Soon as someone mentions debrief i start asking about balconies and abseiling, wish these jumped up pseudo and wannabe manager types who come up with this crap would just get over themselves, its impossible not to take the ■■■■■
RobRoy " B. Know absolutely [zb] all about the job in REAL terms, but be able to bluff your way through it and appear competent. 
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But, unfortunately, they don`t even have to do a good bluff, as those employing middle management also have no idea about the real world.
Thank Christ that there are still a few of us left that can actually see through all the BS, I was beginning to think I was on my own here.
I know we all have to move with the times, but how far do we all go along with all this stuff.
What both amuses and surprises me (as well as disappoints me) are the drivers who actually swallow all this type of crap, and talk about it without a hint of irony…classic brain wash.
robroy:
Thank Christ that there are still a few of us left that can actually see through all the BS, I was beginning to think I was on my own here.
I know we all have to move with the times, but how far do we all go along with all this stuff.What both amuses and surprises me (as well as disappoints me) are the drivers who actually swallow all this type of crap, and talk about it without a hint of irony…classic brain wash.
Isn’t the debrief to inform your handler/planner of intelligence gathered out in the field? When in an RDC I take surreptitious photos of the notice boards, health and safety placards, leading driver boards and “do not park over yellow line” reminders. All good intelligence. I develop the roll of film using my mini set of developing trays whilst hiding under a blanket on my bunk then hand it in during my debrief. My planner never seems interested.
When I started they mentioned debrief, I replied “so long as its in a safe house” but that’s fallen on deaf ears too.
Why hasnt Dipper been on yet?? Isnt “debriefing” one of his trigger words?
Franglais:
Why hasnt Dipper been on yet?? Isnt “debriefing” one of his trigger words?
Yes that trigger should’ve activated agent Dipper.
James the cat:
Franglais:
Why hasnt Dipper been on yet?? Isnt “debriefing” one of his trigger words?Yes that trigger should’ve activated agent Dipper.
He’s Probably De-Briefing as we speak 
tango boy:
James the cat:
Franglais:
Why hasnt Dipper been on yet?? Isnt “debriefing” one of his trigger words?Yes that trigger should’ve activated agent Dipper.
He’s Probably De-Briefing as we speak
Maybe he’s in the field planting his bugs in someone’s draws or tapping a suspicious old lady
James the cat:
tango boy:
James the cat:
Franglais:
Why hasnt Dipper been on yet?? Isnt “debriefing” one of his trigger words?Yes that trigger should’ve activated agent Dipper.
He’s Probably De-Briefing as we speak
Maybe he’s in the field planting his bugs or tapping someone
So-ing his seed 
Debrief is just a name, a bit strange I agree but just a name all the same.
At nearly every company I’ve driven for who did debriefs, the debrief consisted of someone asking “any problems today” when you handed in the run sheet.
The strangest place was Wisemans at Droitwich, at the end of each shift you’d go to the special debrief desk 
and hand in your defect check sheet then get asked “any problems today” to which you’d reply “no”, you’d then have to turn left and take one step forward to hand in the run sheet and keys at the main counter 
The main counter in the transport office was literally at right angles to the debrief desk but manned by different people 
Having said that, it probably keeps somebody in a job so…
I’m so far oblivious to this standing down situation, as it’s not been really (or seemed relevant) where I’ve been so far. So I really have to wonder why some companies enforce it and some don’t, when it appears not to be enforced. I know of someone ELSE who’s always over 48, and when he hits 60 in a week, they just put him in a van instead. The contract is run by one of the big players…
On a couple of the better car transporter companies stand down can mean a nice extra two or more weeks paid holiday a year.
One i believe pays full average pay, the other at least £100 a day (was when i was there), they’re not bookng POA normally either or if they are its very minimal, maybe the odd hour in a week sort of thing, none of this 20 hours a bloody week stupid lark some of the daft sods have got themselves into leading to 70 hour weeks for about £8 a bloody hour average, then get stood down for no pay for your trouble, sheesh talk about sell yourself cheap.
The lad i know isn’t complaining about the dosh though, as his overtime healthy, but calculated monthly. Which to me seems wrong, as it SHOULD be daily… But what really concerns me though, is the hours and demands of his job as he’s doing Class 2 multi-drop, who more often than not, goes over 13 hours, as the days are planned way to long. To me it’s the firm trying to run too much, with too little resource in an effort to save money. They don’t seem to give a stuff if it’s safe and sustainable for a driver! 
mrginge:
Considering half our fleet are still paper discs it’s more effort.
Effort to do a manual entry on a paper chart? Just draw lines when you started and finished working and mark them with EDR and SDR; and if the gap between them and the trace is more the 15 minutes draw a crossed hammers in the gap.
Easier than doing a manual entry on many digital head units.
As for how the 48 hour weekly average is managed, it depends how you are paid and what your contract says.
We are salaried on the basis of a 48 hour week, so get the same monthly pay no matter how many hours we’ve done (only get overtime for working weekends). They try to keep our average under 48 hours throughout the 26 week period by varying the runs between drivers and giving the occasional day off as well.
But my hours were so high over last summer that I had used all my hours for the period up with two weeks to go, so I had a fortnight off in September. So basically it was an extra two weeks paid holiday (including bonus which we don’t get during annual leave).
Ha ha I knew the DEBRIEF word would get the old fella robroy going 
I think I’m gonna start slipping that in randomly in a few posts 
I love the idea of a special debrief desk , I may suggest that at work .
No debriefing at my work place , although the wages clerk well you know …
Mikey D:
Ha ha I knew the DEBRIEF word would get the old fella robroy going
I think I’m gonna start slipping that in randomly in a few posts
I love the idea of a special debrief desk , I may suggest that at work .
No debriefing at my work place , although the wages clerk well you know …
Old fella? you cheeky ■■■■.
I just hate all these pretentious head up the arse meaningless management speak, words of the moment.
btw…Let us know if anything develops with the wage clerk
Not up for a bit of "blue sky thinking "or "touching base " then rob ?
Well somehow dipper Dave has missed this thread Probably too busyn on a weekend extended DEBRIEF
weeto:
tachograph:
The only none working time that has to be counted towards the average working week is statutory holidays, sick leave and maternity/paternity leave.It doesn’t make any difference whether you get paid for the days off or not, if the time off is not for one of the reasons above it can be used to reduce the average working week.
Ok corrected, but I bet a large percentage of haulage companies won’t pay you for this time off just like they wont pay you for sick leave or compassionate leave.
So on that basis, don’t try to get all your 17 weeks hours done in 16 weeks unless you want another 3 weeks a year or more off unpaid.
POA has to be the most stupid thing in the world. We double man, in theory we can do a run to Linkoping in Sweden, come back and after 4.5 days, one driver hasn’t ‘worked’. On the other hand, we never get near working hours.
Mikey D:
Not up for a bit of "blue sky thinking "or "touching base " then rob ?
Well somehow dipper Dave has missed this thread
Or could be on a “team building exercise” with “co-worker colleagues” “exploring innovative solutions” .
Or even down the pub with his mates having a natter?