The reason why so many ‘take advantage’ of that so called ‘allowance’ being because most speed limits are unrealistic politically driven bs that have no relationship to conditions.
Yes Carryfast you are quite correct in what you say however how often do you see drivers speeding when the conditions are not suitable. They speed when it is wet, they speed when it is foggy, they travel too close in good conditions and do exactly the same when the conditions change.
The problem is a lot of drivers are not capable of driving to the conditions and that is why we have to be controlled.
Every driver perceives conditions differently so there is no way no matter what the limit is will we get everyone driving safely.
Drivers have brought all this upon themselves because they flout the law at every opportunity and think it causes no harm.
tommy t:
That is in part the reason for this country grinding to a halt, too many drivers who think their speed o meter is giving a true reading , if plod wants to play this childish game then they should roll out calabration FREE OF CHARGE , and include it in the yearly scam the MOT, just think how much more progress we lorrists would make in roadworks if the weary tyre kicking ,wobble box pulling car drivers , that are out on a jolly jape wandering aimlessly up and down the country had calibrated odometers fitted , then all the DSA would have to teach them would be how to maintain a safe distance from the vehicle in front, instead of the speed up hit the anchors rinse and repeat, another cause for tailbacks
You’ve obviously missed the bit where we’ve got a call for a blanket 40 mph limit. 
on the run:
what about speedos actual speed and variables such as :-
- New tyre’s compared to worn one’s which are still legal, Worn tyres will be slightly smaller and give you a higher speedo reading maybe only 1 MPH but. So put new tyres on and get done or drive every were at 65.
- Also Tyre pressure I run my car tyre’s at 40psi but its still safe and legal to run them a 30psi, will effect the speedo reading.
Also as a truck driver I know its safer to keep out the way of any trucks that means driving faster.
Should be a minimum speed limit on motorways for cars of 70mph.
Its just an easy way to making money targeting people for speeding, what about all the lane hoggers?
Are you serious? A minimum speed of 70 mph for cars on a motorway? There would be absolute carnage if that was possible.
Do you not realise some drivers are not capable of concentrating on whats happening at half that speed. They cannot judge distance and have no idea about lane discipline.
As a truck driver you know its safer to keep out of the way of trucks by driving faster! You must be talking about the morons that tailgate cars. 
albion1971:
The reason why so many ‘take advantage’ of that so called ‘allowance’ being because most speed limits are unrealistic politically driven bs that have no relationship to conditions.
Yes Carryfast you are quite correct in what you say however how often do you see drivers speeding when the conditions are not suitable. They speed when it is wet, they speed when it is foggy, they travel too close in good conditions and do exactly the same when the conditions change.
The problem is a lot of drivers are not capable of driving to the conditions and that is why we have to be controlled.
Every driver perceives conditions differently so there is no way no matter what the limit is will we get everyone driving safely.
Drivers have brought all this upon themselves because they flout the law at every opportunity and think it causes no harm.
Great so you apply a strictly enforced 70 mph or even 40 mph limit in all conditions to deal with the problem of those who drive at 70 mph or even 40 mph in thick fog.How is that going to stop them exactly.
albion1971:
Do you not realise some drivers are not capable of concentrating on whats happening at half that speed. They cannot judge distance and have no idea about lane discipline.
Maybe it would be better to sort out the driver training and testing regime in that case.Than applying a blanket 35 mph motorway limit.
albion1971:
A minimum speed of 70 mph for cars on a motorway? There would be absolute carnage if that was possible.
Do you not realise some drivers are not capable of concentrating on whats happening at half that speed. They cannot judge distance and have no idea about lane discipline.
If those some drivers aren’t capable of the levels of concentration required to drive up to 70mph on a motorway or duel carriageway and 60mph on other unrestricted SC’s then they shouldn’t be driving they are a liability to themselves and others never mind them not being able to maintain a safe distance from the vehicle in front , or mirror signal manoeuvre each time they want to change lanes enter &exit said m’ways and also not be petrified of pressing their right foot down hard on the gas pedal and accelerate when joining a motorway or DC, even though some drive the most gutless chariots
Carryfast:
albion1971:
Do you not realise some drivers are not capable of concentrating on whats happening at half that speed. They cannot judge distance and have no idea about lane discipline.
Maybe it would be better to sort out the driver training and testing regime in that case.Than applying a blanket 35 mph motorway limit.
Nothing wrong with that. If there was a problem with the training we would not have any good drivers. I keep telling you it is a basic test and it is up to the driver to continue learning after it. The problem is most do not. They think there way is better.
Why do drivers like to blame everything but thereselves.
tommy t:
albion1971:
A minimum speed of 70 mph for cars on a motorway? There would be absolute carnage if that was possible.
Do you not realise some drivers are not capable of concentrating on whats happening at half that speed. They cannot judge distance and have no idea about lane discipline.
If those some drivers aren’t capable of the levels of concentration required to drive up to 70mph on a motorway or duel carriageway and 60mph on other unrestricted SC’s then they shouldn’t be driving they are a liability to themselves and others never mind them not being able to maintain a safe distance from the vehicle in front , or mirror signal manoeuvre each time they want to change lanes enter &exit said m’ways and also not be petrified of pressing their right foot down hard on the gas pedal and accelerate when joining a motorway or DC, even though some drive the most gutless chariots
And what do we do about the truck drivers that are not capable?
albion1971:
Carryfast:
albion1971:
Do you not realise some drivers are not capable of concentrating on whats happening at half that speed. They cannot judge distance and have no idea about lane discipline.
Maybe it would be better to sort out the driver training and testing regime in that case.Than applying a blanket 35 mph motorway limit.
Nothing wrong with that. If there was a problem with the training we would not have any good drivers. I keep telling you it is a basic test and it is up to the driver to continue learning after it. The problem is most do not. They think there way is better.
Why do drivers like to blame everything but thereselves.
Which still leaves the question is it realistic to suggest that the definition of ‘basic test’ and instruction is only of a standard which covers up to a maximum of 35 mph.In which case how can you justify anything more than a 35 mph motorway speed limit.
Assuming the motorway speed limit is supposedly there to reflect that level of driver standard as you seem to suggest.
As opposed to most out of town speed limits are actually politically driven being there as both revenue raisers and/or to ‘encourage’ the use of alternative transport options like rail.
albion1971:
And what do we do about the truck drivers that are not capable?
I’ll tell you what we do about drivers of ALL classes of vehicles who are not capable, incompetent, or just downright dangerous; it’s a radical idea but it’s a win, win for all concerned, it will make the roads safer and will raise millions for the chancellor!
Here goes; a traffic officer can on his say so order that a driver must sit a retest, this initial retest would be carried out within 14 days and would be Government funded (ie free to the motorist). If the motorist failed his/her licence would be immediately revoked until such time they passed another driving test (funded by themselves). This would dramatically increase the need for both examiners and instructors, who in turn would be paying tax and NI to the Govt coffers, it would also retrain or remove a large number of numpties in one fell swoop.
Of course in order for this to work it would require a real political will not to mention a vast increase in the police presence on our roads, which in itself would bring its own benefits IMO. Can you imagine how people’s behaviour would change if they thought that there was a chance of them having to do a retest?
albion1971:
And what do we do about the truck drivers that are not capable?
Assuming that ‘capability’ levels in question are of the type which you suggest then we obviously wouldn’t have a 90 kmh truck speed limit.
In which case are you saying that you want a 45 kmh truck limiter setting or not.If not why not going by your own definitions.
the maoster:
albion1971:
And what do we do about the truck drivers that are not capable?
I’ll tell you what we do about drivers of ALL classes of vehicles who are not capable, incompetent, or just downright dangerous; it’s a radical idea but it’s a win, win for all concerned, it will make the roads safer and will raise millions for the chancellor!
Here goes; a traffic officer can on his say so order that a driver must sit a retest, this initial retest would be carried out within 14 days and would be Government funded (ie free to the motorist). If the motorist failed his/her licence would be immediately revoked until such time they passed another driving test (funded by themselves). This would dramatically increase the need for both examiners and instructors, who in turn would be paying tax and NI to the Govt coffers, it would also retrain or remove a large number of numpties in one fell swoop.
Of course in order for this to work it would require a real political will not to mention a vast increase in the police presence on our roads, which in itself would bring its own benefits IMO. Can you imagine how people’s behaviour would change if they thought that there was a chance of them having to do a retest?
The problem being that according to Albion the retest will still only cover a standard of no more than half the current national motorway speed limit.
the maoster:
albion1971:
And what do we do about the truck drivers that are not capable?
I’ll tell you what we do about drivers of ALL classes of vehicles who are not capable, incompetent, or just downright dangerous; it’s a radical idea but it’s a win, win for all concerned, it will make the roads safer and will raise millions for the chancellor!
Here goes; a traffic officer can on his say so order that a driver must sit a retest, this initial retest would be carried out within 14 days and would be Government funded (ie free to the motorist). If the motorist failed his/her licence would be immediately revoked until such time they passed another driving test (funded by themselves). This would dramatically increase the need for both examiners and instructors, who in turn would be paying tax and NI to the Govt coffers, it would also retrain or remove a large number of numpties in one fell swoop.
Of course in order for this to work it would require a real political will not to mention a vast increase in the police presence on our roads, which in itself would bring its own benefits IMO. Can you imagine how people’s behaviour would change if they thought that there was a chance of them having to do a retest?
+1 I have been saying something similar for years. Every driver should have a free assessment every 3 years. If they pass they carry on their merry way but if they do not they need to brush up untll they do.
Accident rate would drop and driving standards would improve.
Carryfast:
the maoster:
albion1971:
And what do we do about the truck drivers that are not capable?
I’ll tell you what we do about drivers of ALL classes of vehicles who are not capable, incompetent, or just downright dangerous; it’s a radical idea but it’s a win, win for all concerned, it will make the roads safer and will raise millions for the chancellor!
Here goes; a traffic officer can on his say so order that a driver must sit a retest, this initial retest would be carried out within 14 days and would be Government funded (ie free to the motorist). If the motorist failed his/her licence would be immediately revoked until such time they passed another driving test (funded by themselves). This would dramatically increase the need for both examiners and instructors, who in turn would be paying tax and NI to the Govt coffers, it would also retrain or remove a large number of numpties in one fell swoop.
Of course in order for this to work it would require a real political will not to mention a vast increase in the police presence on our roads, which in itself would bring its own benefits IMO. Can you imagine how people’s behaviour would change if they thought that there was a chance of them having to do a retest?
The problem being that according to Albion the retest will still only cover a standard of no more than half the current national motorway speed limit.
And how do you work that one out einstein.
tommy t:
That is in part the reason for this country grinding to a halt, too many drivers who think their speed o meter is giving a true reading , if plod wants to play this childish game then they should roll out calabration FREE OF CHARGE , and include it in the yearly scam the MOT, just think how much more progress we lorrists would make in roadworks if the weary tyre kicking ,wobble box pulling car drivers , that are out on a jolly jape wandering aimlessly up and down the country had calibrated odometers fitted , then all the DSA would have to teach them would be how to maintain a safe distance from the vehicle in front, instead of the speed up hit the anchors rinse and repeat, another cause for tailbacks
This sums up the idiocy of modern day car ownership … people paying £40,000 and more for a cars brimming with some of the most sophisticated electronic wizardry currently available, but it can’t tell you your speed correctly, sums it all up really. Car entertainment systems that can Skype, Facebook, Email, DVDs, Bluetooth, Climate Control, its just amazing … but wait, it can’t tell you with any accuracy how fast its going … Jeez, you can’t make this sort of stuff up.
albion1971:
The problem being that according to Albion the retest will still only cover a standard of no more than half the current national motorway speed limit.
And how do you work that one out einstein.
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If I’ve read it right you’ve stated that the ‘basic’ instruction/test regime is passing out drivers that can’t handle more than half the motorway speed limit in terms of driving standards ?.
So exactly what is it about any supposed ‘retest’ which would apply the required higher standard and in which case why isn’t that standard applied from day 1.
albion1971:
tommy t:
albion1971:
A minimum speed of 70 mph for cars on a motorway? There would be absolute carnage if that was possible.
Do you not realise some drivers are not capable of concentrating on whats happening at half that speed. They cannot judge distance and have no idea about lane discipline.
If those some drivers aren’t capable of the levels of concentration required to drive up to 70mph on a motorway or duel carriageway and 60mph on other unrestricted SC’s then they shouldn’t be driving they are a liability to themselves and others never mind them not being able to maintain a safe distance from the vehicle in front , or mirror signal manoeuvre each time they want to change lanes enter &exit said m’ways and also not be petrified of pressing their right foot down hard on the gas pedal and accelerate when joining a motorway or DC, even though some drive the most gutless chariots
And what do we do about the truck drivers that are not capable?
trucks are restricted to 90kmph or less, those truck ,and bus drivers who don’t display good driving standards are usually quite able to drive properly, it’s just laziness and complacency that sometimes take over , also remove the muppets or at least the bulk of them those lorry drivers may have a less stressful time on the uk’s roads,therefore also improving their standard of driving
Bluey Circles:
This sums up the idiocy of modern day car ownership … people paying £40,000 and more for a cars brimming with some of the most sophisticated electronic wizardry currently available, but it can’t tell you your speed correctly, sums it all up really. Car entertainment systems that can Skype, Facebook, Email, DVDs, Bluetooth, Climate Control, its just amazing … but wait, it can’t tell you with any accuracy how fast its going … Jeez, you can’t make this sort of stuff up.
I’d doubt if tyre technology could provide a + or - 1 mph tolerance in gearing levels at the circumference of the tyre.What can be/is done is to make a speedometer reading and calibration which over reads sufficiently to cater for that.So yes you can have your strictly applied 40 mph motorway limit. 
Carryfast:
albion1971:
The problem being that according to Albion the retest will still only cover a standard of no more than half the current national motorway speed limit.
And how do you work that one out einstein.
If I’ve read it right you’ve stated that the ‘basic’ instruction/test regime is passing out drivers that can’t handle more than half the motorway speed limit in terms of driving standards ?.
So exactly what is it about any supposed ‘retest’ which would apply the required higher standard and in which case why isn’t that standard applied from day 1.
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Nope as usual you have not read it right. If you care to read again I was saying some car drivers were not capable of driving at half the 70 mph speed limit.
Who said anything about a higher standard apart from you? It is all about basic safe driving and a lot of drivers are not capable of that. Something needs to be done to stop the carnage. 3 yearly assessments would help in a big way showing drivers the errors they make due to complacency or whatever else. Of course you would still get the idiots that think they know better but the majoriy would learn especially if there was money involved.
When a driver passes a basic LGV test he or she is not a very high level and unfortunately some only get worse as we can see by the standards on our roads today.
