Ex Haulier:
Have huge debt, poor income. Live in nice neighbourhood, buy new car !!!.
And work at minimum wage for 40 hours is just about 260 pounds take home. So you can’t earn less here by the law if you work.
Erm, minimum wage is currently set at £5.93 for over 21’s, rising to £6.08 in October.
£5.93 x 40 = £237.20 BEFORE stoppages… £6.08 x 40 = £243.20 BEFORE stoppages…
Neither of these would give a take home of £260. More like £180 ish…
I drive an old car that was paid for cash, have a moderate mortgage (£69k or so), and usual bills and there’s no way on this planet I could live on that, it wouldn’t even cover my direct debits, never mind fuel in car to get to work, food, and any unforseen expenses such has tyres, brakes, repairs to house etc.
I like you Orys and agree with most things you say, but minimum wage was always a joke, it brought wages in certain sectors (care workers for example) DOWN, and still never brought a liveable wage in.
Ok, return to argument now
Well, yes, you right. My fault, I have to admit it, I just put my rough estimate without thinking. But then you have working tax credits, don’t you?
But coming back to the argument: Your monthly income without WTC for two people will be 1400. You then move to cheaper part of town, where you have flat for 450 incl. bills, you still spend 400 for food, 50 for car insurance, 200 per month for fuel and car maintentance, 50 for public transport for the other partner and that comes up to 1200. You still have 200 pounds for other expenses - clothing, mobile phone calls, unexpected repairs etc.
I know this is not much, and your life won’t be comfortable, but it’s still possible, there was a time I’ve been living for about this or even less (but then I have to admit that I was struggling and seeked some extra income). Off course on that income you can forget about taking a mortage for a home, but then you don’t live in your own house, you rent, so you are not bothered with maintenance and repairs costs. And you can always try to get housing flat - this is why they are for.
So you can’t live in a nice neighbourhood and buy a new car on minimum wage ?. But you can “exist” as half of a couple while hoping to get a council flat. Slight difference i think. I guess next lesson from the highly educated Orys in his quest to educate us thick brits will be to explain why bears do not s*it in the woods and why the pope is not a catholic.
I used to think Horace made some fairly decent posts, but looking at his content in his thread it’s clear he hasn’t got a ■■■■■■■ clue about anything concerning his country and the way stuff is done here. I think it’s high time he ■■■■■■ off back to Poland actually and we can be spared his preaching on how we should do stuff in his opinion.
Ex Haulier:
So you can’t live in a nice neighbourhood and buy a new car on minimum wage ?.
it would be hard to do, I was wrong on that, and I already admitted that. Do you want me to admit it another time to let you feel better?
Yeah, I made a mistake. You can have decent life on minimum wage, but it won’t be luxury life. Feel better now?
But you can “exist” as half of a couple while hoping to get a council flat.
No, I proved that you can live without any council flat or benefits or WTC. They are to make your life better than just minimal.
I guess next lesson from the highly educated Orys in his quest to educate us thick brits will be to explain why bears do not s*it in the woods and why the pope is not a catholic.
Well, that’s your speciality, I know when to give up to natives.
RobK:
I used to think Horace made some fairly decent posts, but looking at his content in his thread it’s clear he hasn’t got a [zb] clue about anything concerning his country and the way stuff is done here. I think it’s high time he [zb] off back to Poland actually and we can be spared his preaching on how we should do stuff in his opinion.
Ah, I am sorry. I can see from your polite and informative post with no personal attacks in it, that my posts are indeed far from the British Discussion Standards
I can’t, though, recall where I told you how to do your stuff, could you quote me on that, please?
Ah, I am sorry. I can see from your polite and informative post with no personal attacks in it, that my posts are indeed far from the British Discussion Standards
I can’t, though, recall where I told you how to do your stuff, could you quote me on that, please?
Ex Haulier:
More rubbish. I’m starting to think you are just taking the urine, even out of the people who are kissing your arse. How can a brit run a home, bring up a family etc on minimum wage .?. Might be o.k. if there are 10 of you sharing a rented house.
The reason immigrants are popular with employers are that they are compliant and cheap. You can use them to drive down the cost of your existing workers, it’s pretty well accepted that they have driven down wages by about 20%. As they tend to be younger and have fewer family commitments you can get them to work all the unsocial hours and generally give them all the crap that no one else wants to do.
As for the economic benefits of immigration, this pretty much sets things out.
I think it’s clear a lot of us working class would be happy if all the poles f’kd off back to their great country and they’re great people. I’m amazed so many can lower themselves to live and work here
Orys has really turned me off him and his natives with all the bull he’s come out with on here.
OllieNotts: I think it’s clear a lot of us working class would be happy if all the poles f’kd off back to their great country and they’re great people. I’m amazed so many can lower themselves to live and work here
Orys has really turned me off him and his natives with all the bull he’s come out with on here.
YES, not just the Poles though.
How can the ‘normal’ person compete with 6/8 drivers living in a rented property? Bills must be cheap as ■■■■■ divided between them. That’s going on around where I live. Also coming home with big containers full of diesel, seen it with my own eyes.
I like Orys but he’s still doing a job that someone born here could/should be doing.
90% of 400,000 new jobs created in the first three months of 2011 went to foreigners according to the same government that said British jobs would be filled with British people
They’ve also just given a German company the contract for work over a derby based firm which means 1500 people will be out of work as the foreign influx will stopping them gain employment in even less paid jobs to tide them over.
Ridiculous.
Just look at when Rover were going down the pan, yet we were in Iraq with a serious shortage of armoured vehicles…
Wouldn’t take a rocket scientist to say, Rover, make some armoured vehicles for our men in Iraq…
It’s the same with all our defensive contracts, how many ships, subs, planes etc made by companies outside the uk…
If you were building a modern technical weapon that has the chance of being used against you, you’d install a back door to be able to shut the ■■■■■■ down remotely.
I could just have seen the Soviets asking the yanks to build their IBM’s
waynedl:
All gvt’s have always been arse about ■■■.
Just look at when Rover were going down the pan, yet we were in Iraq with a serious shortage of armoured vehicles…
Wouldn’t take a rocket scientist to say, Rover, make some armoured vehicles for our men in Iraq…
It’s the same with all our defensive contracts, how many ships, subs, planes etc made by companies outside the uk…
If you were building a modern technical weapon that has the chance of being used against you, you’d install a back door to be able to shut the [zb] down remotely.
I could just have seen the Soviets asking the yanks to build their IBM’s
It really would be pointless arguing with you, but tell you what !. Next time you are down in Portsmouth or Plymouth and you see one of those big grey warships, get your trunks on have a swim and dive underneath and see if it has “Made in Britain” stamped on it.
Ex Haulier:
More rubbish. I’m starting to think you are just taking the urine, even out of the people who are kissing your arse. How can a brit run a home, bring up a family etc on minimum wage .?. Might be o.k. if there are 10 of you sharing a rented house.
The reason immigrants are popular with employers are that they are compliant and cheap. You can use them to drive down the cost of your existing workers, it’s pretty well accepted that they have driven down wages by about 20%. As they tend to be younger and have fewer family commitments you can get them to work all the unsocial hours and generally give them all the crap that no one else wants to do.
As for the economic benefits of immigration, this pretty much sets things out.
Its pretty much indeniable that immigrants bring down wages, or at best keep them at less than inflation rates. As business/trade/economy pretty much makes us what we are , i’m uncertain about is anyones idea of it remaining static at a price we like. A company looking to increase margins by a few percent will upsticks anyway and go to a different country as many have done. It made me smile to see on the news tonight to see that a company has relocated its call centre in Pakistan back to Burnley, same thing i thought !!
But on a serious note, and its relevant to where Orys is, has anyone been watching that BBC documentary called ‘The Scheme’ , it was on last night? Same again next week. I can guarantee even the most nationalistic boss would pick an immigrant worker before hiring any of the natives featured on it !! The UK’s biggest problem is not immigrants, its people who do not work. And thats it. We’ve got millions of them !!!
None of those scumbags on the Scheme would ever think of working. If any of the terrorist organisations,God forbid, should ever succeed in blowing another aircraft out of the sky it would be not such a bad thing if it came down on them.
One problem solved.
What sort of parent would allow their 15 year old slapper of a daughter wear on national TV a pair of sunglasses with the words [zb]Me on them
