I`m sure Tim will be grateful. Poor skint sod!
Well I’m posting an apology for not running around flapping my wings and NOT judging level headed people, what was I thinking? Biggest threat to mankind since … zzzzzzz
the maoster:
Well I’m posting an apology for not running around flapping my wings and NOT judging level headed people, what was I thinking? Biggest threat to mankind since … zzzzzzz
Level headed?
If your head is buried in the sand, it`s your neck that is level with ground!
If you’ve completely lost your head you’ll have no idea where your neck is.
P.S. I can’t see where the WHO says 99.86% recovery rate?
Except on your meme.
Any estimate, especially to 4 significant places, at this stage of a novel disease seems suspect to me.
^^^ wrong experts 
or experts not on the gravy boat 
Franglais:
P.S. I can’t see where the WHO says 99.86% recovery rate?
Except on your meme.
Any estimate, especially to 4 significant places, at this stage of a novel disease seems suspect to me.
99.86% recovery rate would mean death rate of 0.14%, or about 93,000 fatalities in the UK. As we’re already well north of 40000 deaths that would mean (if the 99.86% figure is correct) that about half of us have already caught it…
There is a reasonably easy to follow explanation here fullfact.org/health/covid-ifr-more-01/ along with a note that the real death rate is probably between 0.5% and 1% (with a corresponding recovery rate of 99% to 99.5%)
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Roymondo:
Franglais:
P.S. I can’t see where the WHO says 99.86% recovery rate?
Except on your meme.
Any estimate, especially to 4 significant places, at this stage of a novel disease seems suspect to me.99.86% recovery rate would mean death rate of 0.14%, or about 93,000 fatalities in the UK. As we’re already well north of 40000 deaths that would mean (if the 99.86% figure is correct) that about half of us have already caught it…
There is a reasonably easy to follow explanation here fullfact.org/health/covid-ifr-more-01/ along with a note that the real death rate is probably between 0.5% and 1% (with a corresponding recovery rate of 99% to 99.5%)
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Fullfact are normally as good as it gets. A charity with input from the political parties to try to avoid bias towards one of them.
My final word on this Covid malarky (ok, maybe not my last word )
I, like many of you guys 'n gals know lots and lots of people, many are friends and many are nodding acquaintances, I have yet to meet a single person who’s life has been devastated by Covid. On the other hand I’ve met lots who’s livelihoods and their entire futures have been destroyed by the reactions to it.
Franglais:
I`m sure Tim will be grateful. Poor skint sod!
Don’t give a ■■■■ about Tim tbh (even though to be accurate it was Phil from Greene King who had the pleasure of my patronage).
If helping to keep their businesses open is a by product of me maintaining a reasonably normal life, (whilst wearing my mask to keep you and the others happy) well good luck to them and so be it, especially if the only alternative is wallowing in an environment of paranoia over all this lot, and being afraid of my own shadow, not mentioning any names btw 
Way I see it is nobody is bothering their arses whilst I carry on as normal in my working life, risking catching this crap (and rightly so) so why tf should I live like a sad friendless hermit at weekends, waiting to resume work again on a Wednesday?
See my point Franglais?
(Btw… if not don’t bring in choking geriatric cancer sufferers in to the equation this time, just to embellish your point please mate, ffs. )
Oh yeh, and I had a very enjoyable afternoon yesterday btw . 
On a side note, just enjoyed another pub meal today with my lovely wife…how much of a rebel am I eh Franglais?
the maoster:
https://gbdeclaration.org/
Nice understated piece you’ve screen shot.
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There is, quite rightly, space for disagreement and debate about the best, or least bad, way to handle things.
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Here is another opinion of the quoted experts. Comment is limited to the main signatories, only passing mention of Dr Harold Shipman and Johnny Fartpants.
theguardian.com/commentisfr … half-baked
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But there is little space in my opinion for the misleading figures and spin put out by some. Downplaying the seriousness of this virus can lead to some putting others at risk through ignorance of the true dangers.
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@RobRoy, I dunno what you’re reading, but I don’t think I’m actually writing it. Sometimes anyway.
Saying C19 is serious isn’t the same as saying we all need to hunker down in our own individual bunkers.
I go to pubs or restaurants to eat. I still socialise, but without much hand shaking or kissing now.
I have friends and family in high risk groups. I do need to interact with strangers as most drivers do, and haven’t stopped work, but take what I think are proportionate measures to protect them and others.
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Its easier for all of us if everyone behaves responsibly, a few selfish spreaders can cause hardship for many.
That’s some if the problem with the Barrington ideas. Elderly and ill people need care from younger, fitter, ones. Having communities of oldies isolated from younger people doesn’t seem realistic. Isolating the ill, away from young carers with families is…Well, I can’t see how it’s possible.
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Some of us haven’t known anyone with serious C19?
OK.
So far less than 10%(?) of us have had it, knowingly or not. Maybe 5% have knowingly had it?
Now think again about averages.
5% is one obviously 5 in a hundred.
But that doesn’t mean, every twentieth person has it. That is the average, but it isn’t an even distribution.
It isn’t like having 5 black balls mixed in with 95 white ones and mix them up thoroughly. If you have C19, then probably your wife and kids will too. Maybe a work mate and his family? There is your ten in a hundred. All grouped together. Maybe 50 on that group of 100 will not know those two families.
It isn’t that surprising if you know on one with it.
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The stats showing that oldies lose on average a couple of years off their lives hide a truth. Those that die don’t generally do so peacefully in their beds. They may be intubated and in considerable discomfort. They may be isolated from their loved ones because they are contagious.
A person having cancer treatment has drastically lowered levels of resistance. A dose if normal flu can be much more serious for them than us. C19 can easily kill them. After treatment they can often look forward to years of happy life. But this ■■■■ virus can change all of that.
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Look: I am certainly not in favour of a total lockdown. I am in favour of bring honest that it is a serious threat, especially to some more than others, and we all need to take steps to prevent over spreading it.
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Franglais:
A person having cancer treatment has drastically lowered levels of resistance. A dose if normal flu can be much more serious for them than us. C19 can easily kill them. After treatment they can often look forward to years of happy life. But this ■■■■ virus can change all of that.
I am certainly not in favour of a total lockdown. I am in favour of bring honest that it is a serious threat, especially to some more than others, and we all need to take steps to prevent over spreading it.
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Which part of you can’t hide from a virus didn’t you understand.
A mask or closing the pubs won’t stop a level 4 biohazard.
Flu or even the common cold is more than capable of killing chemo patients.
Even the flu vaccine given to someone else can transmit to them in the same way that Polio can be transmitted by vaccine.
If you’ve been a carer for one you’d know that there’s no way of removing that risk of transmission other than by isolating them in a sterile ward.
So chemo patients aren’t going into any pubs or shops etc.Your point being what.
Franglais mate, take no notice of me, it’s just my nature to take the ■■■■ if I think somebody is taking stuff too seriously.
Yeh ok, I do know it’s serious, but again…it’s my nature to be laid back about stuff, take things in my stride and not get too alarmed,…that is how I deal with stuff.
.I just think that you are appearing a bit obsessive and alarmist mate, to the point of wallowing in it on here…apologies for that theory amusing me.
Ok, initially during furlough,.I was guilty of lapsing and believing every ■■■■ thing I heard on Sky. 
, but on looking around, weighing up the situation, (and getting back to work) I came to my senses and realised the exaggeration was off the scale (imo).
We ain’t too far away on our social scene attitudes, I too am conscious of needing to back off slightly, but I refuse to let this pre.occupy and take over my life…I also have older family members in the vulnerable and high risk bracket, they are doing their best to keep away from it, and taking responsibility for it themselves…with help from me and my kids.
All I’m doing is just getting on with my life as best as I can through all this crap, but there is no way I would fill my head with all the stats, details, and snippets of information that you do, if I did I’d be suffering a complete head ■■■■, worrying about ‘‘What ifs’’ …apart from the fact that it is all mind numbingly ■■■■ boring. 
Sorry mate I’ve got enough issues that ARE happening in my life, to worry about what COULD happen in my life,.and if ■■■■ does prevail, I’ll try my best to deal with it in the best way I can.
Hope that clarifies my situation and my attitude.
robroy:
Franglais mate, take no notice of me, it’s just my nature to take the ■■■■ if I think somebody is taking stuff too seriously.
Yeh ok, I do know it’s serious, but again…it’s my nature to be laid back about stuff, take things in my stride and not get too alarmed,…that is how I deal with stuff.
.I just think that you are appearing a bit obsessive and alarmist mate, to the point of wallowing in it on here…apologies for that theory amusing me.Ok, initially during furlough,.I was guilty of lapsing and believing every [zb] thing I heard on Sky.
We ain’t too far away on our social scene attitudes, I too am conscious of needing to back off slightly, but I refuse to let this pre.occupy and take over my life…I also have older family members in the vulnerable and high risk bracket, they are doing their best to keep away from it, and taking responsibility for it themselves…with help from me and my kids.
All I’m doing is just getting on with my life as best as I can through all this crap, but there is no way I would fill my head with all the stats, details, and snippets of information that you do, if I did I’d be suffering a complete head [zb], worrying about ‘‘What ifs’’
Sorry mate I’ve got enough issues that ARE happening in my life, to worry about what COULD happen in my life,.and if [zb] does prevail, I’ll try my best to deal with it in the best way I can.Hope that clarifies my situation and my attitude.
I don’t get Franglais’ premise.
A mask is like trying to stop a mosquito with a chain link fence.
It’s at its most contagious around 2 days before any symptoms show.
Even if we had random testing without symptoms a person could show clear on testing and then catch it the following day.
I’m of the mindset that like my parents and grandparents in the Blitz.If a parachute mine comes down anywhere in the vicinity it’s gonna be very bad for everyone concerned to a lesser or greater degree.
An air raid shelter is sort of good if a bomb hits the house but not much use if it also hits the shelter and takes out the house.
Also low flying German planes sometimes machine gunning people in the street.
Life just had to go on.
Have to say I’ve been more than bothered just by the seeming potency of cold viruses in recent times.Having more than once had the inevitable clogged lungs from the things after the agonising choking sore throat and referral for x ray usually confirming pneumonia.This zb goes on for at least a month or more when colds as we knew them were usually all gone within a week or so.
I don’t believe any of it is a natural occurrence and mutations.The seeming level of contagion and effects are too much for that.
So I’m as dubious now of being in busy shops and pubs etc as I’ve been for a while before this but it won’t take over my life.
Carryfast:
Franglais:
A person having cancer treatment has drastically lowered levels of resistance. A dose if normal flu can be much more serious for them than us. C19 can easily kill them. After treatment they can often look forward to years of happy life. But this ■■■■ virus can change all of that.
I am certainly not in favour of a total lockdown. I am in favour of bring honest that it is a serious threat, especially to some more than others, and we all need to take steps to prevent over spreading it.
.Which part of you can’t hide from a virus didn’t you understand.
A mask or closing the pubs won’t stop a level 4 biohazard.
Flu or even the common cold is more than capable of killing chemo patients.
Even the flu vaccine given to someone else can transmit to them in the same way that Polio can be transmitted by vaccine.
If you’ve been a carer for one you’d know that there’s no way of removing that risk of transmission other than by isolating them in a sterile ward.
So chemo patients aren’t going into any pubs or shops etc.Your point being what.
My point being, Barrington would allow wider distribution of the virus throughout the younger, fitter part of society. Since the older, more susceptible part of society cannot (In the real world) be isolated from the fitter ones, unneccesssary deaths would happen.
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Maybe it is only delaying the inevitable for some by a few months.
Maybe it is delaying enough to get a vaccine and save some for many healthy years.
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There is no clear correct answer.
I go with the idea to delay the wider spread now, and develop these hundred plus vaccines in development, with some currently in human testing.
Andrew Wakefield: MMR lies, rumours and misunderstandings. Homeopaths and quacks extorting money from the sick. This can be countered by knowledge.
Lives are lost through ignorance.
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The Barrington group don’t deserve being struck off, as Wakefield was, but their ideas are very much in the scientific minority. They should be discussed.
But a balanced argument doesn’t mean all sides get an equal hearing.
If you’re teaching kids how to add up, do you give equal time to the 99 teachers who say 2+2=4, as to the one who says 2+2=5?
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Franglais:
Carryfast:
Which part of you can’t hide from a virus didn’t you understand.
A mask or closing the pubs won’t stop a level 4 biohazard.
Flu or even the common cold is more than capable of killing chemo patients.
Even the flu vaccine given to someone else can transmit to them in the same way that Polio can be transmitted by vaccine.
If you’ve been a carer for one you’d know that there’s no way of removing that risk of transmission other than by isolating them in a sterile ward.
So chemo patients aren’t going into any pubs or shops etc.Your point being what.My point being, Barrington would allow wider distribution of the virus throughout the younger, fitter part of society. Since the older, more susceptible part of society cannot (In the real world) be isolated from the fitter ones, unneccesssary deaths would happen.
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Maybe it is only delaying the inevitable for some by a few months.
Maybe it is delaying enough to get a vaccine and save some for many healthy years.
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There is no clear correct answer.
I go with the idea to delay the wider spread now, and develop these hundred plus vaccines in development, with some currently in human testing.
I believe that a vaccine will fix this about as much as I believe the thing is a natural virus which was transmitted from animals at a food market and a ‘vaccine’ is a guaranteed safe ‘disabled’ ‘virus’ with a guaranteed immuno response to it.I don’t even trust the flu jab let alone this thing.
On the plus side no one has died of old age since March