ERF MAN:
[A while back I couldn’t get parked the other side of Reims, tried two services and three airs all jammed up. To leave one service I had to wake an EE out of his bed at 3am to move his truck, I didn’t enjoy that, he was in the same boat as me. And one more thing the government are happy for us to drive on the most dangerous lane of the motorway but not sleep on it when we’re desperate
But unlike you, he didn’t give a toss about blocking your access or exit, otherwise you’d have pulled up behind him and sod everyone else, you kept going obviously til you found somewhere to park, maybe you started looking sooner so weren’t so up against it, maybe you just have a more collegiate mindset
eddie snax:
Seriously though, this practice of parking and parking on the hardshoulder are a new phenomenon, I don’t remember this going on 10 years ago, do you , so what’s different in the last decade or so
That’s easy, 10 more years of increasing traffic, coupled with same 10 years of the Government ignoring the fact that there is a chronic shortage of SUITABLE parking places, along with same 10 years of existing places closing and dwindling away.
It will only get worse this year and every other year until the problem is addressed.
True but why have some of these places (industrial estates) been put out of bounds, that’s usually because the landlords got sick of cleaning up the mess.
Why should my employer factor in the cost of overnight parking when pricing work, and others don’t, then because they don’t the drivers park illegally and dangerously
ERF MAN:
[A while back I couldn’t get parked the other side of Reims, tried two services and three airs all jammed up. To leave one service I had to wake an EE out of his bed at 3am to move his truck, I didn’t enjoy that, he was in the same boat as me. And one more thing the government are happy for us to drive on the most dangerous lane of the motorway but not sleep on it when we’re desperate
But unlike you, he didn’t give a toss about blocking your access or exit, otherwise you’d have pulled up behind him and sod everyone else, you kept going obviously til you found somewhere to park, maybe you started looking sooner so weren’t so up against it, maybe you just have a more collegiate mindset
Well Eddie Snax, I can’t argue with a single word of that. Dougie
Seriously though, this practice of parking and parking on the hardshoulder are a new phenomenon, I don’t remember this going on 10 years ago, do you , so what’s different in the last decade or so
ps How many Industrial Estates have been put out of bounds in the same time period, granted there are some pretty lousy brit drivers, but the amount of rubbish and human waste being left in parking areas and industrial estates has increased radically, and one by one they get closed down. I’ve noticed today that the laybyes on the A13 and the twin track to Tilbury from the A13 have been closed off, now I didn’t park in them overnight but they were handy whilst waiting for Tilbury VBS bookings. They’ve been there for 20 years, so why shut down now
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As a Norfolk man you must be aware of the lack of parking places. One example, A1065 Fakenham to Barton Mills, a distance of 43 miles, the are less than four towards Fakenham and about three towards BM. On a summer weekend they are generally filled with cars making their way to the North Norfolk coast. Where do you park if you run out of time? The A1075 Thetford to Dereham is the same.
“It upsets me so much, because if I tried that, I’d have plod all over me like there’s a VOSA convention being held in that particular pull-in.”
Cobham Services, J9-10 M25… Under the bridge there’s ALWAYS a foreign wagon parked there, sunday first thing, sunday late at night - so what’s it like during the morning rush hour?
(Don’t tell me… Plod turns up, because they don’t start until 9am, and by that point every last one has long since gone…)
Winseer:
“It upsets me so much, because if I tried that, I’d have plod all over me like there’s a VOSA convention being held in that particular pull-in.”
Cobham Services, J9-10 M25… Under the bridge there’s ALWAYS a foreign wagon parked there, sunday first thing, sunday late at night - so what’s it like during the morning rush hour?
(Don’t tell me… Plod turns up, because they don’t start until 9am, and by that point every last one has long since gone…)
Last Sunday I saw a Romanian registered artic parked in a lay-by, it’s o/s/rear trailer tyre was 75% bald. If it was you or I it would attract the attention of plod or DVSA.
On Monday I spoke to DVSA and asked whether there was a phone number to report such things, the answer was yes during office hours otherwise plod. Yes I can see them being interested in a bald tyre.
Ffs! Some of you lot really ought to get out more .
Why are some of you getting all menstrual about all this crap, if it upsets all of you delicate souls that ‘‘Oh dear these nasty foreigners are getting away with all sorts of things, that we can’t’’
I mean, do you WANT to run around with bald tyres, do you want to park illegally in unsuitable places…No? so IF they get away with it, why bother your arses.
Get on with your own work and worry yourselves about stuff that actually concerns you…But if it really gives you sleepless nights and hot flushes, join the Police
Or better still Shut the ■■■■ up!
Half of you would not know what a night out in a strange country was if it bit you on the arse, the other half think trucking is all about going to Tesco and Travis ■■■■ Perkins.
It’s difficult to get “out” more, when we can’t get “in” to the layby for it being stuffed with foreign wagons in the first place…
Another thing: I’ve never seen a foreign driver handing over payment for staying over 2 hours at a service area… Do they do with MSA parking like single guys in BMWs do with Mother and Baby parking places at the supermarket by any chance?
Winseer:
It’s difficult to get “out” more, when we can’t get “in” to the layby for it being stuffed with foreign wagons in the first place…
Another thing: I’ve never seen a foreign driver handing over payment for staying over 2 hours at a service area… Do they do with MSA parking like single guys in BMWs do with Mother and Baby parking places at the supermarket by any chance?
Winseer mate…Who tf apart from people like you actually g.a.f. ■■?
I also have never seen a foreign driver pay for parking, maybe he does maybe he doesn’t, I have never took any notice, and guess what?..I DON’T CARE !
I don’t own neither an MSA or a ■■■■ supermarket with ‘‘Mother and baby parking places.’’…so it does not concern, bother or depress me…end of.
You must lead a very sad dull boring life if this sort of stuff worries you so much.
Join an action group, stand for Parliament, write a letter to the Daily Express, join the Women’s Institute, start a leaflet campaign, give Jeremy Kyle a bell, there are all sorts of remedies to all this crap, you obviously have lots of disposable time on your hands, and very few real worries.
As for me?
Well I’ll just get on with all the trials and tribulations of my own life,.and leave others to get on with theirs.
The problem as I see it is this. Unfortunately the human race consists of roughly a 75% ratio of thick knob heads. It seems reasonable to assume therefore that 75% of truck drivers are thick knob heads. This very sadly contradicts my rose tinted spectacles view of lorry drivers as a kid, as being superb drivers (the best on the road), and indeed something to aspire to being.
A lack of intelligence therefore leads a lot of drivers to lack foresight. Basic stuff like; If I tear up all the grass verges, will I be welcome back here? Erm…NO. If I urinate and crap all over the place? Still NO. What about littering the gaff? NO again…
So like most things in life, it boils down to intelligence(or lack of). For example- Would a similar percentage of NASA scientists or Heart Surgeons bite the hand that fed them? Doubtful. Yet truck drivers(or should I say SOME truck drivers), have a wonderful ability to make life more difficult for themselves than need be.
The uncomfortable truth folks is that we have many, many low intelligence people who drive trucks. And that is something unfortunately that craps the job up. Hence limited parking. Do a higher percentage of EE drivers throw crap everywhere? The simple answer is that I don’t actually know, but I suspect that some of us SUSPECT that EE drivers have little respect for the UK because it is not THEIR country.
If a driver feels stupid enough to risk being shunted at 56 mph simply to avoid an infringement, then that further underlines the case for empty craniums.
Fincham:
Last Sunday I saw a Romanian registered artic parked in a lay-by, it’s o/s/rear trailer tyre was 75% bald. If it was you or I it would attract the attention of plod or DVSA.
On Monday I spoke to DVSA and asked whether there was a phone number to report such things, the answer was yes during office hours otherwise plod. Yes I can see them being interested in a bald tyre.
You are even worse than Winseer.
Just saw on Conor’s thread that you jacked in driving in 1978.ffs , …that was a year before EVEN I started.
So why would it even give you a second thought let alone make you want to ‘‘Report it’’
Are you an habitual ‘‘reporter’’ in all walks of life, or do you just specialise in tyre wear.
Fincham:
Last Sunday I saw a Romanian registered artic parked in a lay-by, it’s o/s/rear trailer tyre was 75% bald. If it was you or I it would attract the attention of plod or DVSA.
On Monday I spoke to DVSA and asked whether there was a phone number to report such things, the answer was yes during office hours otherwise plod. Yes I can see them being interested in a bald tyre.
You are even worse than Winseer.
Just saw on Conor’s thread that you jacked in driving in 1978.ffs , …that was a year before EVEN I started.
So why would it even give you a second thought let alone make you want to ‘‘Report it’’
Are you an habitual ‘‘reporter’’ in all walks of life, or do you just specialise in tyre wear.
I said I gave up driving full-time. I have done periods of casual driving since then and may continue to do so.
If you think it is acceptable to drive a vehicle with defects that is your choice, I prefer to get the defects rectified before I take vehicles out on the road.
I assume that you spend your waking hours glued to a computer screen, you must be as sad as me.
Fincham:
Last Sunday I saw a Romanian registered artic parked in a lay-by, it’s o/s/rear trailer tyre was 75% bald. If it was you or I it would attract the attention of plod or DVSA.
On Monday I spoke to DVSA and asked whether there was a phone number to report such things, the answer was yes during office hours otherwise plod. Yes I can see them being interested in a bald tyre.
You are even worse than Winseer.
Just saw on Conor’s thread that you jacked in driving in 1978.ffs , …that was a year before EVEN I started.
So why would it even give you a second thought let alone make you want to ‘‘Report it’’
Are you an habitual ‘‘reporter’’ in all walks of life, or do you just specialise in tyre wear.
I said I gave up driving full-time. I have done periods of casual driving since then and may continue to do so.
If you think it is acceptable to drive a vehicle with defects that is your choice, I prefer to get the defects rectified before I take vehicles out on the road.
I assume that you spend your waking hours glued to a computer screen, you must be as sad as me.
No I do not drive with defects, nor think it acceptable (when exactly did I say that?) but neither were you driving with defects, , it was another driver, …and the job of The Police to take any action they deemed necessary, not yours.
I do a lot social activities other than sat at a screen, and a couple of spare time hobbies, however none of them involves reporting people.
Hope that answers your question, and refutes your assumption.
Eagerbeaver…are you sure about this quote : The uncomfortable truth folks is that we have many, many low intelligence people who drive trucks. And that is something unfortunately that craps the job up. Hence limited parking. For your information, it does take intelligence to pass a hgv driving test, to drive these vehicles around the highways and byways of the uk and europe, how they add to the parking woes is beyond me, unless you are assuming that they cannot park and take up 2 spaces instead of one, now that would be restricting.
On the other posts i have to agree with ROB 100 %. Many of us have travelled extensively around europe and down to the middle east, accompanied by nothing but foreigners, we ate out of trailer boxes most of the time, we parked where we thought was a good spot, and where east europeans would be the first to stop and help if you were in trouble…now it seems that because the EU wanted more countries to join the EU ( for trade partners ) we now have trouble across europe parking unless you are parked by 4pm…this is also the same in england…WHY…because just the same as the government couldnt envisage how many east europeans would come to the UK, that they couldnt tell how the transport routes would also require far more trucks to carry those goods, and still couldnt think of where were they all going to park ? or would need a shower, food and toilets…this problem is a europe wide one, that needs to be discussed at eu levels ( the same as migrants/immigrants on the march throughout europe ) but thats another issue.
As for the parking payments, like ROB, i couldnt give a ■■■■ who pays and who doesnt, but the BRITS have no choice because theyre registered in the uk, can be traced, threatened with courts etc…whereas the Foreigners are not, and its too much hassle to send a payment request to their home addresses…for it will end up in the bin anyway. But at the end of the day, can you blame them…its Free to park across europe, why pay in the uk ?..and who wants to pay £20-25-30 to park…thats money you could be receiving as a pay rise ? and many EE drivers are not reimbursed for parking, earn a quarter of what we earn, and they also have to pay a uk road tax of £10 per day. When i worked for a bg registered company, it gave me great pleisure to stop paying for parking at RSA`s…and loved it when some little scrote would ask if i was staying overnight, and when they returned time and time again to get money from me, i loved to tell them i wasnt paying, and to take my registration. Some of them did trace the companies address, and yes, they did get thrown into the bin. Unlike in Germany when you couldnt get out of the country if you owed them money, that was in the good old days when they had borders, and you had to show a passport, and visit the office to get your papers done…and check your fuel ( we had the same rules too, but they were not enforced ) same as France and Belgium stopping drivers from taking a 45 hr rest in their cabs or face a 3000 euro fine…another total disgrace…but there you go.
Starting to report on the condition of others vehicles more so EE drivers is bordering on the ridiculous. Why would anyone bother??
Its up to the driver to make sure his truck is in order and the points/ fine will only be going one way, let whoever just get on with it. Fair enough if theres something hanging off/ broken dragging along the road then just let them know but to actually report defects to authorities like tyres ect… Nah…
There does seem to be a certain dislike to European drivers in the UK and i find that one strange, its certainly not the case over here vice versa, theyre hardly nicking anyones load from Travis Perkins are they
Truckyboy. The ‘intelligence’ required to pass a LGV test is barely anything higher than a car test. An ability to write is not even mandatory.
I am all for my fellow truckers and would never turn my back on helping a fellow trucker out. But I also speak the truth and will never be deterred from doing so.
Perhaps my blunt methods of communication may not sit well with some, but I am not really interested tbh. I am in support of good facilities and parking for us all, and I believe our job is one of importance and responsibility and deserves a good wage based on the risk/responsibility of the job.
But please don’t insult MY intelligence by suggesting that the passing of a LGV test in a 12 tonner auto with a silly little trailer combined with some basic multi choice questions, requires a decent level of intelligence.
AndrewG:
Starting to report on the condition of others vehicles more so EE drivers is bordering on the ridiculous. Why would anyone bother??
Its up to the driver to make sure his truck is in order and the points/ fine will only be going one way, let whoever just get on with it. Fair enough if theres something hanging off/ broken dragging along the road then just let them know but to actually report defects to authorities like tyres ect… Nah…
There does seem to be a certain dislike to European drivers in the UK and i find that one strange, its certainly not the case over here vice versa, theyre hardly nicking anyones load from Travis Perkins are they
The words of a true professional, no problem if the tyres are bald.
What you lot should be getting your knickers in a twist over isn’t East Europeans parking on the hard shoulder, but the total lack of suitable parking for HGV’s in the UK and the woeful lack of police patrolling our road network.
As for East European getting away with driving dodgy trucks, DVSA regularly patrol the M20 and M25 and pull plenty of foreign registered trucks in, they also pull a few in at Dover docks, but of course they don’t catch them all like they don’t catch all the dodgy UK registered vehicles and UK drivers running bent.
Ok there are some dirty EE [zb]'s leave their rubbish and worse, but if they all dirty [zb]'s why aren’t parking areas in Europe swamped with litter, and we have plenty of our own UK born and breed drivers that can give the worst EE driver a run for his money when it comes to being a dirty unhygienic [zb] I know I’ve worked with a few and I know mechanics who refused to get in their trucks.
Councils are also closing laybys on road safety grounds as a truck pulling into a traffic flow without a decent slip road is considered dangerous. I’ve read that on the A14 upgrade they’re only putting in emergency laybys, but instead of setting an areas aside for parking like on the A120 they’ll be even less parking on one of the main freight routes in the UK.
muckles:
What you lot should be getting your knickers in a twist over isn’t East Europeans parking on the hard shoulder, but the total lack of suitable parking for HGV’s in the UK and the woeful lack of police patrolling our road network.
As for East European getting away with driving dodgy trucks, DVSA regularly patrol the M20 and M25 and pull plenty of foreign registered trucks in, they also pull a few in at Dover docks, but of course they don’t catch them all like they don’t catch all the dodgy UK registered vehicles and UK drivers running bent.
Ok there are some dirty EE [zb]'s leave their rubbish and worse, but if they all dirty [zb]'s why aren’t parking areas in Europe swamped with litter, and we have plenty of our own UK born and breed drivers that can give the worst EE driver a run for his money when it comes to being a dirty unhygienic [zb] I know I’ve worked with a few and I know mechanics who refused to get in their trucks.
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Careful mate, you’re letting the truth get in the way of stereotypical inaccurate ■■■■■■■■. The latter is much more entertaining, and makes for more ovine riders on the bandwagon, so don’t be spoiling things with facts.
Winseer:
It’s difficult to get “out” more, when we can’t get “in” to the layby for it being stuffed with foreign wagons in the first place…
Another thing: I’ve never seen a foreign driver handing over payment for staying over 2 hours at a service area… Do they do with MSA parking like single guys in BMWs do with Mother and Baby parking places at the supermarket by any chance?
Winseer mate…Who tf apart from people like you actually g.a.f. ■■?
I also have never seen a foreign driver pay for parking, maybe he does maybe he doesn’t, I have never took any notice, and guess what?..I DON’T CARE !
I don’t own neither an MSA or a [zb] supermarket with ‘‘Mother and baby parking places.’’…so it does not concern, bother or depress me…end of.
You must lead a very sad dull boring life if this sort of stuff worries you so much.
Join an action group, stand for Parliament, write a letter to the Daily Express, join the Women’s Institute, start a leaflet campaign, give Jeremy Kyle a bell, there are all sorts of remedies to all this crap, you obviously have lots of disposable time on your hands, and very few real worries.
As for me?
Well I’ll just get on with all the trials and tribulations of my own life,.and leave others to get on with theirs.
I’m not angry at those of our own profession getting by the best they can - I’m upset about the police who can’t seem to do even a basic level of policing any more in Britain today.
, so what’s different in the last decade or so 
, …that was a year before EVEN I started. 
