JoeG:
Tramper:
Joe , your really not worth the time to reply. Have fun on your BMX.
Look deary, your wrong with MOST things you say. You dont seem to be capable of reading correctly. Your now going to rtry and ignore me as i have proved your wrong and you are a t…
But nevermind, ill just sit here and laugh at youWhat is worrying is you drive a lorry(maybe, do you really? Or do you just wish you did, or pretend you do?)
bobthedog:
I only pick on grammar and punctuation if I feel like being a pedant, or when there is a good reason. You are no angel when it comes to it, and I doubt anyone gets it right all the time. It is entirely irrelevant anyway.I hope it has been noticed by them, and I hope they join here so we can hear their points of view. I would, in particular, like to hear the subject of this thread explain how he felt he could challenge a 44 tonne vehicle, regardless of the right of way issue. You see, his ego may be monumental but it is still going to lose against a truck.
He was lucky not to be squished, that much is true, but he is a drama queen and that is equally undisputed. I will not watch his clips so he doesn’t get the penny from my click.
I would never agree that you should be able to squish anyone, but every time someone does get caught by a left turning truck at a set of lights it becomes something else for the bike brigade to mash truck drivers about, and that scenario is entirely the cyclists fault. While this one wasn’t, neither was it entirely the truck drivers fault, either.
While some are battering all cyclists, cyclists invariably bash all truck drivers. There is an imbalance in the whole argument. Personally, I think cyclists should be forced to sit a test for hazard perception and for road law, and they should have a sticker or plate attached to their cycles to show they have sat the test. In modern road travel, whatever mode is used, there is simply too much traffic to allow particularly vulnerable people to ride as if they either have superpowers or that God is on their side. A real, recognizable test would help, and it would educate cyclists in the art of road use. Many lack that particular ability or talent.
Cyclists on all roads are classed as vehicles and have the same rights has Cars,Vans and HGVs, ohhh forgot Motorbikes. just wished the HGV driver on the video watched the adverts on TV about double checking before you pull out
That the tanker driver was legally in the wrong is not in dispute, but the cyclist was equally able to avoid the potential accident. As Joe said, the cyclist could have made the 20cm a whole lot more by braking in order to avoid a collision. Legally, and according to the highway code, he shouldn’t have needed to, but in order to avoid the close call he still should have been prepared to.
Yes, cyclists have all the same rights as any other road user, but they also have the same responsibilities. These include courtesy and commonsense. Many seem to lack these.
Hi, just a quick one as I’ve really got to earn some money this morning. Bobthedog is quite right, with rights come responsibilities, which ought to be paid for.
More to come when I have the time.
youtube.com/watch?v=naSFIopcd80
Made me laugh…such arrogance deserves it.
and here’s the man himself, planet sized ego and all.
youtube.com/watch?v=LmN1WAUj … re=related
As for beating a bicycle across London at 08.30, of course your right. A car driver would stand no chance due in no small part to the cyclist ignoring all the traffic signals & traffic lights.
This is all getting rather tedious, so I’m bowing out, can we agree to differ? You try not to get in my way, and I’ll try not to run you down. 
Tramper:
Hi, just a quick one as I’ve really got to earn some money this morning. Bobthedog is quite right, with rights come responsibilities, which ought to be paid for.
More to come when I have the time.
You have to pay for courtesy and common sence?
Take it your saving on the common sence? 
Tramper:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naSFIopcd80
Made me laugh…such arrogance deserves it.and here’s the man himself, planet sized ego and all.
youtube.com/watch?v=LmN1WAUj … re=relatedAs for beating a bicycle across London at 08.30, of course your right. A car driver would stand no chance due in no small part to the cyclist ignoring all the traffic signals & traffic lights.
This is all getting rather tedious, so I’m bowing out, can we agree to differ? You try not to get in my way, and I’ll try not to run you down.
Look at the one where the women pulls out on the round about. Now any normal person would swerve to the right whilst braking. He goes to go closer to the car.(42seconds into the vid of the man himself)
Now apparently im making fun of him on here or something or other(so he said on cyclechat) but he appears to just do it himself.
Tramper:
As for beating a bicycle across London at 08.30, of course your right. A car driver would stand no chance due in no small part to the cyclist ignoring all the traffic signals & traffic lights.
Don’t need to be jumping lights and stuff to get somewhere quicker on a bike in London, but some of the riders are nuts I admit, but so are some of the car drivers, some of the pedestrians etc.
Tramper:
You try not to get in my way, and I’ll try not to run you down.
That’s an amazing quote 
As I’ve said, I don’t do much road riding, so the chances of me being in your way are slim, but, if I am in your way on the odd time I’m riding on a road and being aware of what’s around and signalling you when it’s safe to pass (as I’ll be close to the left and able to see round a right bend before you), then it won’t kill you to be patient for a few seconds, but it may kill me if you’re not.
Come on drivers, we’ve all had someone pi55 us off on the road, whether it be a cyclist, a motorcyclist, a car, a bus, a taxi or another wagon.
Just shout and scream and stuff, but stay safe eh 
I didn’t realise at first that the driver was coming from the cyclist’s left and not behind which would have been truly atrocious as I first thought. It must be he just didn’t “notice” him somehow.
Not seeing him would be the only possible excuse for the reality of the driver’s inattention/distraction/impatience or whatever it was that made him execute such a dangerous manoeuvre and this excuse would no doubt have been used at the inquest had the cyclist not taken evasive action.
The cyclist was perfectly within his rights to cycle exactly as he did, apparently at a reasonable speed in built-up area.
There is no compulsion for a cyclist to use a cycle lane, even one properly separated from the road, let alone that excuse for one in the video which ran out at before the incident anyway:-
direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTr … /DG_069837
It is good to see that most people on this (generally pro-trucking) forum realise that this was a reckless bit of driving, totally unnecessary, and which would have gained the driver absolutely nothing apart from possibly a spell in jail. It would never had come to anyone’s attention had the cyclist not had a camera and his experience is the sad reality of traffic today (probably always has been thus). There are after all plenty of cyclists killed or injured in this sort of situation but are many more near misses no-one ever hears about. This one may simply result in a warning for the driver but I doubt it even comes to that despite the evidence. If he knows he did something wrong then he should learn from it and be a better driver otherwise, eventually, something nasty will happen.
More cyclists = fewer cars, surely that should be better for everyone (apart from the motor industry).
Hi there, I hope you guys dont mind me joining in and adding my tuppence as a cyclist.
I would like to say that as a cyclist I’m not out to cause you problems, undertake you at lights etc, and I think the majority of you know this. There are however one or two posters on here that seem to have a real problem with us two wheelers so in an effort to restore faith I decided to post.
I’m not the guy in the video, just a bloke who stumbled across it on youtube and did a google search. I cant see for the life of me why anyone would have a problem with someone using a helmet camera as a safety campaign device (I use a camera myself for insurance purposes, as a member of the CTC it makes these things simpler after a driver has hit you. I suffered the misfortune of trying to prove word against word, and in the end we managed to find a “witness” in the form of shop CCTV)… anyway I digress.
I really cant for the life of me see how this is the cyclist’s fault? If you pause it at one point you can clearly see the cyclist is already on the roundabout and the cab of the lorry is still behind the giveway point. Therefore this is not the cyclists fault, I’m sure many of you agree that a large load needs respect (which is why I would never undertake such a vehicle) not just from cyclists, but from the driver itself.
I do wonder if those that have said “cyclists fault” or “50-50” are somehow trying to make themselves feel better?
Certain complaints have been made on here that we cyclists some how hate you. Please, please, this is nonsense. We are just trying to get to work. It would be pointless anyway as we need you guys - you deliver the food, the goods and drive the economy.
This “road tax”, insurance, tests and reg plates etc… again, please this is the most demoralising thing to bring up. We dont make the laws. We’re just using the roads legally (the majority of us). If you do see someone acting stupidly, dont fall into the trap that “they’re untraceable” - go to the police! You may save someone’s life if you ring 101 and report a problem junction or provide details on a particular rider. Simply complaining to yourself only makes things worse. I have reported people in Bristol and Oxford when I was contracted out there and the Police said they would look into it.
Personally I would rather have 10 of you guys than 1 driver in an ■■■■■■ texting on his mobile.
fuse:
you were going to fast on your bike and did not give tanker enough room, just a tip for you allways allow enough room just in case the driver has not noticed you. better still get the bus
fuse:
The lane on nearside of bike is a bike lane, why does he keep looking over his right shoulder when he was leaving alot of road to his nearside. he should cycle on the pavement like I do
Iv read some bollox on forums before but this just about beats the lot and then some PMSL Did you get your license out of a cracker?
Give way to the right end of
the cyclist was at fault. the tanker was across the white line before the cyclist reached his white line, therefore the tanker had the right of way. the cyclist should have taken into account, the height of the sun, he would have been hard to spot, in fact he would have been invisible to the tanker driver. the cyclist was travelling too fast. but so was the tanker driver.
75% cyclist fault.
25% tanker driver fault.
Benni:
:shock:
Watch this and post your comments and thoughts…
Do you think the tanker driver is plain careless or he generally did not see the cyclist?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y5RZMAxsjg
Could have been catastrophic…
EDIT - just seen that truck came from left entry and not from behind as I first thought
Truck driver at fault for not seeing cyclist which could easily have been a pedestrian not quick enough to avoid
No excuse but possible reason - o/s approach view blocked by o/s mirrors and/or pillar on truck
the cyclist was at fault. the tanker was across the white line before the cyclist reached his white line, therefore the tanker had the right of way. the cyclist should have taken into account, the height of the sun, he would have been hard to spot, in fact he would have been invisible to the tanker driver. the cyclist was travelling too fast. but so was the tanker driver.
75% cyclist fault.
25% tanker driver fault.
I think you should go have another look at the Vid. The Cyclist is across his line before the Tanker and he has right of way.
I’ve been reading this forum for years but never felt like posting as I can’t be bothered with the “He Said” -“She Said” Bull that most threads like this turn into. But Some of the comments that have been posted in responce to this vid are unreal. I thought this Site was for Professional Drivers 
Some of you guys (only a few mind) need a reality check
I would be interested to see some of the views exspressed had A truck been in the cyclists position and a Car had done what the Tanker did. I bet some of you would be whistling a different tune then
the cyclist should have taken into account, the height of the sun, he would have been hard to spot
The Tanker driver should have taken into account that he might have missed something and therefore should have been preparing to stop at the island.
penguin77:
the cyclist was at fault. the tanker was across the white line before the cyclist reached his white line, therefore the tanker had the right of way. the cyclist should have taken into account, the height of the sun, he would have been hard to spot, in fact he would have been invisible to the tanker driver. the cyclist was travelling too fast. but so was the tanker driver.
75% cyclist fault.
25% tanker driver fault.I think you should go have another look at the Vid. The Cyclist is across his line before the Tanker and he has right of way.
I’ve been reading this forum for years but never felt like posting as I can’t be bothered with the “He Said” -“She Said” Bull that most threads like this turn into. But Some of the comments that have been posted in responce to this vid are unreal. I thought this Site was for Professional Drivers
I would be interested to see some of the views exspressed had A truck been in the cyclists position and a Car had done what the Tanker did. I bet some of you would be whistling a different tune then
the cyclist should have taken into account, the height of the sun, he would have been hard to spot
The Tanker driver should have taken into account that he might have missed something and therefore should have been preparing to stop at the island.
you need to watch it a few times to realise that the tanker was over the line first. only just though, but still a point that i felt i ought to share. they were both at fault, but the cyclist was more to blame in my opinion.
there is no point getting upset, just because someone shares an opinion that differs from your own.
Sorry Limey I did not mean to suggest I was upset with your comments. I was referring to some made earlier in the thread. Which were either said just to get a bite or they really are clueless. I have watched the vid more than once and I reackon the Cyclist is on the roundabout first but I guess well just have to disagree on that one.
Now I’ve only been class 1 for 6 years but I’ve done a good few miles in that time and had a few close calls myself (but no accidents). last year I lost a car behind the mirror at an Island in Daventry (FH Mirrors 
)but when I did finally see him I was still able to stop in time. I don’t think that tanker driver has seen the bike yet. He was giving himself no room for error. And what really scares me is that one of these days I might meet him when I’m on my Motorbike (Just as hard to see in that situation) and he trys his best to wipe me out aswell.
Considering he’s ADR qualified and responsible for a potentially dangerous load I’d have expected better from him.
I’m too tired to read all 134 posts…
could some one sum them all up in 3 or 4 bullet points
cheers
Well I think that if the tanker driver had hit the bike and the Police had then used the camera for evidence the tanker driver would have been ■■■■■■ and maybe done for driving without due care and attention…or worse if the accident had been fatal .
Cruise Control:
could some one sum them all up in 3 or 4 bullet points
I think that about covers it!
limeyphil:
penguin77:
the cyclist was at fault. the tanker was across the white line before the cyclist reached his white line, therefore the tanker had the right of way. the cyclist should have taken into account, the height of the sun, he would have been hard to spot, in fact he would have been invisible to the tanker driver. the cyclist was travelling too fast. but so was the tanker driver.
75% cyclist fault.
25% tanker driver fault.I think you should go have another look at the Vid. The Cyclist is across his line before the Tanker and he has right of way.
I’ve been reading this forum for years but never felt like posting as I can’t be bothered with the “He Said” -“She Said” Bull that most threads like this turn into. But Some of the comments that have been posted in responce to this vid are unreal. I thought this Site was for Professional Drivers
I would be interested to see some of the views exspressed had A truck been in the cyclists position and a Car had done what the Tanker did. I bet some of you would be whistling a different tune then
the cyclist should have taken into account, the height of the sun, he would have been hard to spot
The Tanker driver should have taken into account that he might have missed something and therefore should have been preparing to stop at the island.you need to watch it a few times to realise that the tanker was over the line first. only just though, but still a point that i felt i ought to share. they were both at fault, but the cyclist was more to blame in my opinion.
there is no point getting upset, just because someone shares an opinion that differs from your own.
Watched it a few times, truck is NOT across line firtst, check seconds 26 and 27 where you see the cycle enter the roundabout and the truck is NOT there. Time for that eye check before gettin’ behind the wheel of a big truck mate
Just looked at video again ,good job the bike did not look to his right at the roundabout he would have run into the tanker he is a fool,when he was looking to his right all the time he never looked at his nearside, I cycle all over the place but I have never had even a near miss.His type get bikes a bad name allover the road squeeze inbetween traffic at lights ,you name it he will have done it…■■■■■■■■■
