work upto 6 hours = 15 min break
work between 6 and 9 hours = break(s) totaling 30 mins
work between 9 and 12 hours = break(s) totaling 45 mins
work over 12 hours = breaks totaling 1 hour
started work last night at 9pm first break i had was 2:25 for 17 mins ( all ok so far as 15 min with in 6 hours)I then had another break at 4:10 for 32 min. total of 45 mins which reset my driving time. so i know they were recorded. I also had another 18 min whist getting petrol and using the toilet. then driving back to the yard at 6:45 i get a message flash up on the tacho (first time i have ever seen it) “working time 9h45 no break” then 15 mins later i get another one obviouslt showing 10 hours working time.
Although i had the hours break i didnt reach 12 hoursat the point of the message
all breaks were shown on the tacho so they had all registered.
cooper1203:
I thought the wtd rules were as follows
work upto 6 hours = 15 min break
work between 6 and 9 hours = break(s) totaling 30 mins
work between 9 and 12 hours = break(s) totaling 45 mins
work over 12 hours = breaks totaling 1 hour
No 12 hour rule
As it reset driving time and showed as breaks then I am at a loss because you did not seem to go over 6 hours at any point and 45 total breaks fills the daily WTD requirement
grumpybum:
Are you absolutely sure you didn’t use POA by accident? This would have appeared to reset your driving time… How many hours did you drive in total?
grumpybum:
Are you absolutely sure you didn’t use POA by accident? This would have appeared to reset your driving time… How many hours did you drive in total?
just under 8 hours
That blows my theory out of the water then. Sorry - I have nothing else to suggest.
cooper1203:
I thought the wtd rules were as follows
work upto 6 hours = 15 min break
work between 6 and 9 hours = break(s) totaling 30 mins
work between 9 and 12 hours = break(s) totaling 45 mins
work over 12 hours = breaks totaling 1 hour
No 12 hour rule
As it reset driving time and showed as breaks then I am at a loss because you did not seem to go over 6 hours at any point and 45 total breaks fills the daily WTD requirement
have to wait and see if i get a naughty boy notice
cooper1203:
I thought the wtd rules were as follows
work upto 6 hours = 15 min break
Sorry I don’t know the answer, but just a pedantic point that 15 mins is only required if you are going to exceed 6 hrs, then you need it before you do.
cooper1203:
then driving back to the yard at 6:45 i get a message flash up on the tacho (first time i have ever seen it) “working time 9h45 no break” then 15 mins later i get another one obviouslt showing 10 hours working time.
Tachographs traditionally don’t bother with working time rules, but I can confirm that the newer ones where I work also come up with these stupid messages. I don’t know the reason but suffice to say I am not getting pieces of paper to sign and am doing the same as before. It is just a case of pressing OK and continuing with your day.
Noremac:
Maybe being pedantic, but also getting diesel would be work.
There is no official requirement to have one hour if working over 12 hours, but usually I would take an extra 15 minutes.
I dont think its pedantry, but accuracy.
It was only the once, and several years ago, but at one control they asked for my diesel receipts, and compared the times with tacho records to make sure I hadnt booked a break whilst fueling up. (Being absolutely pure as the driven snow.....I hadnt. )
How hard pushed is anyone that they need to lie about a 15min break? Although clearly many are.
Noremac:
Maybe being pedantic, but also getting diesel would be work.
There is no official requirement to have one hour if working over 12 hours, but usually I would take an extra 15 minutes.
I dont think its pedantry, but accuracy.
It was only the once, and several years ago, but at one control they asked for my diesel receipts, and compared the times with tacho records to make sure I hadnt booked a break whilst fueling up. (Being absolutely pure as the driven snow.....I hadnt. )
How hard pushed is anyone that they need to lie about a 15min break? Although clearly many are.
so when you finished putting the fule in and paid for it did you then go and park up else where then walk back to the services to use the toilet and get a coffee or what ever
Noremac:
Maybe being pedantic, but also getting diesel would be work.
There is no official requirement to have one hour if working over 12 hours, but usually I would take an extra 15 minutes.
I dont think its pedantry, but accuracy.
It was only the once, and several years ago, but at one control they asked for my diesel receipts, and compared the times with tacho records to make sure I hadnt booked a break whilst fueling up. (Being absolutely pure as the driven snow.....I hadnt. )
How hard pushed is anyone that they need to lie about a 15min break? Although clearly many are.
so when you finished putting the fule in and paid for it did you then go and park up else where then walk back to the services to use the toilet and get a coffee or what ever
I might well use the toilet when on the pump. I wouldnt book it as break. And I wouldnt waste my free time putting diesel in.
Walking a few meters between parking and coffee shop?
Use it or loose it. Most of us sit around far too long anyway.
It was telling you about the night time 10 hours of working time rule, that you may be opted out of anyway.
And this is the WTD breaks
There’s 2 parts to the wtd breaks.
The 6 hour rule
you can’t work more than 6 hours at any point without a 15 min break, a break of 15 or more allows you to work upto another 6 hours before needing another 15 min break. This works the same as driving 4.5 hours and a 45. (Only driving and other work count as working time)
The total break
This is dependent on the total amount of working time in the shift, only driving and other work count as working time for the wtd.
0-6 hours of working time = 0 break required
Over 6 but not over 9 = 30 mins of break/s
Over 9 = 45 mins of break/s required.
A shift can only be have 1 of the 3 apply, so ignore the other 2
Breaks can be taken anywhere in the shift to count towards the total required, except the very beginning or end of the shift, so each break must have at least 1 min of work either side of it and they must be at least 15 mins long to count.
The 6 - 9 and 9+ are purely used to determine how much break is required in total and are nothing to do with when any breaks are required.
So anyone who drives over 4.5 hours in a shift will have a 45 for that and tick the total break box for any shift, so all they’ll need to worry about is the 6 hour rule.
These are extreme examples
of what is legal
Work 6
Break 15
Work 6
Break 15
Work 2:14
Break 15
Work 1 min
sorry to rehash an old thread but a little bit of an update…
I have noticed that although i still keep getting these messages about wtd breaks (had one the other night aboit working so many hours in 24 hours (less than 15) and a few more regarding the 10hour rule) I have noticed i only get them in one perticular vehicle although the others that they have are also 22 plates and im fairly sure the same tacho head.
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