DoYouMeanMe?:
So…If we can just tranlate the above into Flemmish everything will be a lot easier.
It will already have been translated into each of the languages of the EU, seems like coppers are worse than drivers when it comes to actually reading the regulations. I wonder if they operate on the MMTM* rules as well?
it would be nice if it was a wind up unfortunatly
this is a true fact,as regards getting done, I
will post any reply that i get back from the VOSA
here as soon as they deliver a answer■■?
AND me i will just carry on doing what my employer
tells me to do,as he refuses to pay any fines
that we get,
brit pete:
it would be nice if it was a wind up unfortunatly this is a true fact,as regards getting done, I will post any reply that i get back from the VOSA here as soon as they deliver a answer■■? AND me i will just carry on doing what my employer tells me to do,as he refuses to pay any fines that we get,
I agree with your employer, if any driver is daft enough to pay that fine he shouldn’t get the money back.
NO Neil he states we must carry a
printout with us,if driveing a vehicle
with the disc system and have driven
with the drivers card before, when
doing work outside of Germany,
It’s also EU law that you must not hinder anyone traveling between member states. Try going through UK immigration control without a passport then. Legally you don’t need one, but in practice…
They have no EU quota in law for ■■■■ (for personal use) as EU tax has been paid in one member state, but again, they invent one at UK ports even though the government said they must stop doing it.
I’ve just come back to this and re-read the whole lot again. (Yes, sad I know… )
I couldn’t help but notice that brit pete started off with something like it’s the law and it’s laid down and finally
(well, maybe not ) he seems to have settled on really, it’s only my company’s policy. Did anybody else notice that Since I’m only pulling Pete’s leg, I’ll not do direct quotes, but the opportunity is there for those who would.
Pete, when you finally hang up your truck keys, a glittering career in politics awaits…
dave if you read the posts from a few of the other members who have also
reported how the belgians work then you will perhaps realise that also all
of themember states of the EU interpret the rules quite differently
andas i put yes it is not arequirement to carry a printout when doing mixed
driveing however mateas the GERMAN (H&S) ofice said you have two choices
either carry a printout or try getting any fines back paid via the court,
The best reason however to carry a printout is ,it saves problems as regards
loseing time due to being stopped from moveing and money either in fines or work lost due to any delays incurred,
i did say that my company works this way and so doquite a few other companys
here in germany ,
brit pete:
the GERMAN (H&S) ofice said you have two choices either carry a printout or try getting any fines back paid via the court,
Three choices, refuse to pay it until they back down, which they will have to do as no offence has been committed so they cannot even fill out the paperwork correctly. What exactly are they going to put down for the offence?
brit pete:
The best reason however to carry a printout is ,it saves problems as regards loseing time due to being stopped from moveing and money either in fines or work lost due to any delays incurred,
I’m paid by the hour so they can stop me from moving as long as they like and I wouldn’t be losing any money in fines as I wouldn’t be paying it.
brit pete:
i did say that my company works this way and so doquite a few other companys here in germany ,
So instead of standing up to these con artist, these companies take needless printouts, using quite expensive, for what they are, paper rolls? Good job the Germans didn’t have that lie down, roll over and submit attitude in the '40’s or they would never have won the war.
You must admit Pete in your first posts you insisted it was the law and now you are saying it is just a pointless exercise carried out by your company, and a few others. Big U-turn there, as Dave said you would make a great politician.
sorry Neil, i agree i made mistake when i did belive it was
the law, i also admitted when i found out that was
incorrect,but i HAVE not said that it is a pointless
exersize as by carrying out the iinstructions of my employer
we do not suffer any problems when we get checked
and have been doing mixed driveing,so as far as i am concered
yes it is not a requirment by LAW ““BUT”” IF thsi makes my work
easyier to do then yes, i will do it, Until i only drive a digital
equipped vehicle daily, when we get rid of all our older vehicles,
This morning while driving up from Calais I was approaching teh big lay-by just before Jabbekke when a man in a bright orange don’t knock me down coat stepped out into lane 1 and started waving his light sabre at me.
“Oh, deep [zb]ing joy”, I thought. “A control, just what I need when I have been up since 11:30 last night and have the raging hump, this could get messy.”
I did my best to behave and produced all the documents etc he wanted to see. I was given a clean bill of health so asked him if he could answer a question for me.
“If I can”, he replied.
“If I had been driving a vehicle without a digital tachograph today, would I have needed to produce printouts covering the last 28 days for you to check?”
“No it is not necessary, all the information for checking is on your driving card.”
So, Pete’s boss or the horses mouth, I know which one I’m going with.
Neil that was nice to hear, and yes you got it from the horses mouth
however as i posted drivers have been fined,and although it is not
required by EU rules and regs, if it saves me haveing problems then
sorry i will carry on carrying a printout when doing mixed driveing,
IF any one thinks this is pointless ,thats okay by me, here is a
answer to my e-mail to VOSA; Looks like they reading the books before
giveing a answer,
–
Good Afternoon,
Thank you for your enquiry, I am awaiting a response from the Enforcement office, once received I shall let you know,
Regards
Liz
Niel i agree as i posted before that it is not a requirment as regards the LAW
but as the german office said you have two choices,if you get stopped,
and I will take the easy option all ways, as i can,t afford to stand and
wait around until one of the two partys involved gives in,
Neil:
“If I had been driving a vehicle without a digital tachograph today, would I have needed to produce printouts covering the last 28 days for you to check?”
Did they want to check all 28 days worth of your tachos on that check then Neil ?
Neil:
“If I had been driving a vehicle without a digital tachograph today, would I have needed to produce printouts covering the last 28 days for you to check?”
Did they want to check all 28 days worth of your tachos on that check then Neil ?
No, he asked for a printout of that day, Monday, and from my previous working day, which was the Friday. He didn’t ask me to remove my card for checking and he didn’t put a control card into the unit. Just checked the 2 printouts as well as the usual stuff such as CMR and permit then sent me on my way, after he was good enough to answer my question.
No, he asked for a printout of that day, Monday, and from my previous working day, which was the Friday. He didn’t ask me to remove my card for checking and he didn’t put a control card into the unit. Just checked the 2 printouts as well as the usual stuff such as CMR and permit then sent me on my way, after he was good enough to answer my question.
Shame you didn’t ask him if he had a card reader. As had you have been in an analogue tacho motor, you wouldn’t have been able to supply the printouts. Heard they get a bit stroppy then… Suppose you could always carry the printouts with you
I’ve just come back to this and re-read the whole lot again. (Yes, sad I know… 
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