FarnboroughBoy11:
I’ll give you an example as well actually,
Yesterday I got back to the yard in Guildford after driving straight from Lymm truckstop, I pulled in the yard and when I stopped put the handbrake on it was bang on 4:30 driving time.
I then dropped my trailer and un did the buckles, done some paperwork, ejected my card and went home.
But what your saying is that I should have had a 45 minute break in the yard, THEN dropped my trailer and done paperwork THEN finished my shift
Crazy.
So when you say you dropped you trailer, after you put the brake on,did you move the truck from under it by any chance and park up somewhere, because if you did you may have a drive time infringement when you check your card.
jeez this is hard work, it doesn’t matter if he moved the truck from under it or not. it doesn’t matter whether he undid his buckles on his trailer or not, it doesn’t matter whether he did paperwork or not, what matters is whether following his 4.30 hrs driving he then recorded a 45mins break, started a daily rest or a weekly rest because doing anything else is against the law/regs
hth
but I doubt if it will
FarnboroughBoy11:
I’ll give you an example as well actually,
Yesterday I got back to the yard in Guildford after driving straight from Lymm truckstop, I pulled in the yard and when I stopped put the handbrake on it was bang on 4:30 driving time.
I then dropped my trailer and un did the buckles, done some paperwork, ejected my card and went home.
But what your saying is that I should have had a 45 minute break in the yard, THEN dropped my trailer and done paperwork THEN finished my shift
Crazy.
So when you say you dropped you trailer, after you put the brake on,did you move the truck from under it by any chance and park up somewhere, because if you did you may have a drive time infringement when you check your card.
No I parked exactly where I dropped the trailer and just drove off it this morning.
so technically as I said before, if I drove 4 hours 29 minutes i could effectively work for another 1 hour 31 minutes before I would need a break.
And at the end of a full 4.5 hour drive I would have to sit on my arse for 45 minutes before I can even drop a trailer before going home… What a JOKE!!!
This goes to show that there needs to be a massive review of tacho laws in my opinion.
Another one is:
Drive 1 minute, then 15 mins break
Drive 4:29, 30 mins break
Drive 4:30 and finish shift.
So basically you can drive 8 hours 59 minutes with only a 30 minute break yet you have to have 45 minutes break after only 4:30 driving and you can’t do any other work… Who writes this contradicting crap!!! What a JOKE!!!
FarnboroughBoy11:
:lol: so technically as I said before, if I drove 4 hours 29 minutes i could effectively work for another 1 hour 31 minutes before I would need a break.
And at the end of a full 4.5 hour drive I would have to sit on my arse for 45 minutes before I can even drop a trailer before going home… What a JOKE!!!
This goes to show that there needs to be a massive review of tacho laws in my opinion.
Another one is:
Drive 1 minute, then 15 mins break
Drive 4:29, 30 mins break
Drive 4:30 and finish shift.
So basically you can drive 8 hours 59 minutes with only a 30 minute break yet you have to have 45 minutes break after only 4:30 driving and you can’t do any other work… Who writes this contradicting crap!!! What a JOKE!!!
You think that’s bad FBB? Before they changed the law you could drive for 8 hr 59 min with only a 15 minute break!
FarnboroughBoy11:
:lol: so technically as I said before, if I drove 4 hours 29 minutes i could effectively work for another 1 hour 31 minutes before I would need a break.
And at the end of a full 4.5 hour drive I would have to sit on my arse for 45 minutes before I can even drop a trailer before going home… What a JOKE!!!
This goes to show that there needs to be a massive review of tacho laws in my opinion.
Another one is:
Drive 1 minute, then 15 mins break
Drive 4:29, 30 mins break
Drive 4:30 and finish shift.
So basically you can drive 8 hours 59 minutes with only a 30 minute break yet you have to have 45 minutes break after only 4:30 driving and you can’t do any other work… Who writes this contradicting crap!!! What a JOKE!!!
Tis true, and it even shows that in the “new” 2007 regulations
It has proved possible under the rules of Regulation (EEC)
No 3820/85 to schedule daily driving periods and breaks
to enable a driver to drive for too long without a full
break, leading to reduced road safety and a deterioration
in the driver’s working conditions. It is therefore
appropriate to ensure that split breaks are so ordered
as to prevent abuse.
You think that’s bad FBB? Before they changed the law you could drive for 8 hr 59 min with only a 15 minute break!
Wheel Nut:
You can wet the bed if you are 3 but when you are 5 it is frowned upon
My mam told me that when i was i wee lad of 1 i did that a lot one day late in life i was 6 and my brother did it and he was a lot older than me, my dad got is bed sheet and told him to wash them he never did it again, that is wash his bed sheets he flooded the kitchen We had an old twin tub washing machine with the ringers on there were the old days
FarnboroughBoy11:
There blatantly needs to be a review because it’s ridiculous.
It may be ridiculous but it doesn’t make the more experienced wrong
Do you like boxing? There is a knockout and the lad manages to get up on the count of 11. Would you allow that?
There has to be a point either in time or in your life when it is time to say enough is enough.
You can wet the bed if you are 3 but when you are 5 it is frowned upon
Yes I like boxing,
And no, because the count is 10 and your out.
I agree there has to be a point when enough is enough but with these laws in the two scenarios I’ve mentioned enough is only enough sometimes and not consistent through out the board. They obviously haven’t thought about it enough.
FarnboroughBoy11:
There blatantly needs to be a review because it’s ridiculous.
It may be ridiculous but it doesn’t make the more experienced wrong
Do you like boxing? There is a knockout and the lad manages to get up on the count of 11. Would you allow that?
There has to be a point either in time or in your life when it is time to say enough is enough.
You can wet the bed if you are 3 but when you are 5 it is frowned upon
Yes I like boxing,
And no, because the count is 10 and your out.
I agree there has to be a point when enough is enough but with these laws in the two scenarios I’ve mentioned enough is only enough sometimes and not consistent through out the board. They obviously haven’t thought about it enough.
so the boxer who gets up on 9 or a driver who has done 4h 29m goes on to fight another round until the WTD gets him
FarnboroughBoy11:
I agree there has to be a point when enough is enough but with these laws in the two scenarios I’ve mentioned enough is only enough sometimes and not consistent through out the board. They obviously haven’t thought about it enough.
The problem is though that driving is such a varied job that whatever change you make to make your examples more sensible will no doubt introduce other examples that seem just as ridiculous. You simply can’t write a set of rules that make sense in every scenario.
I think the question has been over worked
I recon - what he is asking is about the following
when you drive up to 4:30 the tacho flashes ‘infringement’ - even though you can legally work 4:30
so I think what the question is -
if it flashes at 4:30 - and you manage to do another exact 4:30 - or the total driven is exactly 9:00
is it an infringement ?
So why does the tacho flash that 4:30 is one ? and if it does it on 4:30 - is it therefore the same on 9:00
cheers
Steve
FarnboroughBoy11:
I disagree with Rog, green456 and grumpybum on this one.
So what your saying is if I drive 4.5 hours to a delivery, I have to take a break before I even undo my curtains and do any other work.
But if I drive for 4.29 I can then do other work for 1 hour 31 minutes before I need a break for WTD.
I’m sorry but you only need a break after 4.5 hours driving if you intend to carry on driving.
They are correct though, it literally is THAT daft… 4hrs 30 and you MUST take a break or begin your daily rest period.
If you’ve drove back to the yard bang on 4hrs 30, you can’t even do your paperwork or debrief without a 45min break - BUT, who’s going to know… Eject card, do what you want and bugger off home.
But if you do 4hrs 30 on the nose and get to a customer, DO NOT record other work, you will get an infringement.
FarnboroughBoy11:
:lol: so technically as I said before, if I drove 4 hours 29 minutes i could effectively work for another 1 hour 31 minutes before I would need a break.
And at the end of a full 4.5 hour drive I would have to sit on my arse for 45 minutes before I can even drop a trailer before going home… What a JOKE!!!
This goes to show that there needs to be a massive review of tacho laws in my opinion.
Another one is:
Drive 1 minute, then 15 mins break
Drive 4:29, 30 mins break
Drive 4:30 and finish shift.
So basically you can drive 8 hours 59 minutes with only a 30 minute break yet you have to have 45 minutes break after only 4:30 driving and you can’t do any other work… Who writes this contradicting crap!!! What a JOKE!!!
You think that’s bad FBB? Before they changed the law you could drive for 8 hr 59 min with only a 15 minute break!
And we did… I used to work for a subby on a well know coach firm that runs between cities… Anyway, we’d get in early in the morning, do our checks, move our vehicle to the fueling part, leave the coach to get fueled whilst we had toast and a brew, half an hour later we’d drive to a coach station, load the passengers up, drive to London, record 15 mins break whilst the coach passengers were unloaded / loaded (it was assisted in London - so a legal break) and back to Manchester and then back to the depot. Literally 8hrs 45 mins with a 15 min break in the middle of it.
Oh great some one thinks the tacho rules are wrong and wants them rewritten. As this forum often shows, lots of drivers struggle with the rules as they are now. Rewrite them and the put ■■■■■■■ will be even more more muddled than they are now. And we will have to redo the tacho rules section of the cpc. No thanks, keep them as they are.
gm:
So why does the tacho flash that 4:30 is one ?
The tacho shows elapsed time - so technically if you see 4hr 30 mins displayed you are in your 4hr 31st minute already. When you stop for a couple of minutes and change mode it will round itself up to the proper time elapsed.
