5 Years vs 5 Days

OUT OF HOURS BULLY'S TRUCKSTOP BAR (INTERACTIVE)
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Franglais:
Well, thanks to you all!
You could have posted some information showing:
The facts I`ve posted are wrong
That the benefits are more than the cost
That…well, it is up to you after all.

But so far, all it is…“we dont like what youre saying, so shut up”, “my fingers are in my ears”.
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More that one of you has posted about free speech. Does that only apply when what is said agrees with your opinions?
Yep, daresay we are off to Bully`s.
.
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Nice to see so many jumping off of your arses and doing some exercise today though…
you can thank me later… :smiley:

I do not believe that the future for the UK is rosy. Boris & Co will tell you whatever you want to believe in order to get their way. But, as with Trump, cannot really deliver what they promise. They really have no interest in you (us) other than the vote you have. Sad fact.

I also believe that those who voted to leave are beginning to have doubts but will not say so. The future will show whether Brexit was a great move or a massive mistake.

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Grumpy_old_trucker:
It’s obvious from your tedious ramblings that you are not only a remoaner but I’d take it even further, you appear to have a dislike of Great Britain and all it stands for.
May I suggest you ■■■■ off and join a French truckers forum, you ain’t wanted on here.
Many years ago like you were lined up against a wall.

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Mod’s edit:

Attack the post by all means, but do NOT attack the person.

I heartily agree with the Mod.

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Dipster:
I also believe that those who voted to leave are beginning to have doubts but will not say so.

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
And I believe you’re talking bull ■■■■
Priceless. :smiley:

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robroy:
I notice you did not.address nor explain my point on your ‘bullying’ accusation which I still think is well ott.

Fair enough, I was saying the word bully as I would imagine its meaning but now you have made me go and look it up.

“seek to harm, intimidate, or coerce (someone perceived as vulnerable).”

That seems to fit the pattern that was developing here. Attacking and abusing the messenger and not the message for the only reason that they disagree with the message. Not all posts were of that type but…

Persons with no such authority attempting to intimidate or coerced person to remain silent and/or leave the forum.

I won’t go on and I’m lecturing anyone not even Grumpy but live and let live…Heckle away but maintain some respect.

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Hurryup&wait:

robroy:
I notice you did not.address nor explain my point on your ‘bullying’ accusation which I still think is well ott.

Fair enough, I was saying the word bully as I would imagine its meaning but now you have made me go and look it up.

“seek to harm, intimidate, or coerce (someone perceived as vulnerable).”

That seems to fit the pattern that was developing here. Attacking and abusing the messenger and not the message for the only reason that they disagree with the message. Not all posts were of that type but…

Persons with no such authority attempting to intimidate or coerced person to remain silent and/or leave the forum.

I won’t go on and I’m lecturing anyone not even Grumpy but live and let live…Heckle away but maintain some respect.

Nah, I stand by what I said

Btw…Franglais ‘vulnerable’ ? I think not.

Harm? Intimidate? behave man. :smiley: …and he certainly aint coercible.

Attacking?..maybe, but in the spirit of the forum.

Abusing? That depends on how you interpret it, as I said we’re supposed to be butch truckers ffs, not fragile ballet dancers…(no disrespect to ballet dancers either btw before I get accused of whatever.)

If anybody is SO fragile to want to leave a truckers forum because he’s offended, maybe he’s on the wrong type of forum.

Sorry to pick you up a bit strongly, in so much detail, but you can not make as serious an accusation as ‘bullying’ is, as an off the cuff remark thrown in.
It’s coming up too many times,.and wants nipped in the bud.

If somebody says ‘You are worthless, your opinions are worthless, any more of it and we’ll make it difficult for you to post on here’’ or the like,.THAT could be rightly construed as bullying,.and coercion to leave the forum.

Criticising and telling omebody to shut the ■■■■ up about something he incessantly prattles on about, ajd only because we’re all sick of hearing about something (that is impossible to change :bulb: ), is more of a firm strongly worded criticism…, arguably deserved. :smiley:
He is also fully entitled to take no ■■■■ notice…as he does. :laughing:

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robroy:

Dipster:
I also believe that those who voted to leave are beginning to have doubts but will not say so.

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
And I believe you’re talking bull [zb]
Priceless. :smiley:

Fair enough. And free speech.

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blue estate:

Hurryup&wait:
Disappointed in you Bluey, you contributions are usually of a better calibre.

The vote was about 50/50 with winner takes all. As almost half the country preferred the way it was, please have some respect for them. The vote was only on Brexit, not Totalitarianism.

The result does not deny the loosing side their opinion or right to free and speech so probably best to remove the Jackboots when you spot a remainer as they have exactly the same rights to their opinion as you and the other handful hard men on here.

I don’t want to sound like the headmaster but the offensive language and reactions are way over the top and then the usual suspects mob are hopping on board.

As those same keyboard warriors frequently like to point out, they too have the right to ignore, not contribute or not even bother to read.

I know it is a subject that seems to really fire up otherwise reasonable men but they do not have the right to bully, throttle or abuse or has the country really come to that in the 11 months since Brexit actually occurred?

What are the Brexiteers so wound up about at this stage because you and I know Brexit actually took place on 31 January 2020, 11:00 pm GMT. :unamused:

So it is done, over, finished a long long time ago surprisingly without even a celebration at the time.

The current shenanigans are merely only a trade deal, yes a big one but still only a trade deal with a lot more trade deals yet to be done so why all the fuss?

Remain calm, as transition finishes in a few days and then it’s the promised land all the way. :wink: :wink:

Same applies to you !
He has had his free speech :unamused: and many threads , that’s what’s peeing us off

The vote was actually 48/52 winner takes all just as the remainers would have said if their ballot rigging plan had worked as it did for Macron and Bidet.

No one has the right to an opinion or a vote in favour of going with this bunch of commy EUSSR scumbags anyway.Just as allowing or stopping Mao taking over South Korea wasn’t up for a vote.Communists trying to take advantage of democracy nothing new there.The cat is out of the bag it’s clear what the EUSSR is all about.
xinhuanet.com/english/2019-0 … 925591.htm

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robroy:
Nah, I stand by what I said

Not good enough Rob to say my post is wrong unless you are willing to standby what everyone said.

I never mentioned you or your posts but you were the only one to step in and contradict my post.

That is your right and it was done without abuse or insult and I have no problem with that.

But to attempt to claim that all posts were acceptable simply because your posts were is gibberish…sorry Rob but what I re-quoted was unacceptable imo (perhaps a spur of the moment post) and that’s fine by me if you feel otherwise.

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Dipster:
I do not believe that the future for the UK is rosy. Boris & Co will tell you whatever you want to believe in order to get their way. But, as with Trump, cannot really deliver what they promise. They really have no interest in you (us) other than the vote you have. Sad fact.

I also believe that those who voted to leave are beginning to have doubts but will not say so. The future will show whether Brexit was a great move or a massive mistake.

Doubts about supposedly what exactly.
We voted to leave the EUSSR.You know as in Leave.
Tell us what’s so good about paying a fortune in contributions and inflicting austerity at home to pay for it.
For the privilege of a massive trade deficit and being ruled by people like Juncker.
As for your Tory quislings you protest laugahbly too much.It was them who handed the country over to the Brussels Politburo and campaigned to stay in it remember.
You think that Juncker and Macron and Merkel and their CCP Vichy regime are the way forward for Europe.
At least we can vote the Tories out when the country finally comes to its senses regarding that bunch of liars.
Boris is clearly pro EU and with it global government.Obviously just like you.

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Hurryup&wait:

robroy:
Nah, I stand by what I said

Not good enough Rob to say my post is wrong unless you are willing to standby what everyone said.

I never mentioned you or your posts but you were the only one to step in and contradict my post.

That is your right and it was done without abuse or insult and I have no problem with that.

But to attempt to claim that all posts were acceptable simply because your posts were is gibberish…sorry Rob but what I re-quoted was unacceptable imo (perhaps a spur of the moment post) and that’s fine by me if you feel otherwise.

Not entirely sure what you mean mate, but it does not matter whether I stand by what others said or not,.I stil say there was NO bullying, …insults, maybe, but bullying as I interpret it ?, no.

It’s all part of a forum, disagreement, personality clashes and heated clashes (like your own pub analogy)…neither is bullying in my book.
I did illustrate to you what I would construe as bullying, but I.saw none of that.
If you prefer a bland cleansed forum,.that’s up to you, but I reckon most wouldn’t.
If somebody is going to play the bullying card if disagreed with every time, (as it is actually so more often,) it soon becomes a bit pathetic.
It’s a case of if you can’t stand the heat keep out of the kitchen…as long as the rules are stuck to.
That’s another point in fact, if the mods thought it was bullying, it would be dealt with, it wasn’t,…so it wasn’t. :bulb:

Look mate,.I ain’t a mod,.and I’ve had a couple of holiday drinks, …This thread has gone right off track, if you think there is bullying going on, you should mebbys put it on the Feedback Forum for the mods to look at. :bulb:

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Carryfast:

Dipster:
I do not believe that the future for the UK is rosy. Boris & Co will tell you whatever you want to believe in order to get their way. But, as with Trump, cannot really deliver what they promise. They really have no interest in you (us) other than the vote you have. Sad fact.

I also believe that those who voted to leave are beginning to have doubts but will not say so. The future will show whether Brexit was a great move or a massive mistake.

Doubts about supposedly what exactly.
We voted to leave the EUSSR.You know as in Leave.
Tell us what’s so good about paying a fortune in contributions and inflicting austerity at home to pay for it.
For the privilege of a massive trade deficit and being ruled by people like Juncker.
As for your Tory quislings you protest laugahbly too much.It was them who handed the country over to the Brussels Politburo and campaigned to stay in it remember.
You think that Juncker and Macron and Merkel and their CCP Vichy regime are the way forward for Europe.

At least we can vote the Tories out when the country finally comes to its sens

es regarding that bunch of liars.
Boris is clearly pro EU and with it global government.Obviously just like you.
[/quote]
Interesting post. With a few equally interesting contradictions. However I would like to ask you, a man who seemingly, fervently, believes he know best for all of us, to define exactly what you would like to see in place as government to steer the country to a peaceful and economically secure future. Go for it.

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There are 3 truck makes over here in Australia, Paacar, Volvo and Kenworth, others such as Sterling or frieghtliner are merc … I am not sure what trucks made here are sold in the UK … there is a FTA being sorted between the Uk and Australia … check out the aussie government website … the Canzuk and the RAEP , are what the uk want to join also the TPP, your beloved EU are not doing jot on this side of the world … the UK are fully aware the money is now in Asia and the finaicnal sector of Singapore … and the UK want a big slice of it.

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discoman:
There are 3 truck makes over here in Australia, Paacar, Volvo and Kenworth, others such as Sterling or frieghtliner are merc … I am not sure what trucks made here are sold in the UK … there is a FTA being sorted between the Uk and Australia … check out the aussie government website … the Canzuk and the RAEP , are what the uk want to join also the TPP, your beloved EU are not doing jot on this side of the world … the UK are fully aware the money is now in Asia and the finaicnal sector of Singapore … and the UK want a big slice of it.

Ain’t Kenworth part of Paacar[emoji6]

Sent from my truck

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discoman:
There are 3 truck makes over here in Australia, Paacar, Volvo and Kenworth, others such as Sterling or frieghtliner are merc … I am not sure what trucks made here are sold in the UK … there is a FTA being sorted between the Uk and Australia … check out the aussie government website … the Canzuk and the RAEP , are what the uk want to join also the TPP, your beloved EU are not doing jot on this side of the world … the UK are fully aware the money is now in Asia and the finaicnal sector of Singapore … and the UK want a big slice of it.

I really am no expert but I doubt that many “standard” trucks would satisfy Australian needs. I am pretty sure that the Volvos sold there are quite special- the Volvo staff in Australia have a lot of input in to the design. I wonder how many makers anywhere would have anything suitable in their standard catalogue to adequately meet Australian needs. Am I wrong?

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Dipster:

Carryfast:

Dipster:
I do not believe that the future for the UK is rosy. Boris & Co will tell you whatever you want to believe in order to get their way. But, as with Trump, cannot really deliver what they promise. They really have no interest in you (us) other than the vote you have. Sad fact.

I also believe that those who voted to leave are beginning to have doubts but will not say so. The future will show whether Brexit was a great move or a massive mistake.

Doubts about supposedly what exactly.
We voted to leave the EUSSR.You know as in Leave.
Tell us what’s so good about paying a fortune in contributions and inflicting austerity at home to pay for it.
For the privilege of a massive trade deficit and being ruled by people like Juncker.
As for your Tory quislings you protest laugahbly too much.It was them who handed the country over to the Brussels Politburo and campaigned to stay in it remember.
You think that Juncker and Macron and Merkel and their CCP Vichy regime are the way forward for Europe.

At least we can vote the Tories out when the country finally comes to its sens

es regarding that bunch of liars.
Boris is clearly pro EU and with it global government.Obviously just like you.

Interesting post. With a few equally interesting contradictions. However I would like to ask you, a man who seemingly, fervently, believes he know best for all of us, to define exactly what you would like to see in place as government to steer the country to a peaceful and economically secure future. Go for it.
[/quote]
The government that we ‘would’ have had if we’d have had a Powell led Conservative and Shore led Labour coalition from 1972.Instead of what we got in the form of quislings Heath,Callaghan and Thatcher.

youtube.com/watch?v=0C0EYPPhbNY

youtube.com/watch?v=oRZA1-scNMg

I see you’re still laughably trying to pass off Bozo as one one of ‘ours’ not one of ‘yours’.
He and all the other treacherous quislings isn’t fit to share the same parliament as where Shore an Powell sat.

Contrary to your re writing of history this was a Tiger economy in 1972 with figures to prove it and unfortunately Germany knew it.
That’s where we need to re set the clock back to.
Not follow Merkel and Macron over the CCP Vichy EUSSR cliff.Making us a vassal state of a much larger version of the Communist puppet state Yugoslavia, which is what Bozo is clearly all about.Bozo is the Brit version of Biden.

As I said the cat is out of the bag here and you predictably continue to refuse to condemn it and them.Just like Bozo didn’t.So I’ll continue to post it.
xinhuanet.com/english/2019-0 … 925591.htm

To put it bluntly Nationalism is good the Collective is bad and Bozo or even Farage are no Nationalists.

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Carryfast:

Dipster:

Carryfast:

Dipster:
I do not believe that the future for the UK is rosy. Boris & Co will tell you whatever you want to believe in order to get their way. But, as with Trump, cannot really deliver what they promise. They really have no interest in you (us) other than the vote you have. Sad fact.

I also believe that those who voted to leave are beginning to have doubts but will not say so. The future will show whether Brexit was a great move or a massive mistake.

Doubts about supposedly what exactly.
We voted to leave the EUSSR.You know as in Leave.
Tell us what’s so good about paying a fortune in contributions and inflicting austerity at home to pay for it.
For the privilege of a massive trade deficit and being ruled by people like Juncker.
As for your Tory quislings you protest laugahbly too much.It was them who handed the country over to the Brussels Politburo and campaigned to stay in it remember.
You think that Juncker and Macron and Merkel and their CCP Vichy regime are the way forward for Europe.

At least we can vote the Tories out when the country finally comes to its sens

es regarding that bunch of liars.
Boris is clearly pro EU and with it global government.Obviously just like you.

Interesting post. With a few equally interesting contradictions. However I would like to ask you, a man who seemingly, fervently, believes he know best for all of us, to define exactly what you would like to see in place as government to steer the country to a peaceful and economically secure future. Go for it.

The government that we ‘would’ have had if we’d have had a Powell led Conservative and Shore led Labour coalition from 1972.Instead of what we got in the form of quislings Heath,Callaghan and Thatcher.

youtube.com/watch?v=0C0EYPPhbNY

youtube.com/watch?v=oRZA1-scNMg

I see you’re still laughably trying to pass off Bozo as one one of ‘ours’ not one of ‘yours’.
He and all the other treacherous quislings isn’t fit to share the same parliament as where Shore an Powell sat.

Contrary to your re writing of history this was a Tiger economy in 1972 with figures to prove it and unfortunately Germany knew it.
That’s where we need to re set the clock back to.
Not follow Merkel and Macron over the CCP Vichy EUSSR cliff.Making us a vassal state of a much larger version of the Communist puppet state Yugoslavia, which is what Bozo is clearly all about.Bozo is the Brit version of Biden.

As I said the cat is out of the bag here and you predictably continue to refuse to condemn it and them.Just like Bozo didn’t.So I’ll continue to post it.
xinhuanet.com/english/2019-0 … 925591.htm

To put it bluntly Nationalism is good the Collective is bad and Bozo or even Farage are no Nationalists.
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Carryfast, What a load of nonsense you spout. Where do you get it all from? But I guess you are happy in the world you inhabit. Long may you be so.

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blue estate:

discoman:
There are 3 truck makes over here in Australia, Paacar, Volvo and Kenworth, others such as Sterling or frieghtliner are merc … I am not sure what trucks made here are sold in the UK … there is a FTA being sorted between the Uk and Australia … check out the aussie government website … the Canzuk and the RAEP , are what the uk want to join also the TPP, your beloved EU are not doing jot on this side of the world … the UK are fully aware the money is now in Asia and the finaicnal sector of Singapore … and the UK want a big slice of it.

Ain’t Kenworth part of Paacar[emoji6]

Sent from my truck

Really not sure, but I have looked and don’t see any truck maker well builder in Australia selling to the UK as assumed by the opening poster. …

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Dipster:

discoman:
There are 3 truck makes over here in Australia, Paacar, Volvo and Kenworth, others such as Sterling or frieghtliner are merc … I am not sure what trucks made here are sold in the UK … there is a FTA being sorted between the Uk and Australia … check out the aussie government website … the Canzuk and the RAEP , are what the uk want to join also the TPP, your beloved EU are not doing jot on this side of the world … the UK are fully aware the money is now in Asia and the finaicnal sector of Singapore … and the UK want a big slice of it.

I really am no expert but I doubt that many “standard” trucks would satisfy Australian needs. I am pretty sure that the Volvos sold there are quite special- the Volvo staff in Australia have a lot of input in to the design. I wonder how many makers anywhere would have anything suitable in their standard catalogue to adequately meet Australian needs. Am I wrong?

People do need to get away from the myth of vehicles not suitable for Australian roads, my main drive is a Mitsubishi shogun… made in Japan, no different to the Model made for uk roads etc … trucks over here have a twin shell driver ie, 8 tyres to tractor rear… I have driven a kenworth, awful trucks to drive cramp and lack of space in the cab, etc … but alas. They would be fit for use on uk roads, like nearly all European made vehicles are… seems German cars, the paint loves to peel and fade faster lol .

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discoman:
People do need to get away from the myth of vehicles not suitable for Australian roads, my main drive is a Mitsubishi shogun… made in Japan, no different to the Model made for uk roads etc … trucks over here have a twin shell driver ie, 8 tyres to tractor rear… I have driven a kenworth, awful trucks to drive cramp and lack of space in the cab, etc … but alas. They would be fit for use on uk roads, like nearly all European made vehicles are… seems German cars, the paint loves to peel and fade faster lol .

Tell us more about the lack of space.
youtube.com/watch?v=XUBTlnPtEa0

As for Euro or Jap motors why is it that most/all Vauxhall badged Holdens here have appreciating residual values.

Or for that matter how many 13 year old Euro made trucks with more than 1,000,000 kms are still worth around £30k ? . :bulb:
truckworld.com.au/used/flat- … 07/1561131

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Can we have a new free trade deal with Brazil. They have a huge automotive industry, Fiat Chrysler Jeep. Ford. Volkswagen. BMW. Scania. They have been producing cars for our market for 20 years. We already buy orange juice, chickens and coffee from them.