Carryfast:
Rjan:
…It’s clear that I was making the case that our present system of democracy isn’t fit for purpose.In that there needs to be seperation of decision making on localised issues.IE industrial policy in mining areas for example.Or development policy which should only be decided at local level not MP’s from Lincolnshire deciding on mine closures in Yorkshire and Kent.Or MP’s around the country deciding development policy in the South Eastern counties which should be left to those counties to decide at local council level.
But you haven’t addressed my point that mining is not (and never really has been) an inherently local concern. The Yorkshire miners weren’t just supplying coal for people’s front room fires in the Yorkshire counties - in fact two majors users of coal, electric power generation and steel production, are both national concerns in turn. If the miners were expecting to just supply Yorkshire’s purely local consumption of coal, most of them would be sent down the road jobless anyway, because the scale of employment in coal mining was never based on meeting purely local need.
Meanwhile no surprise that ‘your lot’ wish to turn all that round when it suits you.
It would be nice if you’d point out where I’m flip-flopping when it suits me. As far as I’m concerned I’m being remarkably consistent on democracy.
As in the case of Kahn and Sturgeon wanting to use the idea of self determination when it suits them to overturn a National democratic decision on what is unarguably a National issue in order to impose foreign Federal government on the country and turn it into a state of your USSR.You couldn’t make it up.
I don’t support Scottish nationalism myself, but the point is that if you do support any kind of nationalism, then Sturgeon’s argument makes perfect sense - the Scottish people voted to Remain, so that ought to be their local choice to remain inside the EU if they want to. So too, the London constituencies voted to Remain, so they are entitled to have their local choice respected. The fact that this would smash the national government entirely is no different to how your localism would smash national government (and is intended to smash all higher-level government, because you object to MPs in other constituencies having a say on matters that affect your constituency).
I’m a Remainer but I’m not in favour of any overriding of democracy.
As for Stalin and Hitler I said their invasion of Poland didn’t set them ‘apart’.It showed that they were Socialists acting ‘together’ in a typical Socialist agenda of aggressive expansionist invasion and Federal takeover of a sovereign Nation State among others.
But nobody seriously characterises all the 19th century European empires as “socialist”, just because they were all aggressively expansionist.