Scounger was perhaps the wrong word, parasite would have been better. Don’t you see the madness of you handing over tax and NI and then getting a wedge back ?. The problem with the whole thing is it distorts the market. Where is your incentive to better yourself or work harder if you end up with the same money doing a crap job as a bloke who puts himself out to find a good job. Why should your boss have his wage bill cut because he knows the taxpayer will top up your wages. What happens is that what your paid then becomes the norm and drags everybodys wages down.
Ex Haulier:
Scounger was perhaps the wrong word, parasite would have been better. Don’t you see the madness of you handing over tax and NI and then getting a wedge back ?. The problem with the whole thing is it distorts the market. Where is your incentive to better yourself or work harder if you end up with the same money doing a crap job as a bloke who puts himself out to find a good job. Why should your boss have his wage bill cut because he knows the taxpayer will top up your wages. What happens is that what your paid then becomes the norm and drags everybodys wages down.
So because i have not been able to find myself a high paid job im a parasite,■■ 
The wage people earn does not mean they don’t work hard or have no incentive to better themselves. You are no better then me just because you earn more!!
When i first passed my class c & c+e back in 2006 i was living in south west london. I contacted around 40 different companies trying to get a start & after a while landed myself a job mon-fri doing airport work. 8.5hrs per day & i was on £25.000 a yr basic. Living in bristol i’ve been earning less but working harder to get a wage so your talking crap mate. I can hold my head up high as i work to feed my family.
Yeah, i work hard pay my taxes and help feed your family as well.
Ex Haulier:
Yeah, i work hard pay my taxes and help feed your family as well.
Is a bit of a misconception created by government and the media ,
I bet the majority of the income tax and NIc’s funds goes on paying for the luxury lifestyles that the top politicians lead, and for bombing the(zb) out of any country it can on the say so of the usa, not to mention invading some countries too, and for what? more recently there’s Libya how many millions/billions is that costing this skint country , they soon find the dosh for that , and the olympics & lord(zb) coe another waste of tax payers money,
The total bill for benefits is a drop in the ocean compared to the cost of those other things, and yeas if the tossers in government expect us ro compete with the talliban for jobs in the uk then they will have to help us do that, after all they have helped create the current problem of low paying companies by allowing the levels of migrants to enter and work here, not to mention the illegals who also are taking jobs &and by being slaves and working for less than we can afford to are keeping the wages low
IMO it’s the cost of living that has spiraled out of control needs to be reduced drastically so then no need for big wages, the value of money is getting less & less , All this nonsense about owning houses worth silly amounts of money , ffs a house is for living in, somewhere to put all your possessions ,somewhere to sleep ect, it shouldn’t be something that seems for many to be an obsession, and for others to only dream about due to horrendous prices,
Ex Haulier:
Yeah, i work hard pay my taxes and help feed your family as well.
Dont keep making out your better then me mate coz you aint 
People in all areas of employment have been claiming tax credits for yrs before i started & my tax etc helped pay towards that…do i care??
Would rather help people who are prepared to get off their ■■■ & work then those who stay on the dole.
hey ex haulier you ■■■■ of to spain for a quarter of the year so you probably contribute less than tyler to the goverment
clarkyboy:
hey ex haulier you ■■■■ of to spain for a quarter of the year so you probably contribute less than tyler to the goverment
The difference is, i pay for it myself and don’t expect anyone else to chip in so i can do what i chuffing want.
clarkyboy:
hey ex haulier you ■■■■ of to spain for a quarter of the year so you probably contribute less than tyler to the goverment
…and milking their system 
orys:
clarkyboy:
hey ex haulier you ■■■■ of to spain for a quarter of the year so you probably contribute less than tyler to the goverment…and milking their system
Sorry mate. It’s only a certain sort of migrant that milks other countries system !.
Ex Haulier:
orys:
clarkyboy:
hey ex haulier you ■■■■ of to spain for a quarter of the year so you probably contribute less than tyler to the goverment…and milking their system
Sorry mate. It’s only a certain sort of migrant that milks other countries system !.
Ah, so you work there, pay your taxes, have your car registered there and everything?
Or you just sit there, but if you need anything, you go to Britain - to see a doctor for example…
so ex haulier is happy to go to spain when the jobs front is tough,pays nothing onto the system then comes home and takes a job that pays better money than the ones who have rode the storm for 3 months,whilst here he will visit doctors,dentists etc preparing himself for his next 3 month tax paying holiday…parasite
I think your getting a bit confused. I live and work here, i pay taxes here so if i wanted to see a doctor here i can. I keep a house in Spain, if i take my car down there, there is no requirment to register it there if it’s only there for three months. I have private medical insurance that i have never needed to use and i go to the dentist in Spain which i pay for. I contribute in both countries, i sponge off no one.
Ex Haulier:
I think your getting a bit confused. I live and work here, i pay taxes here so if i wanted to see a doctor here i can. I keep a house in Spain, if i take my car down there, there is no requirment to register it there if it’s only there for three months. I have private medical insurance that i have never needed to use and i go to the dentist in Spain which i pay for. I contribute in both countries, i sponge off no one.
So what do you expect■■?
Not everyone can land themselves with a great paying job so rather then sit on their ■■■ they take a lower paying job but that seems to be wrong too.
Lets think about it…
1, turn down job after job after job due to crap wages & claim dole money = wrong as i’d be a scrounger!!!
2, take lower paid job but get family tax credits to make my life easier = wrong as i’d be a parasite!!!
3, take lower paid job & no benefits & get into financial difficulty = I have no incentive to better myself!!!
4, Do nothing = waste of space
Like i’ve said before just because i claim family tax credits doesn’t mean i don’t work hard or have lowered myself.
tyler4164:
Ex Haulier:
I think your getting a bit confused. I live and work here, i pay taxes here so if i wanted to see a doctor here i can. I keep a house in Spain, if i take my car down there, there is no requirment to register it there if it’s only there for three months. I have private medical insurance that i have never needed to use and i go to the dentist in Spain which i pay for. I contribute in both countries, i sponge off no one.So what do you expect■■?
Not everyone can land themselves with a great paying job so rather then sit on their ■■■ they take a lower paying job but that seems to be wrong too.
Lets think about it…
1, turn down job after job after job due to crap wages & claim dole money = wrong as i’d be a scrounger!!!
2, take lower paid job but get family tax credits to make my life easier = wrong as i’d be a parasite!!!
3, take lower paid job & no benefits & get into financial difficulty = I have no incentive to better myself!!!
4, Do nothing = waste of spaceLike i’ve said before just because i claim family tax credits doesn’t mean i don’t work hard or have lowered myself.
just ignore it tyler,youll learn on here if you say A theyll say B, 
,your entitled to it so take it,i have and would if i couldagain
The problem here is that, wages are so crap here for drivers and drivers only have themselves to blame really.
We have too many people on a very small island and a government that still thinks we have the British Empire and that we have to keep throwing money (our money) into international projects and situations, wars, aid etc etc.to maintain the charade of ‘Great Britain’, Good Old Blighty’…stiff upper lip etc etc. The politicians and very rich remain so as they are using our money, not theirs to fund all their crazy projects and to maintain an illusion of the UK as a wealthy, First World nation.
In the UK, bankers are paid millions when they get it wrong and even more millions when they don’t (rare) ‘because the country needs them’.
Well the country needs LGV drivers too but erm, LGV drivers do not earn very much in comparison. I’ll bet half of Eddie’s drivers don’t earn the same as 1 top banker does… The UK’s LGV drivers could have the country on it’s knees in a matter of days- and prepared to pay anything to re-establish logistics if drivers grew balls and stuck together. Drivers won’t though… We are under valued and under paid and, sad to say, always will be…
hiya…i’ve got a mate who drives a fork truck…if he works over for 3 hours he gets paid for four
that amounts to £208 per night just the over time…i can’t belive how little you drivers are paid
nowadays. in 1988 i worked a sunday that was double time (15 hours garranteed) with double
night out and double meal money…£220 for a sunday …somethings going wrong in my book,
am i glad to be out of it now.
John
Ex Haulier:
I think your getting a bit confused. I live and work here, i pay taxes here so if i wanted to see a doctor here i can. I keep a house in Spain, if i take my car down there, there is no requirment to register it there if it’s only there for three months. I have private medical insurance that i have never needed to use and i go to the dentist in Spain which i pay for. I contribute in both countries, i sponge off no one.
Well, I am a bit confused because your situation in Spain is perfectly the same as mine in UK, and 95% of Poles in Britain I know. Yet in one of the many “anti-polish” threads some time ago you were expressing your views on that and, to shorten it in polite way, you weren’t too happy about Poles living in UK…
So how it is with you? Is it just that it’s OK for Britons to choose their life in another country, but it is not OK for Poles?
Did you come and buy a house here for cash ?. I haven’t gone to Spain and offered to work cheaper than a spaniard and driven down his wages. I’ve invested in Spain, not just gone there to take what i can.
Ex Haulier:
Did you come and buy a house here for cash ?. I haven’t gone to Spain and offered to work cheaper than a spaniard and driven down his wages. I’ve invested in Spain, not just gone there to take what i can.
I am not sure if I want to buy home here, so I am renting now (and I am not paying for it with a conkers, if that’s what you ask, and I rent it on free market, from private Scottish landlord). I also never agreed to work for less than my Scottish collegues, and I don’t know anybody who went and offered to work for less. You know, Poles aren’t as stupid, who would like to work for less if he can work for the same amount of money as the rest of the drivers?
Moreover, I’ve been once on the interview, and there was two of us, and after the Scottish guy realised that I am far more experienced than he was (I had 2 years of experience and he just passed his class 2), he went back to the office and I heard him offering to work for “50 cheaper per week than the Polish guy”. Somehow they employed me (which I regret now, as it was in McLellan’s 
)
The problem you talking about is caused by the agencies, who recruited Poles IN POLAND offering them really good wages for Polish conditions (which is no longer the case, as now it’s not a problem to earn British money for trucking in Poland) and then offering them to British hauliers.
The problem of people coming to the manager and offering to work for less is marginal, and not limited to Poles only (actually as a senior member you propably noticed that it’s a regular topic on this forum “I will work for free to get experience”. But I am not surprise that you are not happy with Polish people offering to work for less, while you never mentioned nothing about British people offering to work for free).
But it seems that we are draggind the topic of the rails again, so if you fancy some (cultural) dissussion, please come to a private messages.
orys:
Ex Haulier:
I think your getting a bit confused. I live and work here, i pay taxes here so if i wanted to see a doctor here i can. I keep a house in Spain, if i take my car down there, there is no requirment to register it there if it’s only there for three months. I have private medical insurance that i have never needed to use and i go to the dentist in Spain which i pay for. I contribute in both countries, i sponge off no one.Well, I am a bit confused because your situation in Spain is perfectly the same as mine in UK, and 95% of Poles in Britain I know. Yet in one of the many “anti-polish” threads some time ago you were expressing your views on that and, to shorten it in polite way, you weren’t too happy about Poles living in UK…
So how it is with you? Is it just that it’s OK for Britons to choose their life in another country, but it is not OK for Poles?
Here here orys 
i agree with you