Rjan:
Carryfast:
Why wouldn’t/shouldn’t the Irish border be exactly the same border that it was up to 1972 without any problem.Good grief, “without any problem” you say?
With any hard border seperation and filtering if needed done at the mainland ports and airports as it is now in the case of domestic flights passenger or freight v international.
The problem is that Northern Ireland has more border crossings than the Eastern frontier of the EU, and the nationalists simply won’t stand for any physical infrastructure or border checking system on the island of Ireland (and nobody in Norther Ireland wants that scar torn open again).
Or UK residents v EU v non EU ones ?.Remainers and their EU masters are just trying to use it as a red herring to derail Brexit.
It’s not simply control of people, it’s also control of goods, and obviously the unionists will not tolerate a border in the Irish Sea (i.e. customs controls), the nationalists and the Southern Irish won’t tolerate a land border, and the EU will not tolerate at the external frontier the total absence of any border.
As Winseer said the first act should have been to stop our rip off EU payments with immediate effect which would remove the incentive for Tusk etc to keep us in.
All that would attract is sanctions and a diplomatic catastrophe.
Yes without any problem.You know the same border seperating two different sovereign countries which Nationalists like Michael Collins died fighting for and which,combined with the CTA agreement,worked fine until 1972 at least.
What border ‘in the Irish Sea’.The fact is there is no actual border crossing in the sea around UK anywhere whether entering the country from New York or Calais or Ireland North or South. 
The usual formalities apply in that people or freight don’t actually formally enter the country until they’ve crossed the customs points from either air side or dock side and that’s where any necessary border formalities would be carried out.It doesn’t take place at sea.Just as when landing at Heathrow from Belfast means crossing an international frontier by default from air side to the terminal exit and only then recognised as a UK citizen.IE are you saying that a US citizen,flying from JFK to Shannon,then Belfast to Heathrow,wouldn’t face different border checks on landing at Heathrow v their Northern or even Southern Irish counterpart ?.So why the big issue in the case of the similar type of frontier crossing at Cairnryan.While non UK/CTA passengers don’t generally,if ever,enter the UK via Ireland anyway.But you and Starmer already knew all that.
As for your obvious support of the imposition of EU ‘sanctions’,for us stopping payments to the EU,like the non existent border issue,that’s another example of remainers trying to create obstacles where none exist and working against the interests of their own country because they don’t believe in the idea of this country as a sovereign nation state.Their loyalty is to the EU and the EU leadership.Let alone then trying to infiltrate the Leave process by pretending that they are Leavers.So tell us what ‘sanctions’ are they going to impose on us that we can’t retaliate against to better effect ?.While it’s obvious that nothing would change in your view of wanting to hand over our cash to the EU,at the expense of the NHS etc,even ‘after’ Corbyn’s version of so called ‘Brexit’.Which means remain in all but name and which explains why he’s put Starmer in the job of shadow Brexit minister not Hoey.