experience on the proprty scam? the amount of brits who buy a property but don’t get a legal survey done is unbelievable :open_mouth: yet they wouldn’t buy a house in the UK without a survey :unamused:

welshboyinspain:

dessy:
Spanish property scammers! [zb] Spain! Brits have been buying in Bulgaria and Turkey! Cheaper and similar climate! :wink:

only drawbacks turkey not in the EU so less legal safety for brits and i personally wouldn’t trust a bulgarian or romanian.
are you speaking from personal experience on the proprty scam? the amount of brits who buy a property but don’t get a legal survey done is unbelievable :open_mouth: yet they wouldn’t buy a house in the UK without a survey :unamused:

Now you’ve hit the nail on the head! Brits in Spain lost their Brain! Must be the Sun down there! :laughing:
No I haven’t but have been doing some research into possibly doing so! :wink:

Hombre:
If you arent resident in UK then you wont be on the voters roll so cannot vote -

You can register to vote provided you’ve not been resident outside of the UK for over 15 years.

well save yourself from being ripped off and DO NOT use a british person pretending to be an estate agent, pay for a decent gestoria to look after all the paperwork and get a survey done.
if you’re going to buy somewhere the seller doesn’t pay the estate agent, they tell them how much they want for their property and the estate agent puts it up for more, the difference goes to the estate agent.
quite a lot of buyers think they’re getting a good deal until they find out how much the property is worth because they didn’t get a survey done (by the bank)
2 bits of advice would be try to learn spanish or trust the gestoria who speaks it and NEVER, EVER buy a bar unless you have owned a pub in the UK and know what you are doing :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

dessy:

welshboyinspain:

dessy:
Spanish property scammers! [zb] Spain! Brits have been buying in Bulgaria and Turkey! Cheaper and similar climate! :wink:

only drawbacks turkey not in the EU so less legal safety for brits and i personally wouldn’t trust a bulgarian or romanian.
are you speaking from personal experience on the proprty scam? the amount of brits who buy a property but don’t get a legal survey done is unbelievable :open_mouth: yet they wouldn’t buy a house in the UK without a survey :unamused:

Now you’ve hit the nail on the head! Brits in Spain lost their Brain! Must be the Sun down there! :laughing:
No I haven’t but have been doing some research into possibly doing so! :wink:

There will come a time when the exchange rate sorts itself out and brits will all head straight back to spain. It’s the winter weather as much as the summer, and the people and the country generally.

You ask most people with first hand experience wether they would invest money in turkey or bulgaria. One word answer, no.

welshboyinspain:
ex haulier, i’ve given up over the last couple of months trying to argue over so many things, just let them get on with it is much easier :smiley:
regardless of peoples views on immigrants there’s plenty on trucknet who haven’t been affected by their influx so can’t see the problem, there’s also plenty who are so blinkered they don’t realise there’s a world past dover and there are other places to live and work. chill out and enjoy your 3 months holidays every year while the rest of us have to work for 10 months a year :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue:

Your spot of course. I know i shouldn’t argue with them but i can’t help myself.

Ex Haulier:
Hey, i’m back. Enjoying the sunshine.

Haha, me too, although it’s in Glasgow. Beautiful day, and not too hot - just like I like it :slight_smile: So I’ve been out on the bicycle :slight_smile:

Reading your drivel, i really am starting to wonder how we sad old brits managed before you and your countrymen all showed up.

Yeah, as I wrote before, I wonder too. Judging from the amoung of imigrants you always needed (Jamaican, India, now Eastern Europe) the answers is propably “not too well” :slight_smile:

As for the article: I saw very similar article in a Polish weekly “Polityka” (it’s paid access on line) where they were writing exactly the same about the changing rules as there risk of having your house demolished, somehow the picture was slighlty different than the one you showing: it was saying that Spanish goverment do not want to put FOREIGN (not: British and British only, but Foreign in general, and that, believe or not, includes Poles as well) investors off, then there was information that British is the largest group of foreign investors.

I just re-readed your article and it says exactly the same, except that this is British paper, so they don’t give a ■■■■ about any non-British person. I will try to translate it to you:
“which has led to some British home owners being ordered to knock down their properties” = “Britons were among them who had their homes ordered to knock down”

"“The British are our highest priority and are those about whom we are most concerned,” Mrs Corredor told The Sunday Telegraph. (no wonder, Britons are about 30% of the foreign investors) “It is true that there has been… an image problem. Now we want to reassure the British, and all foreigners, that we are doing everything possible to put the details clearly on the table.”

I will then tell you how the Public Relation works.

If the British journalist asks the Spanish goverment official, he will hear things like ““The British are our highest priority and are those about whom we are most concerned”. The Polish journalist asking the same question will hear “Poland is one of our important partners, so we are concerned about Polish investors as we see your country growing to be sixth economy in Europe and hope for further investments”. The Burkina Faso journalist will hear “The ties between our countries are not to close, therefore Burkina Fasost (?) investing in Spain are in the group we are most concerned about”.

Therefore if you read in British Newspapers that Spanish goverment official told British journalist welcomes Britons, it does not mean that it welcomes Britons only :slight_smile:

Just thought you might like this, it seems the spanish government don’t share your views on brits buying houses down here. (…)
telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne … eturn.html

Well, you provided article from British press, no wonder, as for Spanish press Britons are marginal issue, such as Poles for British press. So I will provide some links from Polish press to you, just few random ones from google:
gazetapraca.pl/gazetapraca/1,67734,5073027.html

Some more interesting bits:

  • British farmers are afraid that there will be noone to work for them, as Poles go home
  • Unite’s secretary on farming: “Poles were keeping the British food industry alive because they were willing to work for low wages offered in that sector”. (note, I am not sure if I translated it correctly in English, it does not mean that they were ready to work for less, but that nobody else was willing for what the industry can pay)
  • Poles are no longer interested as over last year wages in Poland have risen by 12.8%. (it’s old, from 2008, now it’s even better)

emito.net/wiadomosci/gospoda … 98815.html
British minister says “Polish had a very big positve impact into British economy” (…) “Their involvement is getting more mature, they already started 40 000 companies”.

bham.pl/aktualnosci/352-powroty- … gospodarke
“Mass returns of Poles can ruin British economy” - writes The Daily Telegraph.
“Poles generates almost 2 bilion of pounds every year for the British economy”
Minister for Immigration described fall in applications of the imigrants from the 8 states of the Eastern Europe (that Poland, Hungary, Lithuania etc) as “dramatic”.

Oh, and by the way you pay a separate water bill down here (12 months not 3), nothing to do with government or taxes. So that’s another one we can cross off the list.

Oh, so it’s exactly as it is in Scotland where you pay for water in your council tax, even if you are away for weeks. It’s also like in Poland, where you have to pay for being connected to the water network (and gas network, and power network, for that matter) even if you don’t use any water (or gas, or electricity).

welshboyinspain:
ex haulier, i’ve given up over the last couple of months trying to argue over so many things, just let them get on with it is much easier :smiley:
regardless of peoples views on immigrants there’s plenty on trucknet who haven’t been affected by their influx so can’t see the problem, there’s also plenty who are so blinkered they don’t realise there’s a world past dover and there are other places to live and work. chill out and enjoy your 3 months holidays every year while the rest of us have to work for 10 months a year :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue:

And there are these, who don’t realise that part of this word beyond Dover is the people, who know that there are other places to live and work, and one of that places for them is Britain :wink:

its not the ex-pats i was refering to,it was ex-haulier as he was slagging someone off for claiming what he is ENTITLED to .ex pats move to a country and set up home,its their life…ex-haulier is the one thats came on here argueing,causing trouble and giving his opinion on someone elses life.no-problem with anyone posting on here from anywhere in the world…just slag the goverment off for giving out rather than the person for claiming what he is entitled to

orys:

Ex Haulier:
Hey, i’m back. Enjoying the sunshine.

Haha, me too, although it’s in Glasgow. Beautiful day, and not too hot - just like I like it :slight_smile: So I’ve been out on the bicycle :slight_smile:

Reading your drivel, i really am starting to wonder how we sad old brits managed before you and your countrymen all showed up.

Yeah, as I wrote before, I wonder too. Judging from the amoung of imigrants you always needed (Jamaican, India, now Eastern Europe) the answers is propably “not too well” :slight_smile:

As for the article: I saw very similar article in a Polish weekly “Polityka” (it’s paid access on line) where they were writing exactly the same about the changing rules as there risk of having your house demolished, somehow the picture was slighlty different than the one you showing: it was saying that Spanish goverment do not want to put FOREIGN (not: British and British only, but Foreign in general, and that, believe or not, includes Poles as well) investors off, then there was information that British is the largest group of foreign investors.

I just re-readed your article and it says exactly the same, except that this is British paper, so they don’t give a [zb] about any non-British person. I will try to translate it to you:
“which has led to some British home owners being ordered to knock down their properties” = “Britons were among them who had their homes ordered to knock down”

"“The British are our highest priority and are those about whom we are most concerned,” Mrs Corredor told The Sunday Telegraph. (no wonder, Britons are about 30% of the foreign investors) “It is true that there has been… an image problem. Now we want to reassure the British, and all foreigners, that we are doing everything possible to put the details clearly on the table.”

I will then tell you how the Public Relation works.

If the British journalist asks the Spanish goverment official, he will hear things like ““The British are our highest priority and are those about whom we are most concerned”. The Polish journalist asking the same question will hear “Poland is one of our important partners, so we are concerned about Polish investors as we see your country growing to be sixth economy in Europe and hope for further investments”. The Burkina Faso journalist will hear “The ties between our countries are not to close, therefore Burkina Fasost (?) investing in Spain are in the group we are most concerned about”.

Therefore if you read in British Newspapers that Spanish goverment official told British journalist welcomes Britons, it does not mean that it welcomes Britons only :slight_smile:

Just thought you might like this, it seems the spanish government don’t share your views on brits buying houses down here. (…)
telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne … eturn.html

Well, you provided article from British press, no wonder, as for Spanish press Britons are marginal issue, such as Poles for British press. So I will provide some links from Polish press to you, just few random ones from google:
gazetapraca.pl/gazetapraca/1,67734,5073027.html

Some more interesting bits:

  • British farmers are afraid that there will be noone to work for them, as Poles go home
  • Unite’s secretary on farming: “Poles were keeping the British food industry alive because they were willing to work for low wages offered in that sector”. (note, I am not sure if I translated it correctly in English, it does not mean that they were ready to work for less, but that nobody else was willing for what the industry can pay)
  • Poles are no longer interested as over last year wages in Poland have risen by 12.8%. (it’s old, from 2008, now it’s even better)

emito.net/wiadomosci/gospoda … 98815.html
British minister says “Polish had a very big positve impact into British economy” (…) “Their involvement is getting more mature, they already started 40 000 companies”.

bham.pl/aktualnosci/352-powroty- … gospodarke
“Mass returns of Poles can ruin British economy” - writes The Daily Telegraph.
“Poles generates almost 2 bilion of pounds every year for the British economy”
Minister for Immigration described fall in applications of the imigrants from the 8 states of the Eastern Europe (that Poland, Hungary, Lithuania etc) as “dramatic”.

Oh, and by the way you pay a separate water bill down here (12 months not 3), nothing to do with government or taxes. So that’s another one we can cross off the list.

Oh, so it’s exactly as it is in Scotland where you pay for water in your council tax, even if you are away for weeks. It’s also like in Poland, where you have to pay for being connected to the water network (and gas network, and power network, for that matter) even if you don’t use any water (or gas, or electricity).

welshboyinspain:
ex haulier, i’ve given up over the last couple of months trying to argue over so many things, just let them get on with it is much easier :smiley:
regardless of peoples views on immigrants there’s plenty on trucknet who haven’t been affected by their influx so can’t see the problem, there’s also plenty who are so blinkered they don’t realise there’s a world past dover and there are other places to live and work. chill out and enjoy your 3 months holidays every year while the rest of us have to work for 10 months a year :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue:

And there are these, who don’t realise that part of this word beyond Dover is the people, who know that there are other places to live and work, and one of that places for them is Britain :wink:

Anyone any idea what he’s on about ■■?. No me neither.

clarkyboy:
its not the ex-pats i was refering to,it was ex-haulier as he was slagging someone off for claiming what he is ENTITLED to .ex pats move to a country and set up home,its their life…ex-haulier is the one thats came on here argueing,causing trouble and giving his opinion on someone elses life.no-problem with anyone posting on here from anywhere in the world…just slag the goverment off for giving out rather than the person for claiming what he is entitled to

Yeah, go on mate. You get what your entitled to. Just make the best of it, you may find it don’t go on for ever.

Ex Haulier:
Anyone any idea what he’s on about ■■?. No me neither.

Yeah, reading with understanding is becoming a rarity nowadays.

I put it for you in simple words:

  1. You no work in spain, you no pay tax in Spain, only local, but you no use only local services.
    Welshboy in Spain work in spain, he pais tax there, so he is like Poles in UK. Simplies.

  2. You quoted British article in press, which says Spaniards wants Britons. Off course, they say it when British journalist asks :wink: I would be surprised if you quoted article from British press which was about something that has nothing to do with Britain or Britons :wink:

All house buyers are welcome to Spain, not only British ones.

  1. How Britons managed before influx of Eastern European migrant workers? Poor. That’s why they got earlier vawes of immigration - Indian people, Jamaican people etc.

  2. Then I gave you examples of press articles on how Poles are valued by the British goverment and how much profit they bring to the British economy.

Actually, there is no point to writing it allover again. You just have no arguments, and you can’t admit that I am right in something, so you just evading further discussion but trying to make impression that it’s impossible to understand my writing :wink:

I think we can finish that discussion here, you will stick to your views anyway, facts not really bother you :wink:

I had given all information to show where you are wrong. Let’s leave other readers (if there is still someone reading that after all this pages) to draw their own conclusions. Thank you for nice conversation, I learned something and I know you learned something too, only you are too stubborn to admit it :slight_smile:

Ex Haulier:

clarkyboy:
its not the ex-pats i was refering to,it was ex-haulier as he was slagging someone off for claiming what he is ENTITLED to .ex pats move to a country and set up home,its their life…ex-haulier is the one thats came on here argueing,causing trouble and giving his opinion on someone elses life.no-problem with anyone posting on here from anywhere in the world…just slag the goverment off for giving out rather than the person for claiming what he is entitled to

Yeah, go on mate. You get what your entitled to. Just make the best of it, you may find it don’t go on for ever.

Give it a rest :unamused: :unamused: :unamused:

orys:

Ex Haulier:
Anyone any idea what he’s on about ■■?. No me neither.

Yeah, reading with understanding is becoming a rarity nowadays.

I put it for you in simple words:

  1. You no work in spain, you no pay tax in Spain, only local, but you no use only local services.
    Welshboy in Spain work in spain, he pais tax there, so he is like Poles in UK. Simplies.

  2. You quoted British article in press, which says Spaniards wants Britons. Off course, they say it when British journalist asks :wink: I would be surprised if you quoted article from British press which was about something that has nothing to do with Britain or Britons :wink:

All house buyers are welcome to Spain, not only British ones.

  1. How Britons managed before influx of Eastern European migrant workers? Poor. That’s why they got earlier vawes of immigration - Indian people, Jamaican people etc.

  2. Then I gave you examples of press articles on how Poles are valued by the British goverment and how much profit they bring to the British economy.

Actually, there is no point to writing it allover again. You just have no arguments, and you can’t admit that I am right in something, so you just evading further discussion but trying to make impression that it’s impossible to understand my writing :wink:

I think we can finish that discussion here, you will stick to your views anyway, facts not really bother you :wink:

I had given all information to show where you are wrong. Let’s leave other readers (if there is still someone reading that after all this pages) to draw their own conclusions. Thank you for nice conversation, I learned something and I know you learned something too, only you are too stubborn to admit it :slight_smile:

So, you pay polish income tax ?. Or you just don’t go back there ?.

tyler4164:

Ex Haulier:

clarkyboy:
its not the ex-pats i was refering to,it was ex-haulier as he was slagging someone off for claiming what he is ENTITLED to .ex pats move to a country and set up home,its their life…ex-haulier is the one thats came on here argueing,causing trouble and giving his opinion on someone elses life.no-problem with anyone posting on here from anywhere in the world…just slag the goverment off for giving out rather than the person for claiming what he is entitled to

Yeah, go on mate. You get what your entitled to. Just make the best of it, you may find it don’t go on for ever.

Give it a rest :unamused: :unamused: :unamused:

Yeah, no problem mate. When you stop sponging of the rest of us.

At least we`ve managed to stay on topic :laughing:

Orys-1, Ex Haulier-0
:sunglasses:

In my opinion, of course :wink: