Do these firms who do this including aa,rac,have to have ADR regs,as you see them about and if they have multi call outs and it all gets on board.what happens to this mixed fuel and where does it go to.just my thought for today
Cheers Darren
I think Harry has a special agreement with them to run his truck 
Dont think its a problem with ADR cos its only small amounts.
I think they mostly use small containers so keep within Ltd Quantities but that’s just my best guess.
He’s not posted for a while but dieseldave will probably have the best answer.
Somebody came up to me while I was fuelling up the truck a couple of weeks ago to ask my advice, they’d put 15 litres of petrol in a diesel Land Rover and had been quoted £270 to sort it out. 
With an older Land Rover I’d have said “just crack on” but the newer ones have engine management systems which shut the thing down if they detect impure diesel.
toyotat:
Do these firms who do this including aa,rac,have to have ADR regs,as you see them about and if they have multi call outs and it all gets on board.what happens to this mixed fuel and where does it go to.just my thought for todayCheers Darren
petrol and diesel in the same container will separate ,they are different weights . as for what happens to it once it has separated I can only guess 
I could be wrong about this but I believe you can carry up-to 333 litres of petrol or 1000 litres of diesel without having ADR, I’m not sure if you can carry both those quantities at the same time though or if it’s one or the other.
I’m sure someone will enlighten us though
toyotat:
Do these firms who do this including aa,rac,have to have ADR regs,as you see them about and if they have multi call outs and it all gets on board.what happens to this mixed fuel and where does it go to.just my thought for todayCheers Darren
Hi Darren,
tachogrph has this correct, cos it’s all to do with the amount carried on board a vehicle at any one time.
Cheers for the replies,at least that’s sorted
m1cks:
I think they mostly use small containers so keep within Ltd Quantities but that’s just my best guess.
He’s not posted for a while but dieseldave will probably have the best answer.
Hi M1cks,
I’m still around and I read a lot mate, but it’s sometimes difficult to post when I’m using my iPhone.
I’ve seen some of those vans, and TBH they’re sometimes quite close to needing ADR.
Just as a rough guideline, the Limited Quantity rule is usually used for the kinds of dangerous goods that folk can buy in a retail shop such as a garden centre or B&Q, but only when packaged for retail sale.
The ADR exemption that often gets confused with Limited Quantities is the ‘small load’ exemption, which is what these guys would be using. Limited Quantities and small loads are two completely different exemptions and are used for different purposes.
Limited Quantities is best thought of as a small amount per individual package, whereas (in some cases) a 1,000 litre IBC can count as a small load. Strange, but true!! 
Limited Quantities and small loads are two completely different exemptions and are used for different purposes.
the mixed fuel they take out you get to keep 
as my mate found out when he put £40 worth of petrol into his 1.9tdi a3. he filled the rest up with diesel but the sensor killed the engine before any damage was done. the container currently sits in his back garden no good to man nor beast
i did this 
i put a few gallons of petrol in my diesel fiesta van(my mind was on other things-my sister was seriously ill in hospital)
i only realised when i smelt the bloody petrol lol. pushed it of the pump,phoned my mrs ,got her to bring some pipe and a 10 litre can to the petrol station. pulled filler pipe off the tank,syphoned as much as i could then filled up with diesel-completely fine.
this wasnt a common rail engine though,just a tdi.
■■■■■■■■ to paying three or four hundred quid for someone to come and do basically the same…
maga:
the mixed fuel they take out you get to keep
be alright when he needs to light a bonfire though!!!
maga:
the mixed fuel they take out you get to keep
I used to work on recovery and wrong fuel jobs were our staple diet. If a person were irresponsible enough he could leave the mixed fuel in an open topped container and wait for the (lighter) petrol to “flash” off and use the resultant residue to run his van (pre CDI) for over two years with no problems. Of course you’d have to be really irresponsible to do that.
So that’s why it’s so expensive,they need to carry a load of new containers round to give you your fuel back
tachograph:
I could be wrong about this but I believe you can carry up-to 333 litres of petrol or 1000 litres of diesel without having ADR, …
Absolutely spot on so far.
tachograph:
I’m not sure if you can carry both those quantities at the same time though or if it’s one or the other.
If you’re going to max out on either of them, then it’s one or the other as you’ve said.
Both can be carried at the same time, but then it gets slightly tricky because although the two substances are both in UN Class 3, they are in different ADR Transport Categories.
Here’s how it works when different Transport Categories are to be carried on board a vehicle at the same time…
The total amount of petrol (= the number of litres of ‘stuff’ in ADR Transport Category 2) must be multiplied by three to arrive at a notional number.
We’ll call this number “points.” (Because it now isn’t litres.)
The total amount of diesel (= a number of litres of ‘stuff’ in ADR Transport Category 3) is left as it is.
The two figures obtained are then added together.
If the total exceeds 1,000 (points,) then ADR is needed.
If the total is 1,000 or less, then just carry on cos ADR doesn’t apply in full, but you’d still need the 1 X 2kg dry powder fire extinguisher.
The calculation is the responsibility of the carrier, NOT the driver.
tachograph:
I’m sure someone will enlighten us though
I’ll do my best.
I have had a brilliant idea (dont steal it)
for diesel they should have a square nozzle and make the filler caps square
for petrol they should have a round nozzle and make the filler caps round
for ad-blue they should have a triangular nozzle and make the filler caps triangular
if they where all around the same size you could’nt get the wrong one because it wouldnt go in.
and here is the clever bit :
because petrol is the most volatile that could remain unchanged so you dont spill it,Whereas the others could be covered by an adaptor until all the old vehicles are phased out and the different filler caps become the norm.
Harry Monk:
Somebody came up to me while I was fuelling up the truck a couple of weeks ago to ask my advice, they’d put 15 litres of petrol in a diesel Land Rover and had been quoted £270 to sort it out.With an older Land Rover I’d have said “just crack on” but the newer ones have engine management systems which shut the thing down if they detect impure diesel.
A friend of mine run a old Land Rover and gets a regular supply of cheap diesel off a local garage, that’s been drained out of the tanks that people have topped up with petrol, been doing it for years, saves him a small fortune and helps the garage get rid of it, his old motor still goes like a tank, my LR’s not that old so I wont be trying it.
Ossie
dieseldave:
tachograph:
I’m not sure if you can carry both those quantities at the same time though or if it’s one or the other.If you’re going to max out on either of them, then it’s one or the other as you’ve said.
Both can be carried at the same time, but then it gets slightly tricky because although the two substances are both in UN Class 3, they are in different ADR Transport Categories.
Here’s how it works when different Transport Categories are to be carried on board a vehicle at the same time…
The total amount of petrol (= the number of litres of ‘stuff’ in ADR Transport Category 2) must be multiplied by three to arrive at a notional number.
We’ll call this number “points.” (Because it now isn’t litres.)The total amount of diesel (= a number of litres of ‘stuff’ in ADR Transport Category 3) is left as it is.
The two figures obtained are then added together.
If the total exceeds 1,000 (points,) then ADR is needed.
If the total is 1,000 or less, then just carry on cos ADR doesn’t apply in full, but you’d still need the 1 X 2kg dry powder fire extinguisher.
Very well explained if you don’t mind me saying so, thank you
dieseldave:
tachograph:
I’m sure someone will enlighten us thoughI’ll do my best.
I never doubted that you would Dave
Its excellent stuff for parts washing with in a workshop. Where can i get some?
Money in it lads, they’re all poncing around in brand new vans anyway. How you can make a business out of other people’s stupidity is golden.