Hopefully any VOSA/DVSA lads reading who work in that area will have worked out who the company is by now and pay them a visit shortly.
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Or hopefully you phone DVSA and tell them …Crap companies like this need to be named and shamed
Reminds me of George Jenkins transport IOW they didn’t pay their drivers till they where on main land 
tachograph:
deck21:
Also told by them that they did not pay drivers when doing driver checks in yard only time outside yard i guess that would also mean they dont pay when being loaded. would be legal or would it stand if it was in a contract and you sign itI suppose it’s legal to work for nothing but why would you want to
If I went for an interview and was told that I’d be doing work for free, the interview would quickly, but not necessarily politely, be terminated.
Its not legal to work for nothing thats what minimum wage is all about. Unless you were doing chairity work I suppose.
Daily checks are a requirment of the job and is classed as other work, so you should be paid for it. Wont they pay you when your loading or straping the cargo and unloading when you delivier ?
As others have said. A grubby tight fisted co. Best avoided. 
It beats me how ■■■■ firms like this get drivers to work for them.
Newbies, desperate types, complete mugs, idiots, or a combination of all four I would reckon.
I am none of these so not for me.
I much rather how my firm works. As we like to stay traditional we simply write down our start/finish times on a log book and we get paid those hours with no breaks etc deducted. Can’t stand places that pay you what the digi card decides and then add bogus crap like a debrief in the office after each shift which is free of course.
With this sort of crap they truly deserve to be named and shamed.
The newbies and dare I say it the naive should be protected.
I’m pretty sure the DVSA would take an interest (and a dim view) of unpaid mandatory safety checks.
For the hard of reading between the lines. Saying you’re unpaid for checks is really them saying …Don’t do them, get going, get earning.
yeeeehaaaaa 1980s cowboy!!
weeto:
Surely the question would be, are you legally able to be paid for being stood down when you have gone over the 48 hour average week, as I though that any paid time off still counts as working time and i am sure this has been discussed before.
And agree with what’s been said about not being paid for doing your checks, deffo cowboys.
For every Time worked over 48 hour/week you need to take the same amount off,unpaid,after 17 Week or 26 week,says the Book
Stand down time can be paid. Some car transporter companies pay this.
I was under the impression that it had to be unpaid, as paid days off were recorded as 8 hours, hence annual leave doesn’t reduce the hours enough. I’m glad I don’t do paid per hour work. Chase the hours because you need the money, and your reward is an unpaid holiday 
The only none working time that has to be counted towards the average working week is statutory holidays, sick leave and maternity/paternity leave.
It doesn’t make any difference whether you get paid for the days off or not, if the time off is not for one of the reasons above it can be used to reduce the average working week.
mrginge:
Can’t stand places that pay you what the digi card decides and then add bogus crap like a debrief in the office after each shift which is free of course.
If you do manual entries for this time at the start and end of every shift then the time on the tacho will be what you actually worked.
tachograph:
The only none working time that has to be counted towards the average working week is statutory holidays, sick leave and maternity/paternity leave.It doesn’t make any difference whether you get paid for the days off or not, if the time off is not for one of the reasons above it can be used to reduce the average working week.
Ok corrected, but I bet a large percentage of haulage companies won’t pay you for this time off just like they wont pay you for sick leave or compassionate leave.
So on that basis, don’t try to get all your 17 weeks hours done in 16 weeks unless you want another 3 weeks a year or more off unpaid.
mrginge:
Can’t stand places that pay you what the digi card decides and then add bogus crap like a debrief in the office after each shift which is free of course.
Thats what manual entries are for. Following day put in a manual entry to cover the debrief time for the day before.
Manual entries are for robbing agency drivers 
Conor:
mrginge:
Can’t stand places that pay you what the digi card decides and then add bogus crap like a debrief in the office after each shift which is free of course.Thats what manual entries are for. Following day put in a manual entry to cover the debrief time for the day before.
Considering half our fleet are still paper discs it’s more effort. Just write the start/finish time on the log sheet and the office know how much to pay you. My boss had to remind me to download my card last week as it had probably been a few months
Debrief ffs!
Is it JUST me or what? 
If you return from a bombing mission over Hamburg in a Lancaster bomber…ok, you go for debrief.
In an Axor to Asda delivering bog rolls? not so sure.
Sounds a bit like the Headupownarse syndrome, a pretentious buzz word devised by pricks in offices wearing cheap suits. 
robroy:
Debrief
Is it JUST me or what?If you return from a bombing mission over Hamburg in a Lancaster bomber…ok, you go for debrief.
In an Axor to Asda delivering bog rolls? not so sure.
Sounds a bit like the Headupownarse syndrome, a pretentious buzz word devised by pricks in offices wearing cheap suits.
I know what you mean. In a loose effort to keep the Mrs happy, I went for an interview at Poundland at Christmas. Never intended on taking the job may I add. They made a big thing about manual entries and debriefs etc. I asked what it was all about, the assessor looked puzzled and asked me how I get on in my own job. I said the card goes in then I go to work, the card comes out and I’m finished work. Paperwork goes in on a Friday, job done. He looked at me like I was an alien
deck21:
3 wheeler:
Also told by them that they did not pay drivers when doing driver checks in yard only time outside yard i guess that would also mean they dont pay when being loaded.Hello…Is this what Stobarts have just had their O licence restricted for , amongst other things.
It was not Stobarts it a manufacturing company they make garden sheds. which are sold in the big stores like wickes and B and Q e.t.c. but delivered by the manufacture to the buyer hence i feel a interesting job as no day will be the same
Forest?
OVLOV JAY:
robroy:
Debrief
Is it JUST me or what?If you return from a bombing mission over Hamburg in a Lancaster bomber…ok, you go for debrief.
In an Axor to Asda delivering bog rolls? not so sure.
Sounds a bit like the Headupownarse syndrome, a pretentious buzz word devised by pricks in offices wearing cheap suits.
I know what you mean. In a loose effort to keep the Mrs happy, I went for an interview at Poundland at Christmas. Never intended on taking the job may I add. They made a big thing about manual entries and debriefs etc. I asked what it was all about, the assessor looked puzzled and asked me how I get on in my own job. I said the card goes in then I go to work, the card comes out and I’m finished work. Paperwork goes in on a Friday, job done. He looked at me like I was an alien
Yeh exactly. These are the new generation of ‘Haulage men’
Once over the job was ran by ex.drivers who knew the job and could therefore empathise with the driver.
Nowadays the main qualifications to do the job is to A. know all about the theory of wtd, manual ■■■■ entries and such ■■■■■■■■,
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B. Know absolutely ■■■■ all about the job in REAL terms, but be able to bluff your way through it and appear competent.