fuse:
Just looked at video again ,good job the bike did not look to his right at the roundabout he would have run into the tanker he is a fool,when he was looking to his right all the time he never looked at his nearside, I cycle all over the place but I have never had even a near miss.His type get bikes a bad name allover the road squeeze inbetween traffic at lights ,you name it he will have done it…■■■■■■■■■
That I agree on, but that wasn’t the question 
jUST LOOKED AT IT AGAIN ,…HE THOUGHT HE COULD BEAT THE TANKER ACROSS THE ROUND ABOUT AND FAILED…PUT THE LYCRA AWAY MATE YOUR PAST IT …THERE WAS A CHEAP SIT UP AND BEG ON E BAY MORE IN YOUR LINE
fuse:
Just looked at video again ,good job the bike did not look to his right at the roundabout he would have run into the tanker he is a fool,when he was looking to his right all the time he never looked at his nearside, I cycle all over the place but I have never had even a near miss.His type get bikes a bad name allover the road squeeze inbetween traffic at lights ,you name it he will have done it…■■■■■■■■■
I said about him not looking to the left ages ago.
marcustandy:
Cruise Control:
could some one sum them all up in 3 or 4 bullet points
- There’s a Jock guy who rides around on his push-bike, wearing a helmet-cam, looking for trouble.
- He posts his video footage on YouTube, trying to look like some kind of peoples/cyclists champion.
- He found the trouble he was looking for in the form of a (zb)ing big tanker that, but for 20cm (oooh the drama!), would’ve killed him.
- The tanker driver gets us all a bad name; he was big-style in the wrong.
- The cyclist didn’t help matters at all by his actions and is due some of the blame also.
- The cyclist is an annoying nobber, as shown in his YouTube ‘I love me’ collection.
* The cyclist also screams far worse than either my 7 or 12 year old girls.I think that about covers it!
LMAO
i POINTED IT OUT FIRST… AND I NOTED PRICK WAS NOT IN BIKE LANE
No matter where the cyclist was looking or not looking, the trucker should have seen it and worked out that there was the possibility of a collision especially with a much more vulnerable road user.
In this case the cyclist was supposed to be a good rider but the same situation could easily occur with a young inexperienced cycle rider which is why any driver should be more aware of their vulnerability.
As I put in my earlier post, the view was probably marred by the blind spots on the truck to which the driver should be aware of and make efforts to look around them or this driver miscalculated the timing of the meeting between their vehicle and the cyclist.
Any way this is spun it always comes out the same - the driver and not the cyclist was responsible for the situation that ensued.
As for who crossed the line first - it makes no odds.
If the LGV driver was on a DSA test and they saw a fast vehicle approaching from a right entry onto the roundabout but knew that, although their truck would enter the roundabout first, the faster vehicle would be impeeded by them, then that is a test fail.
There are some situations where LGVs have to slightly inconvenience other road users when using busy roundabouts or junctions but for a LGV to cause a serious inconvience is not safe driving.
fuse:
i POINTED IT OUT FIRST… AND I NOTED PRICK WAS NOT IN BIKE LANE
Im pretty ■■■■ sure you didnt. Your first comment was
fuse:
I HAVE LOOKED AT VID AGAIN YOU ARE GOING TO FAST AND DID NOT ALLOW FOR TANER NOT SEEING YOU. ANOTHER TIP TRY DEFENSIVE RIDING
My comment, a few posts after said about him not looking to his left enough.
Your second comment:
fuse:
What is that lane for on the nearside of the bike
I shant carry on.
Hi Guys,
It’s been very interesting reading. First off, I think there have been a lot of very sensible comments on here. Obviously there have been a few crazy ones.
Anyone who ‘actually’ knows me, knows that I don’t just dismiss those who disgree with me. I have actually changed my cycling over the years in response to comments I have received. I think I am a much better cyclist as a result, with room for improvement of course! However, those who suggest that I ‘threw’ myself towards the HGV are obviously a long way from reality. I am a husband, and father of 3 (my youngest is just 6 weeks old). I can assure you I have every reason to try and keep safe!
I’m here because I have always had a great respect for HGV drivers. Pop over to cyclechat and search my comments about HGVs. the vast majority of them will be compliments. I have always found that in general HGV drivers are the most likely to give me room and respect on the road. I think a lot of that comes from HGV drivers awareness of the danger that their vehicle could possess if driven poorly. The danger was well demonstrated by the video that I posted.
I’ll make a few quick comments and then I’ll be happy to answer some questions (although with the in-laws here at the moment, my access to the internet is limited!).
Because of the approach of the two roads, I had a good view of the tanker on approach to the roundabout. This didn’t require any head turning. I thought on approach that the tanker was slowing, and I thought the driver had made eye contact with me. I also entered the roundabout a good number of seconds before the tanker entered.
I had absolutely no intention of asserting my ‘right of way’ or racing the tanker. Had I thought the tanker was going to do what he did, I certainly would have slowed earlier. I misjudged his intentions, however, I beleive with the information I had available that I made a reasonable decision to enter the roundabout. Of course with hindsight…
I should also point out to those who suggest that I was going to fast, despite the tanker driver driving VERY recklessly, I still managed to stop in time. That in itself suggests that my speed was reasonable.
Oh and whilst I certainly don’t have any experience of driving an HGV (although I would love to gain the experience) I do drive a car and I do pay VED etc.
magnatom:
Hi Guys,It’s been very interesting reading. First off, I think there have been a lot of very sensible comments on here. Obviously there have been a few crazy ones.
Anyone who ‘actually’ knows me, knows that I don’t just dismiss those who disgree with me. I have actually changed my cycling over the years in response to comments I have received. I think I am a much better cyclist as a result, with room for improvement of course! However, those who suggest that I ‘threw’ myself towards the HGV are obviously a long way from reality. I am a husband, and father of 3 (my youngest is just 6 weeks old). I can assure you I have every reason to try and keep safe!
I’m here because I have always had a great respect for HGV drivers. Pop over to cyclechat and search my comments about HGVs. the vast majority of them will be compliments. I have always found that in general HGV drivers are the most likely to give me room and respect on the road. I think a lot of that comes from HGV drivers awareness of the danger that their vehicle could possess if driven poorly. The danger was well demonstrated by the video that I posted.
I’ll make a few quick comments and then I’ll be happy to answer some questions (although with the in-laws here at the moment, my access to the internet is limited!).
Because of the approach of the two roads, I had a good view of the tanker on approach to the roundabout. This didn’t require any head turning. I thought on approach that the tanker was slowing, and I thought the driver had made eye contact with me. I also entered the roundabout a good number of seconds before the tanker entered.
I had absolutely no intention of asserting my ‘right of way’ or racing the tanker. Had I thought the tanker was going to do what he did, I certainly would have slowed earlier. I misjudged his intentions, however, I beleive with the information I had available that I made a reasonable decision to enter the roundabout. Of course with hindsight…
I should also point out to those who suggest that I was going to fast, despite the tanker driver driving VERY recklessly, I still managed to stop in time. That in itself suggests that my speed was reasonable.
Oh and whilst I certainly don’t have any experience of driving an HGV (although I would love to gain the experience) I do drive a car and I do pay VED etc.
If you had good sight of the tanker, did you not compute the speed at which it was coming to the round about, it not slowing down, and it carrying on going before? I would have, and would have slowed down before.
My next question for you Magnatom, is which way were you going at the round about. If you were going straight on, why were you in what looks like the right lane? A few people have commented on this. From what i saw i thought you made a right at the round about. You went straight on.
Can you comment on that please? I dont think you have done.
Now, Magnatom, your not going to come on here, start a fuss and get another driver sacked are you?
JoeG:
If you had good sight of the tanker, did you not compute the speed at which it was coming to the round about, it not slowing down, and it carrying on going before? I would have, and would have slowed down before.
My next question for you Magnatom, is which way were you going at the round about. If you were going straight on, why were you in what looks like the right lane? A few people have commented on this. From what i saw i thought you made a right at the round about. You went straight on.
Can you comment on that please? I dont think you have done.Now, Magnatom, your not going to come on here, start a fuss and get another driver sacked are you?
Before I answer your questions Joe, I should point out to everyone else on here that Joe, for some reason took a dislike to me on another cycling forum. He was generally quite abusive and as a result I decided to put him on that forums ignore list (it meant I didn’t have to read his abuse). I know I was not the only forum member to have problems with Joe…
You point out what you would have done. Well done for your excellent anticipation and riding skills…of course you weren’t there and any guess at what you would and wouldn’t have done is that, just a guess. I had good reason to assume that the tanker was going to stop. It didn’t. I misjudged, however, I had good reason for this.
I was going straight on (third exit on this 5 exit roundabout). If you can point out where the lanes are on the roundabout, I will happily tell you which lane I took (hint it is a single lane roundabout).
As for getting a driver sacked. You are, as always completely misinformed. I have never had a driver sacked. This was a lie that was spread by a bus driver who took a particular dislike to cyclists and myself in particular. I confirmed that no driver was sacked by contacting the company in question (First Buses). First actually were pleased that I pointed out some bad driving by one of their drivers (who had a warning only) and as a result the company took part in a ‘Give Cylists Room’ campaign with me.
magnatom:
JoeG:
If you had good sight of the tanker, did you not compute the speed at which it was coming to the round about, it not slowing down, and it carrying on going before? I would have, and would have slowed down before.
My next question for you Magnatom, is which way were you going at the round about. If you were going straight on, why were you in what looks like the right lane? A few people have commented on this. From what i saw i thought you made a right at the round about. You went straight on.
Can you comment on that please? I dont think you have done.Now, Magnatom, your not going to come on here, start a fuss and get another driver sacked are you?
Before I answer your questions Joe, I should point out to everyone else on here that Joe, for some reason took a dislike to me on another cycling forum. He was generally quite abusive and as a result I decided to put him on that forums ignore list (it meant I didn’t have to read his abuse). I know I was not the only forum member to have problems with Joe…
You point out what you would have done. Well done for your excellent anticipation and riding skills…of course you weren’t there and any guess at what you would and wouldn’t have done is that, just a guess. I had good reason to assume that the tanker was going to stop. It didn’t. I misjudged, however, I had good reason for this.
I was going straight on (third exit on this 5 exit roundabout). If you can point out where the lanes are on the roundabout, I will happily tell you which lane I took (hint it is a single lane roundabout).
As for getting a driver sacked. You are, as always completely misinformed. I have never had a driver sacked. This was a lie that was spread by a bus driver who took a particular dislike to cyclists and myself in particular. I confirmed that no driver was sacked by contacting the company in question (First Buses). First actually were pleased that I pointed out some bad driving by one of their drivers (who had a warning only) and as a result the company took part in a ‘Give Cylists Room’ campaign with me.
I love the first bit.
My dislike was taken to you and others in your little clique(you think theres not one? Ive spoken to new members on other forums and their opinions have been the same of the forum, but you and your chums wont appreciate that will you?). It came along with you and your over reacting, and ‘love’ of cycle craft book.
Oh, i also dislike your high pitched voice when you scream at car drivers.
Now, onto my questions.
You said that you saw the lorry approaching. At what looks like a decent speed. Now personally, i would have looked around the island, then looked at the tanker more. It hadnt yet stopped(i know that just because something has stopped it doesnt mean it wont go but…) so could have easily had a driver not paying attention, not seen the round about, been drunk etc. By taking it that you have made eye contact, its going to stop is quite a mis judgement. Dont you think? Have you never had someone make eye contact with you, but just go anyway?
Now, as for the round about being from a single carriageway, so it only has one lane. I can name a few round about that come from a single carigeway, but it just turns into a 2 lane round about.
Lowdham Island, where the A612 crosses the A6097), is a good example and one which i go through pretty much every day. The A612 is a single carriageway. The road is perfectly wide, and so is the lanes around the round about. This makes it have 2 lanes. The inside one for going right and straight on(although going straight on turns back into a single carriageway but you can just about filter in in time normally) and the outside one for going left or straight on.
There are NO markings on the road. Drivers just use common seance and it splits open.
The A611 that bypasses Hucknall is another one. It has at least one island where the single carriageway turns into a round about with two lanes. Same theory as above. You naturally pick which side of the road in which you need to be on(usually using the right hand side for going right)
There was no need to give me the hint. There are no road markings for two lanes on the round abouts i mentioned. I can give you a link to them for you to view aswell, if you dont think i am right? It shows clearly two cars, side by side, with no lane marking in between, using common seance.
Your right i wasnt there, but all im saying is you could have easily made that 20cm much bigger. Dont you think?
And no, im not always misinformed. 
Edit: And Magntom, one of the things i was taught when i learnt to drive was that if something happens, on the road, then you should analyse what you did, how you could of stopped the situation or been safer, handled it better, and learn from it.
Sorry if i appear to be wrong on this.
Alright ROG you win, about best answer on here…but the bike actions did not help
fuse:
Alright ROG you win, about best answer on here…but the bike actions did not help
Many situations out on the road could be avoided by one or more of the road users involved if all the ‘WHAT IFs’ had been considered and an action plan for each was ready.
Wow, that was one brown trousered moment. It’s clear to me that the tanker driver was chiefly to blame, and that in a Scania as well (I always found that the mirrors on Scanias present a significantly reduced blind spot). But, speaking as a cyclist as well as a truck driver, I wouldn’t have taken that route through the island, I’d have gone round the edge. At the end of the day, no matter who is in the right, a cyclist has a duty to him/her self to ride defensively, and if it means an involuntary ‘give way’, so be it, at least you’re still alive.
Both parties should give thanks for their survival and move on, wiser for the experience, the cyclist anyway. It was pretty harrowing to watch the clip, but I think, nessesary viewing, to reinforce the road safety message. 
papermonkey:
speaking as a cyclist …I wouldn’t have taken that route through the island, I’d have gone round the edge.
That was my original take but then I realised that the cyclist was forced over to the center by the truck
ROG:
papermonkey:
speaking as a cyclist …I wouldn’t have taken that route through the island, I’d have gone round the edge.That was my original take but then I realised that the cyclist was forced over to the center by the truck
I certainly was forced closer to the island, however, I would never cycle around the edge. By cycling near the edge you actually place yourself at more risk of being pulled out on. You are placing yourself out of the main focus of the oncoming driver, and you are also placing yourself closer to the oncoming vehicle, leaving less time to react to any stupid pull outs.
In the highway code in the UK it specifically points out some of the additional risks that you run by cycling at the edge.
JoeG:
Now, onto my questions.
You said that you saw the lorry approaching. At what looks like a decent speed. Now personally, i would have looked around the island, then looked at the tanker more. It hadnt yet stopped(i know that just because something has stopped it doesnt mean it wont go but…) so could have easily had a driver not paying attention, not seen the round about, been drunk etc.
Once again, well done on your excellent cycling. Or should I say, well done on your excellent armchair cycling. Having viewed others videos and having my own I can appreciate how easy it is to say what you would do yourself. However, the reality is very different, especially considering that the video is only part of the story, i.e. my visual field is significantly larger than the FOV of the camera. Do you think I only look within the FOV of the camera?
By taking it that you have made eye contact, its going to stop is quite a mis judgement. Dont you think? Have you never had someone make eye contact with you, but just go anyway?
Now, as for the round about being from a single carriageway, so it only has one lane. I can name a few round about that come from a single carigeway, but it just turns into a 2 lane round about.
Lowdham Island, where the A612 crosses the A6097), is a good example and one which i go through pretty much every day. The A612 is a single carriageway. The road is perfectly wide, and so is the lanes around the round about. This makes it have 2 lanes. The inside one for going right and straight on(although going straight on turns back into a single carriageway but you can just about filter in in time normally) and the outside one for going left or straight on.
There are NO markings on the road. Drivers just use common seance and it splits open.
The A611 that bypasses Hucknall is another one. It has at least one island where the single carriageway turns into a round about with two lanes. Same theory as above. You naturally pick which side of the road in which you need to be on(usually using the right hand side for going right)
There was no need to give me the hint. There are no road markings for two lanes on the round abouts i mentioned. I can give you a link to them for you to view aswell, if you dont think i am right? It shows clearly two cars, side by side, with no lane marking in between, using common seance.
No road markings means there are no separate lanes. However, that does not necessarily mean that drivers will not use a road ‘as if’ there is more than one lane if it is wide enough. Nothing wrong with that. But how a road is used depends on it’s layout, traffic speed etc.
Have a look at this
maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=milngav … 1&t=k&z=19
Make sure the labels are off. Have a look at where the road is dirty and where it is cleaner. How many lanes are actively used by cars at this roundabout in the direction that I am traveling? (North to south). Would it not be wise as a cyclist to prevent overtakes and undertakes by controlling the active lane?
Your right i wasnt there, but all im saying is you could have easily made that 20cm much bigger. Dont you think?
And no, im not always misinformed.
With hindsight, absolutely. I could have left a huge gap. Actually being there, and not having hindsight, no. I think I did rather well given the circumstances and the very poor driving by the tanker driver.
magnatom:
As for getting a driver sacked. You are, as always completely misinformed. I have never had a driver sacked. This was a lie that was spread by a bus driver who took a particular dislike to cyclists and myself in particular. I confirmed that no driver was sacked by contacting the company in question (First Buses). First actually were pleased that I pointed out some bad driving by one of their drivers (who had a warning only) and as a result the company took part in a ‘Give Cylists Room’ campaign with me.
And I remember the crap you caused on THAT bus drivers forum
DAF95XF:
magnatom:
As for getting a driver sacked. You are, as always completely misinformed. I have never had a driver sacked. This was a lie that was spread by a bus driver who took a particular dislike to cyclists and myself in particular. I confirmed that no driver was sacked by contacting the company in question (First Buses). First actually were pleased that I pointed out some bad driving by one of their drivers (who had a warning only) and as a result the company took part in a ‘Give Cylists Room’ campaign with me.And I remember the crap you caused on THAT bus drivers forum
Ha! It wasn’t me causing that! It was that so called paramedic bloke who was also apparently a police woman and was also apparently a bloke from Hamilton, who was claiming that I was a drink driver! Madness! 
For anyone wanting to know the story behind this (it is quite amusing) have a look at this entry in my blog (The Mind of a Helmet Camera Cyclist: The Day I became Famous/Infamous...... ish)
It’s amazing how emotionally charged people are when it comes to cyclist/bus/car/HGV interactions! 
firstly i totally agree with magnatom.
i know i am and most of us on these forums are fully qualified hgv/lgv drivers. now i was taught during my training beware of cyclists always expect the unexpected. now if i was the tanker driver at no time would i have pulled out on the cyclist dont matter who’s at the line first, always give way to the cyclist, and thats just my attitude to get the {zb’s} away from me.
if magnatom has a camera on his helmet then good for him if it highlights bad driving.
as for joeg or whatever his name is, the only time i see you post is when a cyclist is mentioned and suddenly you as always jump on your high horse, dont start having a go at magnatom on this forum bringing over your crap from other boards.
thank you magnatom on coming on here to give your side.
We all have a duty to look after ourselves and other roadusers. Some people seem to forget this, like cyclists that refuse to use cycle paths and ride on main roads without lights. Pedestrians that walk on roads after dark wearing dark clothing.
It is no good being in the right if you are dead. Look after number one.