del949:
There are far too many organisations, most of them paid for by the tax payer, that will take on any case,
Such as ?
ACAS for one, employment courts for another…do you get out much?
Plambert:
del949:
There are far too many organisations, most of them paid for by the tax payer, that will take on any case,
Such as ?
ACAS for one, employment courts for another…do you get out much?
So what you’re saying is let’s get rid of the civil justice system in regards to employment law 
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Why would any employer want to deny an employee the right to a fair hearing in regards to dismissal assuming that the employee has been employed within the time limits of the existing rules .
Carryfast:
del949:
Know what you mean but Cam & Cleggy aren’t going to be too pleased with dissent from a Cabinet Minister
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Wrong, Cleggy will be delighted.
He is desperate to get some blue water between the Lib/dems and the Tories, simply because he sees the ratings that Cameron and the Tories are polling.
He knows that bar a miracle the Tories will be in a much weaker position at the next election and wants to get some seperation, hoping that the manure won’t stick to him.If that’s right del all he’s got to do is take his whole sorry bunch across the floor to the Labour side hopefully with a few others from the other parties and bring the government down on every move it makes from now on until it’s in the same position as Callaghan was.
They haven’t got the bottle because they know that it’s the German bankers who are calling the tune on Britain’s economic policy and as soon as they see their Tory mates go under they’ll tell us what the ‘real’ figures are and how much we really owe and then we’re in the same,or worse, position as Greece.Unless,unlike the Greeks,we’ve got the sense to default and tell the bankers and their global free market economy that we’re finished with it and they’ll only get there money back when we’ve earn’t it not before.
The fact is all the political parties are too frightened to tell the bankers that it’s the government that rules the country not the bankers.
So true!
But today I have told a bank that due to my unexpected unemployment for no good reason that I will not be making any further payments on said credit cards. If they require any redress they can sue my former employers (dheadsl) for any amounts owed and any distress caused by them. I am looking to move to Greece asap!
Awaiting a response! 
ACAS for one, employment courts for another…do you get out much?
and thats it?
ACAS rarely, if ever, get involved in individual cases. their role is far more concerned with large scale issues.
The courts, well you cannot claim that they assist the employee as their purpose is soley to decide who is right. They also act on behalf of the employer on occaisions.
there are a great number of people out there who make a ‘living’ from claiming unfair dismissal.
You have managed to come up with two spurious groups, where are your “great number making a living” ?
Most no-win, no-fee lawyers do not, or are reluctant to, get involved with industrial cases, except in cases of injury through negligence etc.
CAB will give advice, but as far as I am aware they will not go to tribunal for an employee, however I will allow correction on that one.
…and your sarcastic remark proves nothing at all
fredthered:
Carryfast:
del949:
Know what you mean but Cam & Cleggy aren’t going to be too pleased with dissent from a Cabinet Minister
.
Wrong, Cleggy will be delighted.
He is desperate to get some blue water between the Lib/dems and the Tories, simply because he sees the ratings that Cameron and the Tories are polling.
He knows that bar a miracle the Tories will be in a much weaker position at the next election and wants to get some seperation, hoping that the manure won’t stick to him.If that’s right del all he’s got to do is take his whole sorry bunch across the floor to the Labour side hopefully with a few others from the other parties and bring the government down on every move it makes from now on until it’s in the same position as Callaghan was.
They haven’t got the bottle because they know that it’s the German bankers who are calling the tune on Britain’s economic policy and as soon as they see their Tory mates go under they’ll tell us what the ‘real’ figures are and how much we really owe and then we’re in the same,or worse, position as Greece.Unless,unlike the Greeks,we’ve got the sense to default and tell the bankers and their global free market economy that we’re finished with it and they’ll only get there money back when we’ve earn’t it not before.
The fact is all the political parties are too frightened to tell the bankers that it’s the government that rules the country not the bankers.
So true!
But today I have told a bank that due to my unexpected unemployment for no good reason that I will not be making any further payments on said credit cards. If they require any redress they can sue my former employers (dheadsl) for any amounts owed and any distress caused by them. I am looking to move to Greece asap!
Awaiting a response!
If you lose your job, and default all your unsecured debts, there’s not a damned thing anyone can do about it. No different from Greece really. 
Defaulted credit cards like Greek Bonds are like losing betting slips. They have zero value which becomes apparent as soon as the debtor refuses to make payments out of less than a living income, which is somewhat higher than what JSA provides most people with.
If the individual’s credit card & other unsecured loan debts are high enough, it actually pays more than a good redundancy package to deliberately lose the job, just so you can walk away from say, £100k worth of debts you could barely make the minimum payments on when one HAD a job!
You might call it “Tactical Redundancy”. Even if you get an irregular job, there’s no need to resume payments again, any more than Russia did once they started coining it in from Gazprom and the like after their big default in the 1990’s. The only recourse creditors have is to try and take your house, which they can’t do if another lender you have not defaulted holds the mortgage bond. They might attempt a charge on the property, but this costs a lot, and only raises money IF there is considerable equity in the property. Right now, there is a move to downsize around the country, which I believe is a lot of people taking pay cuts and job losses attempting to reduce the equity in their properties so that they can default unsecured debts as soon as the job finally goes. This downsizing is making smaller properties rather overpriced, and medium properties a bit on the cheap side. Look for correlation between the unemployment rate and the differential between 2up2down houses and 3 bedroomed semis in the same street for an example in your own area. 
Winseer:
… Look for correlation between the unemployment rate and the differential between 2up2down houses and 3 bedroomed semis in the same street for an example in your own area.
Around this area the reason for that is that the buy to let market is booming and there is competition for a lower number of what is considered first-time-buyer houses, whereas there’s a glut of 3-bed semis which don’t do so well in the rental market.
Carryfast:
del949:
Know what you mean but Cam & Cleggy aren’t going to be too pleased with dissent from a Cabinet Minister
.
Wrong, Cleggy will be delighted.
He is desperate to get some blue water between the Lib/dems and the Tories, simply because he sees the ratings that Cameron and the Tories are polling.
He knows that bar a miracle the Tories will be in a much weaker position at the next election and wants to get some seperation, hoping that the manure won’t stick to him.If that’s right del all he’s got to do is take his whole sorry bunch across the floor to the Labour side hopefully with a few others from the other parties and bring the government down on every move it makes from now on until it’s in the same position as Callaghan was.
They haven’t got the bottle because they know that it’s the German bankers who are calling the tune on Britain’s economic policy and as soon as they see their Tory mates go under they’ll tell us what the ‘real’ figures are and how much we really owe and then we’re in the same,or worse, position as Greece.Unless,unlike the Greeks,we’ve got the sense to default and tell the bankers and their global free market economy that we’re finished with it and they’ll only get there money back when we’ve earn’t it not before.
The fact is all the political parties are too frightened to tell the bankers that it’s the government that rules the country not the bankers.
No disrespect as some of your recent posts have been half sensible 
but I think labour shafted the working man as much and maybe worse as they should be the working mans party.
i once worked for a fella that would have loved this new law 
kr79:
Carryfast:
del949:
Know what you mean but Cam & Cleggy aren’t going to be too pleased with dissent from a Cabinet Minister
.
Wrong, Cleggy will be delighted.
He is desperate to get some blue water between the Lib/dems and the Tories, simply because he sees the ratings that Cameron and the Tories are polling.
He knows that bar a miracle the Tories will be in a much weaker position at the next election and wants to get some seperation, hoping that the manure won’t stick to him.If that’s right del all he’s got to do is take his whole sorry bunch across the floor to the Labour side hopefully with a few others from the other parties and bring the government down on every move it makes from now on until it’s in the same position as Callaghan was.
They haven’t got the bottle because they know that it’s the German bankers who are calling the tune on Britain’s economic policy and as soon as they see their Tory mates go under they’ll tell us what the ‘real’ figures are and how much we really owe and then we’re in the same,or worse, position as Greece.Unless,unlike the Greeks,we’ve got the sense to default and tell the bankers and their global free market economy that we’re finished with it and they’ll only get there money back when we’ve earn’t it not before.
The fact is all the political parties are too frightened to tell the bankers that it’s the government that rules the country not the bankers.
No disrespect as some of your recent posts have been half sensible
The surprising thing is,in that,we’ve found something that we can agree on. 
Heath’s government up to 1973 compared to Callaghan’s up to 1979 for example.A lot of the blame for that can be put on the Union leadership and the TUC at the time for backing two losers in Wilson and Callaghan instead of giving Shore a chance.