£327 tramping 6 days

[ex_haulier]

More rubbish. I’m starting to think you are just taking the urine, even out of the people who are kissing your arse. How can a brit run a home, bring up a family etc on minimum wage .?. Might be o.k. if there are 10 of you sharing a rented house.

The reason immigrants are popular with employers are that they are compliant and cheap. You can use them to drive down the cost of your existing workers, it’s pretty well accepted that they have driven down wages by about 20%. As they tend to be younger and have fewer family commitments you can get them to work all the unsocial hours and generally give them all the crap that no one else wants to do.

As for the economic benefits of immigration, this pretty much sets things out.

migrationwatchuk.org/pdfs/ba … ration.pdf

[rob_k]

Ex Haulier:
More rubbish. I’m starting to think you are just taking the urine, even out of the people who are kissing your arse. How can a brit run a home, bring up a family etc on minimum wage .?. Might be o.k. if there are 10 of you sharing a rented house.

The reason immigrants are popular with employers are that they are compliant and cheap. You can use them to drive down the cost of your existing workers, it’s pretty well accepted that they have driven down wages by about 20%. As they tend to be younger and have fewer family commitments you can get them to work all the unsocial hours and generally give them all the crap that no one else wants to do.

As for the economic benefits of immigration, this pretty much sets things out.

migrationwatchuk.org/pdfs/ba … ration.pdf

True. No disagreeing from anyone on that.

[orys]

Ex Haulier:
More rubbish. I’m starting to think you are just taking the urine, even out of the people who are kissing your arse.

Well, most of your posts are not too far from urine… I have to be really bored that I am still answering them.

How can a brit run a home, bring up a family etc on minimum wage .?. Might be o.k. if there are 10 of you sharing a rented house.

Excactly the same way as the eveyrone else - by living to their means, balancing their budget carefuly, saving when possible and working rather than complaining about everything. You might be someone who had always happy life, but I’ve been having huge debt and poor income for few years. Yet I managed to live in privately rented flat in a good neighbourhood with my part-time working partner only and we even managed to buy new car using scrappage scheme.

Yes, we weren’t going for expensive holidays or pub crawl every weekend, we’ve been shopping more in Lidl than in fancy delicatessen on West End, but we had quite a pleasant live with many small pleasures.

The reason immigrants are popular with employers are that they are compliant and cheap.

I am not compliant, nor I am cheap - I am not willing to work for less than my British counterpart, and it seems that I know my rights better than many of my workmates. Yet, I am “popular amongst employers”.

Maybe simply because I am a good worker?

You can use them to drive down the cost of your existing workers, it’s pretty well accepted that they have driven down wages by about 20%.As they tend to be younger and have fewer family commitments you can get them to work all the unsocial hours and generally give them all the crap that no one else wants to do.

The highlited bit is most important part. I know, that you are tending to only pick up the fact convienient for you, but it’s not that if emigrants would not be here, the Britain would be the land of milk and honey with sky-high salary and work only in sociable hours. You seems to have very naive pictrure of the world economy.

The difference would be that as “noone would want to work” in unsociable hours or with wages offered by the employers, the companies would not simply just pay them more, as (maybe you are not aware of this fact) money don’t grow on trees. Therefore many of them would move out of Britain and amongst these which left, there would be chain of bankrupcies (especially in last few years of worldwide financial hardship) and the Britain will be full of abandoned factories and uneployed people.

There is not like you have a choice between factory employing Britons at 12 per hour vs factory employing emigrants at 6 ph. The choice you have is to allow emigrants here to come and work for 6ph if noone else is willing to do so, or to face factories being moved outside your expensive country.

As for the economic benefits of immigration, this pretty much sets things out.

migrationwatchuk.org/pdfs/ba … ration.pdf

Yeah, paper from the antiimigration organization is the best source of the independent information on that subject

[ex_haulier]

Have huge debt, poor income. Live in nice neighbourhood, buy new car !!!.

I think people will be able to make up there own mind who is talking rubbish. I get the impression you all think it is the land of milk and honey, enough of you couldn’t wait to get here. Anyway i’m sure that everyone will rush to agree with you what a wonderful life it can be on minimum wage, and don’t forget the benefits you can claim on top.

[orys]

Ex Haulier:
Have huge debt, poor income. Live in nice neighbourhood, buy new car !!!.

Well, you work in the country where imigrants bring the wages to the ground and put is working class to its knees, as they are no longer able to find decent paying job, yet you are somehow able to come home from your sunny Spanish house and get a 500 per week job whenever you want… And you said that not to show how unique you are, but as example to prove, that anybody should be able to do so… So who’s contradicting himself and talks rubbish?

Next: You are able to buy house in Spain and spent quarter of the year there doing nothing, to pay for your home in Spain for the whole year and, I suppose, to have another home here in UK, as I doubt you live on the street for 75% of the year. I dount also that you live in a council flat, as “you are not a parasite” to live in a housing scheme supprorted by another people’s taxes. All that from average wage of 400 per week (judging from that you don’t work for 25% of the year, and during the rest of the year you earn more than 500 per week), why you think that living in nice flat rented at bargain price and buying a car at finance of about 35 per week is beyond abilities of someone who earns just 100-150 pound per week less than you?

And work at minimum wage for 40 hours is just about 260 pounds take home. So you can’t earn less here by the law if you work.

Yes, there might be no full time job you like available, but they will be more than happy to give you few hours more in McDonalds… So if you only want, you can earn that 260-300 pounds per week, and I am assuring you that if you are wise on your wallet, you can have a decent life from it.

Actually I am doing just that from the september - I am switching only to part time work and I am going back to uni. And I will probably be renting one bed or studio flat just for myself.

Off course, I am able to live at such small amount of cash, as I don’t have second home, don’t have any children or grandchildren, any mortages to pay, spent my holidays walking in the hills with my tent in the backpack or riding the bicycle… If I had kids, I would might be forced to live in a council estate and drive old car… Yet I could live a decent life still.

I think that’s why I like to discuss with you, you shoot yourself in your feet all the time

And, just for your information, I havent had a penny of the benefit in my life. Yes, I tried once to obtain some uncapacity benefit, when I was injured in car accident and unable to work, but it was refused to me, as I was then working in Scotland only for 23 months (which proves what a load of crap is in that paper from antiimigration organization you quoted before, as they claim I am allowed to fully benefit from the welfare system in this country just after 12 months - I guess that other information in it are as much accurate)

Edited: by “huge debt” I mean slightly over 3000 pounds owed to bank, credit card and friends, who helped me when I was in trouble after my car accident. It might not be huge for you, but when I was bringing home between 200 and 300 per week, sometimes less, and my partner was working part time in the minimum wage work, it was a lot for us. I managed to pay it off by small amounts of cash every week, then after I won my case agains McLellan’s transport, I was able to pay off most of the sum left from the money I won.

[lynchy]

That’s why you still need new emigrants.
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JEEZ!We didn’t need/want them in the first place,when the country’s still in a recession we certainly don’t need any more from either EU or anyplace else,its time Cameron stopped talking tough,and started acting as if he still goverend the country instead of Strasbourg/Brussels etc.Europe/previous governments ,have brought us down to the standards almost of a third world country,and we’re paying hundreds of millions/billions for the pleasure of it,why do we need to be a net contributor to a Europe thats nothing to do with trading anymore,this country should be goverend for the British people,importing labour just to suppress wages,keep the working man down,suits the bosses,not the country,

[orys]

JEEZ!We didn’t need/want them in the first place,when the country’s still in a recession we certainly don’t need any more from either EU or anyplace else,its time Cameron stopped talking tough,and started acting as if he still goverend the country instead of Strasbourg/Brussels etc.Europe/previous governments ,have brought us down to the standards almost of a third world country,and we’re paying hundreds of millions/billions for the pleasure of it,why do we need to be a net contributor to a Europe thats nothing to do with trading anymore,this country should be goverend for the British people,importing labour just to suppress wages,keep the working man down,suits the bosses,not the country,

Well, I certainly agree with you on that in current situation you don’t need any more, as your economy is in decline, not in growth. My post about that you need more immigration was rather general statement, in a mich wider time scale than year or two. As in general, simply, if average British family has 1.6 or something kids, you won’t be able to not only grow, but even to keep your living standard at a present level. Therefore importing labour is not only to bring the wages down, but also necessary, as your (or our, if I decide to stay here) retirement and care when we will be old, has to be paid from someone’s taxes. People live longer, but sadly, it’s mostly the elderly age which gets longer, therefore we will be in retirement age propably for much longer than our grandparents.

This also applies to Poland, and sadly we will propably need even more of them, as lot of us leaves our country to live somewhere else. The only hope is that we catch up with the rest of Europe and Poland become as much attractive place to live like Britain, France or Germany. Off course we will be still needing emigrants even there, as will be France, Germany and Britain. Unless we start work harder and have more children.

Do you know that my generation (people about 30) will be the first generation worse off than our parents?

Next: sadly (or rather: happily) I can assure you, that your living standard are still much better not only than in Third World country, but also by most of the members of the European Union, so I think you exaggerating a bit on that one. You don’t even know how lucky you are that you never experienced real hardship.

I do also see many mistakes made by your goverment, but I am not the right person to discuss that, I think, as I am not the voter.

Also: I am not the fan of letting too much power to beaurocrats in Brussels, nor by Brtiain, nor by Poland (as here, we also have much in common, both of our contries are lending some powers to them and their decissions are often not right for us)

[ex_haulier]

orys:

Ex Haulier:
Have huge debt, poor income. Live in nice neighbourhood, buy new car !!!.

Well, you work in the country where imigrants bring the wages to the ground and put is working class to its knees, as they are no longer able to find decent paying job, yet you are somehow able to come home from your sunny Spanish house and get a 500 per week job whenever you want… And you said that not to show how unique you are, but as example to prove, that anybody should be able to do so… So who’s contradicting himself and talks rubbish?

Next: You are able to buy house in Spain and spent quarter of the year there doing nothing, to pay for your home in Spain for the whole year and, I suppose, to have another home here in UK, as I doubt you live on the street for 75% of the year. I dount also that you live in a council flat, as “you are not a parasite” to live in a housing scheme supprorted by another people’s taxes. All that from average wage of 400 per week (judging from that you don’t work for 25% of the year, and during the rest of the year you earn more than 500 per week), why you think that living in nice flat rented at bargain price and buying a car at finance of about 35 per week is beyond abilities of someone who earns just 100-150 pound per week less than you?

And work at minimum wage for 40 hours is just about 260 pounds take home. So you can’t earn less here by the law if you work.

Yes, there might be no full time job you like available, but they will be more than happy to give you few hours more in McDonalds… So if you only want, you can earn that 260-300 pounds per week, and I am assuring you that if you are wise on your wallet, you can have a decent life from it.

Actually I am doing just that from the september - I am switching only to part time work and I am going back to uni. And I will probably be renting one bed or studio flat just for myself.

Off course, I am able to live at such small amount of cash, as I don’t have second home, don’t have any children or grandchildren, any mortages to pay, spent my holidays walking in the hills with my tent in the backpack or riding the bicycle… If I had kids, I would might be forced to live in a council estate and drive old car… Yet I could live a decent life still.

I think that’s why I like to discuss with you, you shoot yourself in your feet all the time

And, just for your information, I havent had a penny of the benefit in my life. Yes, I tried once to obtain some uncapacity benefit, when I was injured in car accident and unable to work, but it was refused to me, as I was then working in Scotland only for 23 months (which proves what a load of crap is in that paper from antiimigration organization you quoted before, as they claim I am allowed to fully benefit from the welfare system in this country just after 12 months - I guess that other information in it are as much accurate)

Edited: by “huge debt” I mean slightly over 3000 pounds owed to bank, credit card and friends, who helped me when I was in trouble after my car accident. It might not be huge for you, but when I was bringing home between 200 and 300 per week, sometimes less, and my partner was working part time in the minimum wage work, it was a lot for us. I managed to pay it off by small amounts of cash every week, then after I won my case agains McLellan’s transport, I was able to pay off most of the sum left from the money I won.

Quite frankly, what property i happen to own is really none of your business, but i will tell you that the one in Spain i have owned for over 10 years. I wasn’t always an ex you see.

Why i choose to work the way i do, is also none of your business. I will say though that i could go and work at 3 other places this week all at over £500 a week. In this area that is no big deal. It’s also why i find it hard to understand why anyone would think you can have a decent life on minimum wage. Maybe you are still thinking in old east european communist terms, some of your views would seem to be in tune with that sort of philosophy.

[ex_haulier]

Ex Haulier:

orys:

Ex Haulier:
Have huge debt, poor income. Live in nice neighbourhood, buy new car !!!.

Well, you work in the country where imigrants bring the wages to the ground and put is working class to its knees, as they are no longer able to find decent paying job, yet you are somehow able to come home from your sunny Spanish house and get a 500 per week job whenever you want… And you said that not to show how unique you are, but as example to prove, that anybody should be able to do so… So who’s contradicting himself and talks rubbish?

Next: You are able to buy house in Spain and spent quarter of the year there doing nothing, to pay for your home in Spain for the whole year and, I suppose, to have another home here in UK, as I doubt you live on the street for 75% of the year. I dount also that you live in a council flat, as “you are not a parasite” to live in a housing scheme supprorted by another people’s taxes. All that from average wage of 400 per week (judging from that you don’t work for 25% of the year, and during the rest of the year you earn more than 500 per week), why you think that living in nice flat rented at bargain price and buying a car at finance of about 35 per week is beyond abilities of someone who earns just 100-150 pound per week less than you?

And work at minimum wage for 40 hours is just about 260 pounds take home. So you can’t earn less here by the law if you work.

Yes, there might be no full time job you like available, but they will be more than happy to give you few hours more in McDonalds… So if you only want, you can earn that 260-300 pounds per week, and I am assuring you that if you are wise on your wallet, you can have a decent life from it.

Actually I am doing just that from the september - I am switching only to part time work and I am going back to uni. And I will probably be renting one bed or studio flat just for myself.

Off course, I am able to live at such small amount of cash, as I don’t have second home, don’t have any children or grandchildren, any mortages to pay, spent my holidays walking in the hills with my tent in the backpack or riding the bicycle… If I had kids, I would might be forced to live in a council estate and drive old car… Yet I could live a decent life still.

I think that’s why I like to discuss with you, you shoot yourself in your feet all the time

And, just for your information, I havent had a penny of the benefit in my life. Yes, I tried once to obtain some uncapacity benefit, when I was injured in car accident and unable to work, but it was refused to me, as I was then working in Scotland only for 23 months (which proves what a load of crap is in that paper from antiimigration organization you quoted before, as they claim I am allowed to fully benefit from the welfare system in this country just after 12 months - I guess that other information in it are as much accurate)

Edited: by “huge debt” I mean slightly over 3000 pounds owed to bank, credit card and friends, who helped me when I was in trouble after my car accident. It might not be huge for you, but when I was bringing home between 200 and 300 per week, sometimes less, and my partner was working part time in the minimum wage work, it was a lot for us. I managed to pay it off by small amounts of cash every week, then after I won my case agains McLellan’s transport, I was able to pay off most of the sum left from the money I won.

Quite frankly, what property i happen to own is really none of your business, but i will tell you that the one in Spain i have owned for over 10 years. I wasn’t always an ex you see.

Why i choose to work the way i do, is also none of your business. I will say though that i could go and work at 3 other places this week all at over £500 a week. In this area that is no big deal. It’s also why i find it hard to understand why anyone would think you can have a decent life on minimum wage. Maybe you are still thinking in old east european communist terms, some of your views would seem to be in tune with that sort of philosophy.

I find your views on population growth very odd as well but i can’t be bothered to argue about it right now.

[orys]

Ex Haulier:
Quite frankly, what property i happen to own is really none of your business, but i will tell you that the one in Spain i have owned for over 10 years. I wasn’t always an ex you see.

Why i choose to work the way i do, is also none of your business. I will say though that i could go and work at 3 other places this week all at over £500 a week. In this area that is no big deal. It’s also why i find it hard to understand why anyone would think you can have a decent life on minimum wage. Maybe you are still thinking in old east european communist terms, some of your views would seem to be in tune with that sort of philosophy.

Off course your property is not my business, nor is my car your business. But it’s you who used your property as example in discussion, so it’s already on the table. Just as you can’t move your figures back on the chessboard when you are starting to loose the game, you also can’t take your arguments back if I proved that they in fact show that you are wrong. I am sorry, they were already said, so now we can discuss them.

Off course I am using your property only as an example, apart of that I am very happy that you enjoyed your property bought there 10 years ago (I wonder, if 10 years ago Spaniards also were so happy about foreigners from much richer country buying off their homes) as I like people to be happy, but I am not wishing to gather any more information or involvement with it

Why I know that you can have decent life with low income? Because I tried it myself. It’s not a rocket sience:

If you have two people, bringing home 250 pound per week each, your monthly income for the household is 2000. You can rent a decent one bedroom flat on free market in Glasgow for about 400, with council tax and bills topping it to about 600. You will spend about 100, maybe more per week for food and house detergents. That’s still leaves you 1000 for car insurance and fuel (or public transport), car financing, clotching and some other expenses like enteirantment. There is still possibility to save. I have to say that there were a times when I was living for much less than that.

Is this really so unreal for you? In that case I only can say, that one can be jelaous about your luxury lifestyle

Ex Haulier:
I find your views on population growth very odd as well but i can’t be bothered to argue about it right now.

yeah, you find many obvious fact very odd, yet you know that you can discuss them, so you evade the discussion. It’s not the first time, even in that thread. Which is good, as I am also not really willing to lead some pointless discussion with someone who just picks the convienient facts for him and when shown that there are also some other facts which can prove his teories wrong, starts to abuse his adversary.

[ex_haulier]

Just because you write something doesn’t make it correct or a fact or make you right. What supreme arrogance. Are you really suggesting that we like your good catholic countrymen and women breed like rabbits to solve our problems ?. Just because your country did that and then had to send them all abroad as there where no jobs at home doesn’t mean we are going to go down that route. You have some very strange ideas.

The answer to your question about whether the spanish were and in fact still are only too happy for us to buy houses there no matter how much you may find it offensive.

[orys]

Ex Haulier:
Just because you write something doesn’t make it correct or a fact or make you right. What supreme arrogance.

Well, this is called “projection” in psychology. As this is me, who gives actually the facts, statistics etc and not makes any statements. Your strongest facts so far are examples from your own life and sentences like “you are talking rubbish” EDITED: Sorry, I forgot about british centered article from British paper and that propagadna from antyimigrant organisation

Are you really suggesting that we like your good catholic countrymen and women breed like rabbits to solve our problems ?.

No, off course not. It is your choice what you do with your country. You can either have more kids, and fill the gaps in the workmarket yourself, or you can import workfroce from abroad.

Just because your country did that and then had to send them all abroad as there where no jobs at home doesn’t mean we are going to go down that route. You have some very strange ideas.

Thank you for again amuse me by showing your ignorance.

Check fertility rate for Poland and UK, and see who is closer to be “breeding like the rabbits” (although all European countries are far from that, maybe except Muslim communities)

I just love to watch how you shoot yourself in the feet in every post - this might be mean pleasure and maybe I should be ashamed of that, but this is propably why I still exchange posts with you.

[ex_haulier]

I have no idea where you get all your “facts” from. I do however have the evidence from my own eyes and ears that Poland had an excess of young people.

No bullet holes in my feet, sorry.

[orys]

Ex Haulier:
I have no idea where you get all your “facts” from.

Well, european data, also CIA World Factbook, GUS (główny urząd statystyczny - main statistic office) of the Polish goverment and also articles and analyses in major British and Polish press are some of the places you might want to start if you really was interested to find the facts. But you are happy with what your eyes see, despite that your view covers very limited area of the subject (and your thoughts limites it even more but ignoring facts which do not fit in your theory).

As for me, I also completed (with A’s) two years of Central and East European Studies on British university, so my knowledge on the subject (as relations with Western Europe are also excessively covered) is rather good, while my knowledge is gained on BRITISH university, so you can’t accuse me of it’s being one-sided or pro-Polish

I do however have the evidence from my own eyes and ears that Poland had an excess of young people.

Brilliant example of what I just said above. Off course your eyes see mostly young people, as they are making most of the migrants, both to UK and to Spain. But they are not falling with the rain, and that number means that there is much less of them in Poland.

If the Spaniards are looking at you and rest of the British housebuyers, they would propably say that Britain has excess of the old ■■■■■ with lot of money

No bullet holes in my feet, sorry.

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[/quote]
I am quite getting used to you refusing to admit the obvious facts

By for now, might pop and seek more entertaiment later

[waynedl]

orys:

Ex Haulier:
Have huge debt, poor income. Live in nice neighbourhood, buy new car !!!.

And work at minimum wage for 40 hours is just about 260 pounds take home. So you can’t earn less here by the law if you work.

Erm, minimum wage is currently set at £5.93 for over 21’s, rising to £6.08 in October.

£5.93 x 40 = £237.20 BEFORE stoppages… £6.08 x 40 = £243.20 BEFORE stoppages…

Neither of these would give a take home of £260. More like £180 ish…

I drive an old car that was paid for cash, have a moderate mortgage (£69k or so), and usual bills and there’s no way on this planet I could live on that, it wouldn’t even cover my direct debits, never mind fuel in car to get to work, food, and any unforseen expenses such has tyres, brakes, repairs to house etc.

I like you Orys and agree with most things you say, but minimum wage was always a joke, it brought wages in certain sectors (care workers for example) DOWN, and still never brought a liveable wage in.

Ok, return to argument now

[welshboyinspain]

orys:
I put it for you in simple words:

1. Welshboy in Spain work in spain, he pais tax there, so he is like Poles in UK. Simplies.

now hold your horses a minute orys i don’t mind being a migrant from one country to another but i am not on a comparison with the poles.
are you trying to say that thousands or even hundreds of thousands of poles moved to the UK for the weather
or that they prefer the laid back lifestyle, cheaper cost of living, cheaper housing and relatively safer streets for their children in the UK
i think not somehow
you have to admit that nearly all the poles in the UK are there simply for financial reward and even though you don’t do it a lot of them do work for less than their local equivalent.
i didn’t come to spain to look for work because there was none in wales and i don’t want to be a lorry driver, i would much rather sit by the pool all day but with a mortgage to pay that will have to wait

[ex_haulier]

waynedl:

orys:

Ex Haulier:
Have huge debt, poor income. Live in nice neighbourhood, buy new car !!!.

And work at minimum wage for 40 hours is just about 260 pounds take home. So you can’t earn less here by the law if you work.

Erm, minimum wage is currently set at £5.93 for over 21’s, rising to £6.08 in October.

£5.93 x 40 = £237.20 BEFORE stoppages… £6.08 x 40 = £243.20 BEFORE stoppages…

Neither of these would give a take home of £260. More like £180 ish…

I drive an old car that was paid for cash, have a moderate mortgage (£69k or so), and usual bills and there’s no way on this planet I could live on that, it wouldn’t even cover my direct debits, never mind fuel in car to get to work, food, and any unforseen expenses such has tyres, brakes, repairs to house etc.

I like you Orys and agree with most things you say, but minimum wage was always a joke, it brought wages in certain sectors (care workers for example) DOWN, and still never brought a liveable wage in.

Ok, return to argument now

Orys will tell you, you are wrong. CIA fact book which he study at university state, minimum wage get you new car and house in nice neighbourhood as well as, as much food from Lidl as you need. Must be true as he has read it and written it on truck driver forum.

[orys]

waynedl:

orys:

Ex Haulier:
Have huge debt, poor income. Live in nice neighbourhood, buy new car !!!.

And work at minimum wage for 40 hours is just about 260 pounds take home. So you can’t earn less here by the law if you work.

Erm, minimum wage is currently set at £5.93 for over 21’s, rising to £6.08 in October.

£5.93 x 40 = £237.20 BEFORE stoppages… £6.08 x 40 = £243.20 BEFORE stoppages…

Neither of these would give a take home of £260. More like £180 ish…

I drive an old car that was paid for cash, have a moderate mortgage (£69k or so), and usual bills and there’s no way on this planet I could live on that, it wouldn’t even cover my direct debits, never mind fuel in car to get to work, food, and any unforseen expenses such has tyres, brakes, repairs to house etc.

I like you Orys and agree with most things you say, but minimum wage was always a joke, it brought wages in certain sectors (care workers for example) DOWN, and still never brought a liveable wage in.

Ok, return to argument now

Well, yes, you right. My fault, I have to admit it, I just put my rough estimate without thinking. But then you have working tax credits, don’t you?

But coming back to the argument: Your monthly income without WTC for two people will be 1400. You then move to cheaper part of town, where you have flat for 450 incl. bills, you still spend 400 for food, 50 for car insurance, 200 per month for fuel and car maintentance, 50 for public transport for the other partner and that comes up to 1200. You still have 200 pounds for other expenses - clothing, mobile phone calls, unexpected repairs etc.

I know this is not much, and your life won’t be comfortable, but it’s still possible, there was a time I’ve been living for about this or even less (but then I have to admit that I was struggling and seeked some extra income). Off course on that income you can forget about taking a mortage for a home, but then you don’t live in your own house, you rent, so you are not bothered with maintenance and repairs costs. And you can always try to get housing flat - this is why they are for.

[orys]

welshboyinspain:

orys:
I put it for you in simple words:

1. Welshboy in Spain work in spain, he pais tax there, so he is like Poles in UK. Simplies.

now hold your horses a minute orys i don’t mind being a migrant from one country to another but i am not on a comparison with the poles.

Yes, in that context you are. You live in another country, work there, live there, have centre of your living interests, pay taxes and use their infrastructrure. In that context you were mentioned, reasons of why you moved were not relevant.

are you trying to say that thousands or even hundreds of thousands of poles moved to the UK for the weather
or that they prefer the laid back lifestyle, cheaper cost of living, cheaper housing and relatively safer streets for their children in the UK
i think not somehow

Them moved, as they decided that they will like life in this country more than in their own - isn’t it your reason to move as well?

you have to admit that nearly all the poles in the UK are there simply for financial reward and even though you don’t do it a lot of them do work for less than their local equivalent.

Yeah, many (but not most, there is plenty of different reasons) came here for money. As for working for less, they don’t work for less. I never seen an job ad sayint “7 per hour, unless you are Polish, then 5.93”. But I can admit that because there is now more workers in the market, the wages went down.

[orys]

Ex Haulier:
Orys will tell you, you are wrong. CIA fact book which he study at university state, minimum wage get you new car and house in nice neighbourhood as well as, as much food from Lidl as you need. Must be true as he has read it and written it on truck driver forum.

Well, unlike you I can admit when I am wrong, and I did just that.