Harry Monk:
I worked last Sunday. Did just under six hours, but I’m paid eight hours at £16 an hour. £128.Us agency mugs, eh?
So Sunday double time that would be working for 8 quid a hour
And you posted that
When I was working I was happy to do a max of 50/55 hrs including tip n load time and POA never mind 45 hrs driving,any more than that your living to work not the other way round
It ain’t the rule itself, it’s that you can extend/swap just about anything else driving related but not the…ah, forget it- it’s hopeless. To the guy with the ugly avatar who’s experiencing severe reading comprehension issues: I said the pay rate was the same for Fri, Sat, Sun,; how you derive from this that it’s the same for Mon, tue etc. beats me
Of course the rule MUST be there, I understand that people tend to automatically fall asleep at the wheel after 90:01, now if they were to only do 89:49 they’d be totally fine, hence it’s 90 hours and not 91 or 87 because SCIENCE - that’s why 
ETS:
I said the pay rate was the same for Fri, Sat, Sun,; how you derive from this that it’s the same for Mon, tue etc. beats me
Because if your rates are higher on Fri-Sun than they are for Mon-Thu, that would be a new one to me. I’ve never seen any transport company class a Friday as a weekend rate. I’ve seen far more companies pay the flat rates all week. Or give you a magical extra quid or 2.
So fill us all in, what are your rates for each day of the week. When you get chance like, I know you’re busy driving a lot 
Terry T:
ETS:
I said the pay rate was the same for Fri, Sat, Sun,; how you derive from this that it’s the same for Mon, tue etc. beats meBecause if your rates are higher on Fri-Sun than they are for Mon-Thu, that would be a new one to me. I’ve never seen any transport company class a Friday as a weekend rate. I’ve seen far more companies pay the flat rates all week. Or give you a magical extra quid or 2.
So fill us all in, what are your rates for each day of the week. When you get chance like, I know you’re busy driving a lot
It’s a Fri evening start but a Sat morning finish so you end up working part of the weekend, that’s why they’re higher (night shifts). They’re not a transport company although I don’t know why it should make any difference. Also I’m on agency; I believe they pay their own drivers in a different way - an annual salary based on 48 hrs/week and then extra for overtime, fuel efficiency etc.
So your shifts that start on Friday Saturday and Sunday nights are the same rate for all hours worked ?
toonsy:
There are things in the rules that make them daft, such as extending to 10hrs twice in a fixed week - fine, but then allowing it to be possible to do 10hrs driving on four consecutive days (Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday) in the right circumstance when a slight change to “extend to ten hours twice between two weekly tests” would cover that.
The 4 10 hours drives in a row can be quite handy, don’t know why you’d want to change that.
idrive:
I will tell that to the people in the factories that I visit, who stand at machines for 12 hour shifts, for minimum wage with no overtime. Should cheer them up
The average working week in the UK is 42hrs suggesting the majority of the population are doing less than that.
TheUncaringCowboy:
I make substantially more money than you
You probably do, I don’t live to work so I most likely do fewer hours than you. 3 days a week earns me £400 which is plenty enough to not only give me a lifestyle I’m happy with but to save a couple of grand too.
I win
Depends if you think your sole reason for existing is to sit in a lorry.
ETS:
It’s a Fri evening start but a Sat morning finish so you end up working part of the weekend, that’s why they’re higher (night shifts). They’re not a transport company although I don’t know why it should make any difference. Also I’m on agency; I believe they pay their own drivers in a different way - an annual salary based on 48 hrs/week and then extra for overtime, fuel efficiency etc.
Genuine question, not being snarky. Does that mean your overtime is weekly based. Ie three thirteen hour days and two eight hour days gets you only 7 hours overtime instead of 9 because your two early finishes cancel out your three late ones?
Conor:
idrive:
I will tell that to the people in the factories that I visit, who stand at machines for 12 hour shifts, for minimum wage with no overtime. Should cheer them upThe average working week in the UK is 42hrs suggesting the majority of the population are doing less than that.
But of a leap of logic/mathematical propriety there?
So you have information, or are you making assumptions you aren’t sharing with us?
Conor:
TheUncaringCowboy:
I make substantially more money than youYou probably do, I don’t live to work so I most likely do fewer hours than you. 3 days a week earns me £400 which is plenty enough to not only give me a lifestyle I’m happy with but to save a couple of grand too.
I win
Depends if you think your sole reason for existing is to sit in a lorry.
I win because I’m not a complete ■■■■■■■ like you who can’t hold down a permanent job. Remind us all again how smart you are with a ‘red brick degree’ yet are only capable of being a temporary lorry driver.
Surely you’d have to be the Truro to Thurso Shuttle working a 5-6-5-6 pattern to rack up anywhere near a 90 hour fortnight?
Winseer:
Surely you’d have to be the Truro to Thurso Shuttle working a 5-6-5-6 pattern to rack up anywhere near a 90 hour fortnight?
Worked mon-fri + sun last week, mon-thu this week, 10 days worked in 2 weeks, 84 hours. That’s 8.4 hours per day, or .6 hrs under the non-extended daily limit on avg, staying home tonight w/o pay because I won’t do a shift with only 6 hours left and the best part is they (both agency and the company) tried to get me to go in tonight even when I told them TWICE about it- once yesterday when my hours were down to 15 (gave me a 9 hour route none the less) and today when I only have 6 left…
Soon I will be as broke as robroy and will have to apply for council housing when my landlord kicks me out Or become a tramper and buy a caravan to live in during the weekends which is about the only benefit of having a C+E (free B+E).
ETS:
Worked mon-fri + sun last week, mon-thu this week, 10 days worked in 2 weeks, 84 hours. That’s 8.4 hours per day, or .6 hrs under the non-extended daily limit on avg
Without wanting to teach you to ■■■■ eggs, are you sure that you aren’t confusing driving hours with working hours? Your statement above tends to make me think that you are. 84 hours driving in a fortnight is a massive amount of driving hours and something I rarely get near despite being a nationwide tramper.
the maoster:
ETS:
Worked mon-fri + sun last week, mon-thu this week, 10 days worked in 2 weeks, 84 hours. That’s 8.4 hours per day, or .6 hrs under the non-extended daily limit on avgWithout wanting to teach you to ■■■■ eggs, are you sure that you aren’t confusing driving hours with working hours? Your statement above tends to make me think that you are. 84 hours driving in a fortnight is a massive amount of driving hours and something I rarely get near despite being a nationwide tramper.
It’s driving hours as derived from both the tachograph(s) in the trucks and the tacho software at the transport office. 83 hours 57 minutes to be precise. Tachos don’t keep track of daily/weekly other work as far as I can tell anyway. I’ve not gone over 9 hours driving time (in a single day) since like a month ago, either…
TheUncaringCowboy:
I win because I’m not a complete [zb] like you who can’t hold down a permanent job. Remind us all again how smart you are with a ‘red brick degree’ yet are only capable of being a temporary lorry driver.
Doing agency work doesn’t mean you can’t hold down a permanent job. I do agency work because I only work between September and March each year- in the Summer I go away travelling- and even in that time I need the freedom to be able to say “I’m available on Monday, Tuesday and Friday next week”. That wouldn’t work in a permanent job.
Of course, I don’t earn as much as a permanent employee- over the last three years I’ve averaged around £15,000 a year- but then again if you don’t have a mortgage or other heavy outgoings then you don’t need to max your earnings.
So you don’t “win”, you just have different needs and priorities.
Harry Monk:
I worked last Sunday. Did just under six hours, but I’m paid eight hours at £16 an hour. £128.Us agency mugs, eh?
Well if I did 6 hours on a Sunday (not that I ever work weekends - but the opportunity is always there if I choose to do it) I’d be paid £153. Plus another £10 or so into my pension pot. Us full time mugs, eh? 
I have always said the current crop of “Drivers” are as thick as ■■■■.
Why on earth do you want to work MORE hours■■? Isnt the quest to work LESS hours and get more pay?
Timid, snivilling gutless drivers will lead this industry further and further into the gutter by not making a stand and demanding more for less!
ETS:
Winseer:
Surely you’d have to be the Truro to Thurso Shuttle working a 5-6-5-6 pattern to rack up anywhere near a 90 hour fortnight?Worked mon-fri + sun last week, mon-thu this week, 10 days worked in 2 weeks, 84 hours. That’s 8.4 hours per day, or .6 hrs under the non-extended daily limit on avg, staying home tonight w/o pay because I won’t do a shift with only 6 hours left and the best part is they (both agency and the company) tried to get me to go in tonight even when I told them TWICE about it- once yesterday when my hours were down to 15 (gave me a 9 hour route none the less) and today when I only have 6 left…
Soon I will be as broke as robroy and will have to apply for council housing when my landlord kicks me out
Are we not talking about the 90 hour fortnight - as registered on the digi device, rather than “Booked hours” here?
POA and Breaks - don’t count. Driving and other work does when it comes to “booked paid hours”… BUT I always thought that the hours that appear on the digidevice towards the 90 hour fortnight - were only the DRIVING hours…? (The rolling fortnight rolls off the week two weeks back at midnight sunday night…) Even after working two back-to-back 60 hour weeks, 5x12 hour shifts, 55 hours booked as “paid” 5 hours of breaks, 43,44 hour weeks driven - I still had 3 hours in-hand come 23:59 the following sunday evening…