Yet more aid going to those fake refugees at calais

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tommy t:
Calais madness: 'Migrants so lawless troops should deal with them' | World | News | Express.co.uk And i think this is the first bit of common sense that i have heard from the French. Bring in the army , and give them the right to protect themselves using deadly force if need be without the fear of prosecution

Another indication that the Socialists are in office but it’s the FN who are in power.It seems obvious that if/when Le Pen can kick Hollande and the rest of his pro immigration cronies out the Gendarmarie will get the orders it needs to finish the job. :bulb:

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Dolph:

tommy t:
Of course they stop being refugees once they leave the first safe country to head for uk ect , just because that safe country doesn’t provide housing, ect, None have any right to be able to come into other countries , but the likes of Italy have not helped in this by issuing them with visas, that allow them to travel to other EU countries, and merkel must have a mental problems

How come Italy issues them visas? In Bulgaria if refugee status is granted the refugee can not leave the country if not specifically allow, can not live in address different then the one Government agree them to live at. Heck, they cant even go and work in EU once they get status. They get Refugee ID card, can work and live only here until they become BG citizens(it takes 8 years for refugees).
Maybe that’s one of the many reason combined with being poor country that they avoid us, compared to Italy, Greece, France.

P.S. We are accepting refugees under UN law :unamused:

Merkel’s plan is obviously all about changing the demographics of those parts of Europe which her old Stasi cronies would see as being most strategically important.Which obviously means western Europe not east Europe.Hopefully Europe’s historic ( correct ) pre disposition towards nationalism will throw a spanner in the works of her plans before it’s too late.While ironically your pro EU anti immigration stance shows the typical contradictions of Slavic nationalism in being Federalists when it suits them and being Nationalists when it doesn’t.

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Terry T:
We need to keep Muslamic Ray Guns out of Britain :smiley:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIPD8qHhtVU

Looks more like a staged mainstream media and false flag Socialist Worker type anti anti immigration publicity stunt. :unamused:

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M20 is really ■■■■■■ tonight,

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Carryfast:

Dolph:

tommy t:
Of course they stop being refugees once they leave the first safe country to head for uk ect , just because that safe country doesn’t provide housing, ect, None have any right to be able to come into other countries , but the likes of Italy have not helped in this by issuing them with visas, that allow them to travel to other EU countries, and merkel must have a mental problems

How come Italy issues them visas? In Bulgaria if refugee status is granted the refugee can not leave the country if not specifically allow, can not live in address different then the one Government agree them to live at. Heck, they cant even go and work in EU once they get status. They get Refugee ID card, can work and live only here until they become BG citizens(it takes 8 years for refugees).
Maybe that’s one of the many reason combined with being poor country that they avoid us, compared to Italy, Greece, France.

P.S. We are accepting refugees under UN law :unamused:

While ironically your pro EU anti immigration stance shows the typical contradictions of Slavic nationalism in being Federalists when it suits them and being Nationalists when it doesn’t.

BS, when you gonna stop with your BS about Slavic this Slavic that. I’m anti illegal immigration which has nothing to do with immigration at all. Do you make any difference■■? Yes its suits me to be nationalist when we are being invaded by illegal from the middle east, you may like it in UK, don’t know after the comments of another guy, that he preferred Afghani instead of EE migrants. But certainly we don’t and doing whatever we can to stop them. But when the western EU is giving them so many benefits and comforts is hard to stop them. And yes I’m pro EU, we live in the same continent, we share similar values, culture and trade, there is nothing wrong in EU as common market. Yes its not perfect but is better then nothing or half of Europe to be split in half like before 1989. If you don’t like it(being in EU) LEAVE it, its you right, but stop bashing how bad it is and there is no positives in the union.
I don’t want my kids and myself to have to put up with this BS ever, do you? Or shell we bend over, clear the fence with Turkey and send them all to the West :unamused: :unamused:

google.bg/search?q=muslim+p … ests+in+UK

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Carryfast:

While ironically your pro EU anti immigration stance shows the typical contradictions of Slavic nationalism in being Federalists when it suits them and being Nationalists when it doesn’t.
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BS, when you gonna stop with your BS about Slavic this Slavic that. I’m anti illegal immigration which has nothing to do with immigration at all. Do you make any difference■■? Yes its suits me to be nationalist when we are being invaded by illegal from the middle east, you may like it in UK, don’t know after the comments of another guy, that he preferred Afghani instead of EE migrants. But certainly we don’t and doing whatever we can to stop them. But when the western EU is giving them so many benefits and comforts is hard to stop them. And yes I’m pro EU, we live in the same continent, we share similar values, culture and trade, there is nothing wrong in EU as common market. Yes its not perfect but is better then nothing or half of Europe to be split in half like before 1989. If you don’t like it(being in EU) LEAVE it, its you right, but stop bashing how bad it is and there is no positives in the union.
I don’t want my kids and myself to have to put up with this BS ever, do you? Or shell we bend over, clear the fence with Turkey and send them all to the West :unamused: :unamused:

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Dolph:

Carryfast:
While ironically your pro EU anti immigration stance shows the typical contradictions of Slavic nationalism in being Federalists when it suits them and being Nationalists when it doesn’t.

BS, when you gonna stop with your BS about Slavic this Slavic that. I’m anti illegal immigration which has nothing to do with immigration at all. Do you make any difference■■? Yes its suits me to be nationalist when we are being invaded by illegal from the middle east, you may like it in UK, don’t know after the comments of another guy, that he preferred Afghani instead of EE migrants. But certainly we don’t and doing whatever we can to stop them. But when the western EU is giving them so many benefits and comforts is hard to stop them. And yes I’m pro EU, we live in the same continent, we share similar values, culture and trade, there is nothing wrong in EU as common market. Yes its not perfect but is better then nothing or half of Europe to be split in half like before 1989. If you don’t like it(being in EU) LEAVE it, its you right, but stop bashing how bad it is and there is no positives in the union.
I don’t want my kids and myself to have to put up with this BS ever, do you? Or shell we bend over, clear the fence with Turkey and send them all to the West :unamused: :unamused:

google.bg/search?q=muslim+p … ests+in+UK

The idea of having a common interest v an arguable common enemy in the form of an obvious invasion of Europe by a possible/probable hostile alien culture doesn’t alter the idea of friends with fences applying in all cases regardless.

On that note you concentrate on looking after yourselves while it’s up to us to sort out our own home grown bleeding heart Socialist and cheap labour pro immigration agenda on our own borders.That also obviously applies wether it’s migration from Eastern Europe or Asia.

As for Eastern Europe opening the door and ‘sending them all to the west’ that obviously all seems to be part of Merkel’s plan anyway.Although obviously for different motives.In her case probably as part of some long ago drawn up Stasi plan.While in yours saying that either we maintain an open door immigration policy regards Eastern Europe or you’ll open the flood gates and allow Europe to be flooded by that alien hostile invasion,which is happening anyway throughout the Balkans.

On that note I’ve been predicting a situation in which Serbia etc would wave through an Arab/Islamic invasion of ‘the west’ as payback for our support of the Islamic cause v the Serbs in the former Yugoslavia.Which ironically yet again seems to have been a case of us trying to further the suicidal,possibly already infiltrated,interests of the EU,at the expense of our own.As opposed to us turning a blind eye and letting the Serbs sort out their own back yard. :unamused:

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Well the petition against immigration was debated yesterday in parliament, what a waste of time when they are all pro immigration socialists who don’t have a clue what is really going on, with the bunch of morons running the show we are doomed

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Just a point of fact : not all socialists are internationalists or pro immigration .

In the case of Parliament the vast majority are Liberals . The wishy washy hand wringing center ground whether lib lab or tory .

Whats needed is a politician with a sense of right and wrong , and an ability to represent the views of his constituents . regardless of his politcal affiliations

However i cant think of a single example in house of commons

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tommy t:
Well the petition against immigration was debated yesterday in parliament, what a waste of time when they are all pro immigration socialists who don’t have a clue what is really going on, with the bunch of morons running the show we are doomed

It’s obvious that it was,as expected,just a biased confirmation that the country’s government has been hijacked by the socialist and cheap labour Con alliance.Ironically as usual with the Socialists happy to go along with the Cons using the excuse that British workers aren’t good enough to have a policy of British jobs for British workers.While it’s clear that the anti EU side of the Cons are all about stopping EU immigration to make room for the import of yet more even cheaper Asian labour. :unamused:

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boredwivdrivin:
Just a point of fact : not all socialists are internationalists or pro immigration .

Feel free to explain which part of Socialist ideology respects the idea of the nation state and/or doesn’t share an agenda of workers of the world unite to the point of disregard of national borders.Often including on the basis of wealth re distribution which moves those in the poorest areas to the richest and/or foreign aid in whatever form.

Bearing in mind that Hitler was about as close as your idea ever got.Which in reality as expected fell at the first hurdle of respect of national borders and the nation state.While just selecting a different type of social engineering,in that of extermination of any ethnic/national group,or anyone else,not considered to be worthwhile to the good of the greater Socialist cause,including in that case even ethnic Germans,instead of that of the usual workers of the world unite with abolition of national borders and wealth redistribution.A similar trait shared with Socialist China’s and the Soviet Union’s version.

IE Socialist ideology by definition means no respect of the nation state and national borders and an agenda of Social engineering in one form or another.As such it is a,malignant,degenerate,dangerous political group that maybe arguably should even be criminalised just as McCarthy rightly said.

youtube.com/watch?v=dcXNXKtu8z4

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There is a contradiction between wanting to export workers rights TO workers in there own country …

And wanting to IMPORT those workers to enjoy those rights here .

Tony Benn might be an example ( altho i have no wish to debate him !!) of someone who did not want Britain to take over the world to further socialism .

The Indian Communist Party , and the tensions with Indian Communist Party (lenin/Marxist) is an example of tensions between internationalist/ purely nationalist socialist beliefs .
They may have formed military Alliances with Russia , but this was a counterweight to tensions (3 wars) with China . They were purely hindu nationalists in 50 years they held power (democratically) in eastern india . there is not 1 example of them acting internationally . they had no desire to .

Anyways , i was pointing out to gentleman above that Liberals (lib/lab and tory flavour liberals) have done far more damage to this country with their flip/flop philosophies than Socialism ever has .

Perhaps because socialism has not had the chance you could argue …

…but its Liberals who have in fact inflicted the wounds

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boredwivdrivin:
There is a contradiction between wanting to export workers rights TO workers in there own country …

And wanting to IMPORT those workers to enjoy those rights here .

Tony Benn might be an example ( altho i have no wish to debate him !!) of someone who did not want Britain to take over the world to further socialism .

The Indian Communist Party , and the tensions with Indian Communist Party (lenin/Marxist) is an example of tensions between internationalist/ purely nationalist socialist beliefs .
They may have formed military Alliances with Russia , but this was a counterweight to tensions (3 wars) with China . They were purely hindu nationalists in 50 years they held power (democratically) in eastern india . there is not 1 example of them acting internationally . they had no desire to .

Anyways , i was pointing out to gentleman above that Liberals (lib/lab and tory flavour liberals) have done far more damage to this country with their flip/flop philosophies than Socialism ever has .

Perhaps because socialism has not had the chance you could argue …

…but its Liberals who have in fact inflicted the wounds

Well said

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Thank you .

I need the support .

As i have a nasty feeling im about to get Carryfasted !

Im all ready regretting mentioning Boring Benn . Its a big target for him to shoot at .

Im just hoping he will concentrate on my central point that it is the Liberals who have shafted us …

Not Socialism ( altho ive no doubt they would have given the chance)

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Some good arguments above many of which i agree with , unfortunately we have the three party system and an electorate incapable of thinking outside the tribal camps they’ve become defaulted to.
It really doesn’t matter which of the three parties get in, nor if there was a coalition of two or even all three, there is no difference worth mentioning.

We as usual have a house of commons stuffed to the gills with those whom the electorate continue vote for and richly deserve, i wish they wouldn’t but they insist on doing so.We have a house of lords stuffed with placements from the last 40 years of the above.
You just know this country deserves to die, and it will, when the idiot that is the electorate can put someone like Lucifer Blair into number 10 three times in a row.

They’ll do the same again in the referendum, despite it being obvious to anyone who is capable of independent thought that we desperately need to rid ourselves of the European Union, they will vote to stay in and they put one of the two major parties (probably the tor unconservative party) back into number 10 in 2020, and they still be wondering why (if they have the slightest clue) that our national debt has climbed to a new record high, and they’ll still be believing may and cameron (or boris or Heaven forbid osborne) when they spout utter drivel about curbing immigration and fixing the economy.

You out there are the only ones who can change anything, if you won’t grow a set of ■■■■■■■■ and do the bare minimum of voting scoundrels liars and traitors out then you deserve your just fate.

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Just learned about a so called charity called CaravansforCalais, some misguided woman from Scotland was going on about the need for at least 1000 old caravans to be in Calais before Xmas to keep the poor poor would be illegal immigrants warm and dry and she was/is going to take her old one across. Why Xmas ? they don’t celebrate it ! Bet the locals in Calais approve of that idea.

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boredwivdrivin:
There is a contradiction between wanting to export workers rights TO workers in there own country …

And wanting to IMPORT those workers to enjoy those rights here .

Tony Benn might be an example ( altho i have no wish to debate him !!) of someone who did not want Britain to take over the world to further socialism .

The Indian Communist Party , and the tensions with Indian Communist Party (lenin/Marxist) is an example of tensions between internationalist/ purely nationalist socialist beliefs .
They may have formed military Alliances with Russia , but this was a counterweight to tensions (3 wars) with China . They were purely hindu nationalists in 50 years they held power (democratically) in eastern india . there is not 1 example of them acting internationally . they had no desire to .

Anyways , i was pointing out to gentleman above that Liberals (lib/lab and tory flavour liberals) have done far more damage to this country with their flip/flop philosophies than Socialism ever has .

Perhaps because socialism has not had the chance you could argue …

…but its Liberals who have in fact inflicted the wounds

Firstly you need to ditch the idea that ‘workers rights’ are mutually exclusive with Capitalism and can only be thought of as being the reserve of Socialism.

Then go a bit further in the realisation that the only thing that Socialism actually stands for is its own ideology based on everyone is equal but some are more equal than others.With the definition of ‘equal’ being the lowest common denominator and as I said being mutually exclusive with the idea of the nation state.

As for Benn,as I’ve said,like your own arguments,he reached the point where I was shortly before I saw the light and completely ditched the Socialist ideology in favour of Nationalism.IE every thing that you’ve described is the dawning realisation of Nationalist ideology over Socialist.Unfortunately some take longer to see the light in then ditching Socialism.Like so many others,in Benn’s case,unfortunately that was more than his lifetime.

In which case the questions you need to ask yourself is why would Nationalism not be considered as being conducive with workers rights,and would you have preferred to be a worker and union member,in 1960’s America,working under the Fordist Capitalist system.Or would you prefer to be a Russian or East European worker in the day or a Chinese worker now in 21st century China.Having taken the Socialist ideology to its logical conclusion ?.

As for the diversion of ‘Liberal’ like Hitler’s,Stalin’s and Mao’s etc version that is just another form of Socialism.While as I’ve said what we’re in now is the worst of all worlds combination of exploitative non Fordist Capitalism and Socialism in whatever form.

While sadly for the Nationalist side it looks like the Socialists are going to win this fight by silencing their opposition.In which case god help future generations of the indigenous population. :open_mouth: :frowning:

dailyreadlist.com/article/france … slim-re-98

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youtube.com/watch?v=zVhzu7iIgtY

youtube.com/watch?v=wYaemFkEj0M

youtube.com/watch?v=yMLdGaK0g8s

And some have the nerve to call Chamberlain an appeaser. :imp: :imp: :unamused:

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tommy t:
Well the petition against immigration was debated yesterday in parliament, what a waste of time when they are all pro immigration socialists who don’t have a clue what is really going on, with the bunch of morons running the show we are doomed

My comments above were originally addressed at this gentleman who was talking about ‘parliament’ meaning England/Britain and being ‘pro immigrant SOCIALISTS’

My point was they are pro immigrant LIBERALS .

I think that is the case . And it is the case that Liberals have caused our current woes .

The wider argument about socialism / nationalism is irrelevant to us here now

Our predicament is/was caused by liberals : Thatcher , Major , Blair , Brown and Cameron and their respective administrations . ( i have not included Heath or Wilson as they are Not responsible for out current woes, and may not have been liberals)

They are all guilty , to greater or lesser extent , for signing away our sovereinty with successive treaties with Euro Socialist project members .

And they are all liberals

I bet that woman with her caravans is not actually a socialist . she is a bloody liberal .

The people who want everything to be nice and soft and fluffy and safe …

Forgetting that forces greater than liberalism or socialism mean actually we must feel pain and suffer …

Evolution and Mother Nature .

And evolution tells us if the bums in calais have moved beyond their source of food and water they will die .

Survival of fittest means they have not been good enough to survive , and their weak genes have been irradicated .

The liberals will want to stop this happening . fiddle with mother nature at your peril

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I beg to differ, Heath was the first of the traitors, he knew exactly what was involved, from the start.

He was the one who sailed us into the common market knowing full well that the plan was for full integration in stages, had to be done in stages as we still had a strong patriotic element in the 70’s who would not have voted yes in the referendum had they known the true plan.
Vast sums of money were thrown at the in campaign, those who benefit being dragged out of their counting houses to frighten the proles into voting the right way.
The same will happen this time, wait and see, it’ll all come to a crashing end if we pull out etc etc.

Me, i’ve got a bit more faith in the good old Tommy, we stood on our own before, and ended up defending the rest when the Germans last tried european ■■■■■■■■■■, at gunpoint previously, by economic bullying this time.
As before for Germany, wrong person wrong time, Merkel has made another grave error opening up German borders to millions of migrants who in many cases are anti western and will not assimilate, the idea being to make the rest of the EU pay their share of Merkels bright idea…why?..and then issue them with EU passports and force other EU countries to take millions too.
She’s dropped a bollock though, Hungary and Czech Republic aint doing as they’re told, and unless Dave folds and he probably will so desperate is he to win the referendum for the In side, not everyone is doing as they are told.
Her big mistake is breaking European law by allowing millions of migrants in on just her say so, such are the actions of a dictator, as is plain for all to now see.
Apparently Turkey realise they’ve got her by the short and curlies and £3bn and a nod and wink to EU membership (supported by Cameron) isn’t enough of a bung, watch this space.

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Well i bow to your greater knowledge and include Heath too . but from memory i thought he genuinely thought he was joining a trading union , which on its own would have been a good thing . but as i say i bow to your greater knowledge , and chuck the old pervert into the liberal cess pit too .

However i dont understand why you say Merkel has broken european law by encouraging immigration ■■?