Dav1d:
Ours now take off every minute you spend on break, not just your 45.
If you’re on double man runs, the bit where you’re in the passenger is also now deducted from your working time.
that’s legally correct because neither break or POA count as working time
If you do not get paid for POA when not driving on MM then I would use other work or quit and if you do not get paid for breaks recorded over the 45 mins then do not record them and use either other work or POA if legally permitted
I’ve yet to be subject to the new POA rules (new to our office using them) as trunking is one man (+drivers mate for stores) but it’ll be a case of manual entries when swapping driving as opposed to 2 cards in from the start.
In all cases, it’s day rate, whether you do 6 hours or 21.
Why manual entries when all other driver has to do is use slot 2 for digi or swap over analogue cards
Authorities are going to think it odd if cards not used when available
Because Slot 2 always defaults to POA every time the wheels start turning?
Exactly, regardless of what you’re actually doing.
I haven’t a clue, so I thought I’ll look in my diary and work it out after adding up the last couple of months I realised that I would have to add up all the breaks as well, so I didn’t bother. With all the hours I get on break it must be well under the 48 hours.
bald bloke:
How does it cut down on your infringements ?.
I used to get them a lot for breaking 6hr rule due to how the run is set up or when I wanted to take my break ie I could have 4 hours drive, 2 hours poa, 45 minutes work & I wouldn’t need a break until at least 8hrs after start of duty, only driving time to watch out for.
ROG:
What is the problem with POA recording when in slot 2?
For starters, if you are doing the navigating, sorting out the paperwork, making work-related phone calls etc then it’s not POA.
Strictly speaking, can it really be POA when you don’t know in advance how long you’ll be sitting there?
But the main problem comes from your earlier recommendation: “If you do not get paid for POA when not driving on MM then I would use other work…” My point being that you cannot use Other Work unless you do it by means of manual entries.
BillyHunt:
So what you’re saying is that you cannot work out averages?
…and hes at it again. Dipping your toes into the troll pond again, Billy? You just cant resist it, can ya?
Clearly, weeto`s saying nothing of the sort.
What he’s saying is he either cannot, or will not, work out his average hours. It’s simple enough to do with all the truck timers, clocks, apps and things to use. The actros I’m using this week even does it for you, let’s you know daily & weekly driving hours. Despite this there will be plenty drivers that don’t know how to work them out, I asked a simple question. Why does that upset your gentle disposition?
BillyHunt:
So what you’re saying is that you cannot work out averages?
…and hes at it again. Dipping your toes into the troll pond again, Billy? You just cant resist it, can ya?
Clearly, weeto`s saying nothing of the sort.
What he’s saying is he either cannot, or will not, work out his average hours. It’s simple enough to do with all the truck timers, clocks, apps and things to use. The actros I’m using this week even does it for you, let’s you know daily & weekly driving hours. Despite this there will be plenty drivers that don’t know how to work them out, I asked a simple question. Why does that upset your gentle disposition?
Go on then - next time you’re in that Actros, get the tacho to tell you your average working hours for the current reference period.
BillyHunt:
So what you’re saying is that you cannot work out averages?
…and hes at it again. Dipping your toes into the troll pond again, Billy? You just cant resist it, can ya?
Clearly, weeto`s saying nothing of the sort.
What he’s saying is he either cannot, or will not, work out his average hours. It’s simple enough to do with all the truck timers, clocks, apps and things to use. The actros I’m using this week even does it for you, let’s you know daily & weekly driving hours. Despite this there will be plenty drivers that don’t know how to work them out, I asked a simple question. Why does that upset your gentle disposition?
Go on then - next time you’re in that Actros, get the tacho to tell you your average working hours for the current reference period.
If you care to read it again I’ve said it tells you your daily & weekly driving hours, it’s just an aid. It takes me nearly 3 minutes at the end of the week to work out my average, what’s so tough about it?
ROG:
POA is ok in slot 2 because the driver using slot 1 can say that it is likely to be x hours which covers you
If doing other work then record POA in slot and THEN do a manual entry = perfectly legal because of the slot 2 restriction
If the second driver is working while in the passenger seat or doesn’t want to book POA there’s no point in putting the card in and having to write manual entries and carry printouts.
In my opinion he’d be better off leaving the card out and putting a manual entry into the tachograph when he inserts the card, that’ what I’d do anyway, I don’t see any attraction in having to carry printouts and I doubt many companies like to have to keep them for a year or two.
ROG:
POA is ok in slot 2 because the driver using slot 1 can say that it is likely to be x hours which covers you
If doing other work then record POA in slot and THEN do a manual entry = perfectly legal because of the slot 2 restriction
If the second driver is working while in the passenger seat or doesn’t want to book POA there’s no point in putting the card in and having to write manual entries and carry printouts.
In my opinion he’d be better off leaving the card out and putting a manual entry into the tachograph when he inserts the card, that’ what I’d do anyway, I don’t see any attraction in having to carry printouts and I doubt many companies like to have to keep them for a year or two.
I got the impression that if there was recording equipment the driver or co-driver had to use it ■■?
ROG:
POA is ok in slot 2 because the driver using slot 1 can say that it is likely to be x hours which covers you
If doing other work then record POA in slot and THEN do a manual entry = perfectly legal because of the slot 2 restriction
If the second driver is working while in the passenger seat or doesn’t want to book POA there’s no point in putting the card in and having to write manual entries and carry printouts.
In my opinion he’d be better off leaving the card out and putting a manual entry into the tachograph when he inserts the card, that’ what I’d do anyway, I don’t see any attraction in having to carry printouts and I doubt many companies like to have to keep them for a year or two.
I got the impression that if there was recording equipment the driver or co-driver had to use it ■■?
Yes if he’s able to accurately record his activities.
ROG:
POA is ok in slot 2 because the driver using slot 1 can say that it is likely to be x hours which covers you
If doing other work then record POA in slot and THEN do a manual entry = perfectly legal because of the slot 2 restriction
If the second driver is working while in the passenger seat or doesn’t want to book POA there’s no point in putting the card in and having to write manual entries and carry printouts.
In my opinion he’d be better off leaving the card out and putting a manual entry into the tachograph when he inserts the card, that’ what I’d do anyway, I don’t see any attraction in having to carry printouts and I doubt many companies like to have to keep them for a year or two.
I got the impression that if there was recording equipment the driver or co-driver had to use it ■■?
Yes if he’s able to accurately record his activities.
I missed that bit in the regs - where abouts is it in them?
ROG:
POA is ok in slot 2 because the driver using slot 1 can say that it is likely to be x hours which covers you
If doing other work then record POA in slot and THEN do a manual entry = perfectly legal because of the slot 2 restriction
If the second driver is working while in the passenger seat or doesn’t want to book POA there’s no point in putting the card in and having to write manual entries and carry printouts.
In my opinion he’d be better off leaving the card out and putting a manual entry into the tachograph when he inserts the card, that’ what I’d do anyway, I don’t see any attraction in having to carry printouts and I doubt many companies like to have to keep them for a year or two.
I got the impression that if there was recording equipment the driver or co-driver had to use it ■■?
Yes if he’s able to accurately record his activities.
I missed that bit in the regs - where abouts is it in them?
From what I can make out the driver must use recording equipment - the fact that it does not record break on driver 2 slot does not mean the driver can ignore it because if that was the case then what is the point of the driver 2 slot?
From what I can make out the driver must use recording equipment - the fact that it does not record break on driver 2 slot does not mean the driver can ignore it because if that was the case then what is the point of the driver 2 slot?
but if the driver is doing paperwork or giving directions an Incorrect record of work is recorded
From what I can make out the driver must use recording equipment - the fact that it does not record break on driver 2 slot does not mean the driver can ignore it because if that was the case then what is the point of the driver 2 slot?
but if the driver is doing paperwork or giving directions an Incorrect record of work is recorded
As it would be if on break
Be interested to know what the authorities would say at a roadside stop if number 2 slot was not being used
