alamcculloch:
An E.V. is a very heavy car. The tyres are going to wear quickly . I think that a few are going to lose wheels as the torque generated will cut into the alloy wheels.
Toyota just found that out to their cost, Their new dedicated BEV BZ4X ev was recently debuted then recalled & purchased back from owners because the wheels kept falling off , Subaruâs new BEV has the same problems, How can two behemoths of transport get it so wrong!!! Way more instant torque on BEVâs.makeuseof.com/what-you-shou ⌠ev-recall/
The Mercedes eActros long haul has a dedicated e-trailer with itâs own electric motors & battery pack, Can you imagine the regen from braking with a loaded trailer putting a huge amount of charge back into the traction pack. electrek.co/2022/09/19/mercedes ⌠ric-truck/
Instant torque through a road wheel?
Stamp on the brakesâŚ
alamcculloch:
An E.V. is a very heavy car. The tyres are going to wear quickly . I think that a few are going to lose wheels as the torque generated will cut into the alloy wheels.
Toyota just found that out to their cost, Their new dedicated BEV BZ4X ev was recently debuted then recalled & purchased back from owners because the wheels kept falling off , Subaruâs new BEV has the same problems, How can two behemoths of transport get it so wrong!!! Way more instant torque on BEVâs.makeuseof.com/what-you-shou ⌠ev-recall/
The Mercedes eActros long haul has a dedicated e-trailer with itâs own electric motors & battery pack, Can you imagine the regen from braking with a loaded trailer putting a huge amount of charge back into the traction pack. electrek.co/2022/09/19/mercedes ⌠ric-truck/
Logistics double shifted truck day man gets back out of juice night man chomping at the bit to do his trunk no juice that will get very interesting dry quickly
alamcculloch:
An E.V. is a very heavy car. The tyres are going to wear quickly . I think that a few are going to lose wheels as the torque generated will cut into the alloy wheels.
Toyota just found that out to their cost, Their new dedicated BEV BZ4X ev was recently debuted then recalled & purchased back from owners because the wheels kept falling off , Subaruâs new BEV has the same problems, How can two behemoths of transport get it so wrong!!! Way more instant torque on BEVâs.makeuseof.com/what-you-shou ⌠ev-recall/
The Mercedes eActros long haul has a dedicated e-trailer with itâs own electric motors & battery pack, Can you imagine the regen from braking with a loaded trailer putting a huge amount of charge back into the traction pack. electrek.co/2022/09/19/mercedes ⌠ric-truck/
Logistics double shifted truck day man gets back out of juice night man chomping at the bit to do his trunk no juice that will get very interesting dry quickly
I should imagine a lot of future planning will be around the 45 minute break & infrastructure whereabouts, The new HGV 1megawatt 1000A chargers can put 320 miles into a battery pack in 30 minutes, pv-magazine.com/2021/09/15/ ⌠-charging/
PWC (Price Waterhouse Cooper) analysts expect ZEV models to essentially replace conventional trucks within the next 15 years â given that infrastructure is catching up. electrive.com/2022/10/04/an ⌠y-by-2035/
There is a considerable amount of bull excrement in this thread. The usual suspects waffling on about how global warming is a guvmint conspiracy and some who cannot accept that the world is changing.
There are no serious scientists these days who doubt that we, the human race, need to cut CO2 emissions, not to mention CH4 which is even worse. This is aside from the harm that the nasty particulates that belch out of a truckâs exhaust are bad for us and especially for our children.
Several posters (or maybe one that keeps repeating) say that it will be hard to recruit drivers if long distance work is all transferred to rail. What nonsense - nights away from home ar a major disincentive for aspiring drivers. A ten-hour day and home in time for tea is what most people want.
Dinosaurs were probably wiped out when a bloody great meteor hit the earth and caused a dust cloud which wiped out most vegetation and started an ice age. Some of the posters in this thread are a different kind of dinosaur who cling to the old ways and refuse to accept that change, any change, can be for the better.
Santa:
There is a considerable amount of bull excrement in this thread. The usual suspects waffling on about how global warming is a guvmint conspiracy and some who cannot accept that the world is changing.
There are no serious scientists these days who doubt that we, the human race, need to cut CO2 emissions, not to mention CH4 which is even worse. This is aside from the harm that the nasty particulates that belch out of a truckâs exhaust are bad for us and especially for our children.
Several posters (or maybe one that keeps repeating) say that it will be hard to recruit drivers if long distance work is all transferred to rail. What nonsense - nights away from home ar a major disincentive for aspiring drivers. A ten-hour day and home in time for tea is what most people want.
Dinosaurs were probably wiped out when a bloody great meteor hit the earth and caused a dust cloud which wiped out most vegetation and started an ice age. Some of the posters in this thread are a different kind of dinosaur who cling to the old ways and refuse to accept that change, any change, can be for the better.
Santa:
There is a considerable amount of bull excrement in this thread. The usual suspects waffling on about how global warming is a guvmint conspiracy and some who cannot accept that the world is changing.
There are no serious scientists these days who doubt that we, the human race, need to cut CO2 emissions, not to mention CH4 which is even worse. This is aside from the harm that the nasty particulates that belch out of a truckâs exhaust are bad for us and especially for our children.
Several posters (or maybe one that keeps repeating) say that it will be hard to recruit drivers if long distance work is all transferred to rail. What nonsense - nights away from home ar a major disincentive for aspiring drivers. A ten-hour day and home in time for tea is what most people want.
Dinosaurs were probably wiped out when a bloody great meteor hit the earth and caused a dust cloud which wiped out most vegetation and started an ice age. Some of the posters in this thread are a different kind of dinosaur who cling to the old ways and refuse to accept that change, any change, can be for the better.
Absolutely this.
Who to believe about electric trucks? The likes of Scania, Volvo, Mercedes, ZF and other OEMs that are investing billions into developing them and their associated drivelines (much work around which has already been done, validated and is in production for electric buses), or a bunch of internet babblers and conspiracy theorists who think these vehicles wonât work because they wonât work. Difficult one, that.
Absolutely ^^^^ the finest engineering brains in France conceived of and built the Maginot line, a seemingly impregnable defence against German attack. The Wehrmacht on the other hand simply ignored it and drove around both ends!
the maoster:
Absolutely ^^^^ the finest engineering brains in France conceived of and built the Maginot line, a seemingly impregnable defence against German attack. The Wehrmacht on the other hand simply ignored it and drove around both ends!
Engineers 0, real world 1.
HmmmmâŚ
The engineers were told to build a strong fort? They did, as you say, succeed.
Don`t blame engineers for tactical or political â â â â -ups.
Also many scientists and engineers talk to politicians about what might be happening in the future. They give warnings and possible solutions.
They, as a group, don`t want to make choices affecting the whole population. Long term planning should be left to the elected representatives of the people.
So, instead of experts deciding future tactics, we have politicians looking for votes at the next election, or just trying to stay in post one more weekâŚ
Ain`t life grand!
Carryfast:
CO2 didnât cook Venus atmospheric pressure and proximity to the Sun did.Which means that the whole âclimate changeâ script is a lie.
Fossil fuel free electric generation means burning trees instead of coal and gas and covering fields needed for food in solar panels destroying the root structure meaning soil erosion and the risk of nuclear disaster at 26p per kwh + road fuel taxes + the cost of batteries.
As opposed to 12-18p per kwh including road fuel taxes for diesel.
How would overhead power lines provide for route and location flexibility.
So all the downsides of rail with none of the upsides of road at the risk of turning the country into a nuked dustbowl at around twice the cost for the privilege to solve a non existent problem.
All to provide a captive market, for a bunch of profiteering, anything but green, scammers.
I disagree with you about climate change but you need to separate climate change from global warming, the planet will warm naturally but mankind is destroying the ecosystem with pollution of all kinds.
Profiteering by the wealthy and those with their hands on the energy taps I do agree with you but there is also nothing any of us can do about it, much like the matrix we are all now so hopelessly dependant on the system.
Amazon are spending some dosh on e-HGVâs, Theyâre investing ÂŁ1billion over the next five years with ÂŁ300million of that planned for the UK, Theyâve just ordered 20 Volvo FH electric units for their Germany fleet. electrek.co/2022/10/06/amazon-o ⌠cks-volvo/
Hereâs a question for present day lorry drivers do you think drivers hours will change to accommodate these electric trucks & the need for charging them?
According to the latest research theyâre now saying all new Electric freight trucks will go further, be stronger, cheaper to run & will beat diesel by 2035.
Is this because of the new standards of the upcoming Euro 7 which includes freight trucks for the first time & will come under the cosh for emissions like the ICE car manufacturers are. The EU is saying the electric trucks will be given an extra two tonne allowance to cope with a heavier main traction battery pack.
âElectric freight trucks will match their diesel equivalents on distance travelled, the study also shows. It finds that almost all freight trucks in Europe travel less than 800km a day â which is within the range of the newest battery electric trucks when charged during the legally required driver breaks. Even the biggest electric long-haul trucks will be able to carry the same weight of goods as diesel by 2030 because the weight of the battery is offset by removing the engine and by a 2-tonne extra allowance for zero emission vehicles under EU rules.â transportenvironment.org/di ⌠at-diesel/
lancpudn:
Hereâs a question for present day lorry drivers do you think drivers hours will change to accommodate these electric trucks & the need for charging them?
According to the latest research theyâre now saying all new Electric freight trucks will go further, be stronger, cheaper to run & will beat diesel by 2035./
No because they wonât need to be changed. Even as is now they can be charged overnight etc but chargers getting faster and batteries getting bigger will speed that up. One idea Iâm surprised weâve not seen trucks with interchangeable batteries, have a stack of batteries charging in yard and just swap with truck if necessary
Those doing the long runs will be mostly on m-way and major routes.
Look at what Germany is doing:
They could run on, and simultaneously recharge from, cantenary wires.
Not a solution to every issue, but doable today with existing battery technology and systems.
Expensive to roll out the hardware, but if it becomes an EU wide standard systemâŚquite possible to see it happening IMHO.
Franglais:
Those doing the long runs will be mostly on m-way and major routes.
Look at what Germany is doing:
They could run on, and simultaneously recharge from, cantenary wires.
Not a solution to every issue, but doable today with existing battery technology and systems.
Expensive to roll out the hardware, but if it becomes an EU wide standard systemâŚquite possible to see it happening IMHO.
Canât see any of that in reality, the diesel engined lorry has done the job reliably and efficiently for well over 70 years now and there is not a viable electric alternative, with the basics as in comparable range and recharging/refuelling time nowhere near being progress.
Franglais:
Those doing the long runs will be mostly on m-way and major routes.
Look at what Germany is doing:
They could run on, and simultaneously recharge from, cantenary wires.
Not a solution to every issue, but doable today with existing battery technology and systems.
Expensive to roll out the hardware, but if it becomes an EU wide standard systemâŚquite possible to see it happening IMHO.
Canât see any of that in reality, the diesel engined lorry has done the job reliably and efficiently for well over 70 years now and there is not a viable electric alternative, with the basics as in comparable range and recharging/refuelling time nowhere near being progress.
And people probably said exactly the same about diesel trucks 70 years ago. A huge network of fuel stations didnât pop up overnight and people were probably very fond of pointing out how easy it was to procure hay to feed your transport horse and how difficult it was to find diesel, so a little daft to write off electric because the infrastructure isnât present from the get go.
Franglais:
Those doing the long runs will be mostly on m-way and major routes.
Look at what Germany is doing:
They could run on, and simultaneously recharge from, cantenary wires.
Not a solution to every issue, but doable today with existing battery technology and systems.
Expensive to roll out the hardware, but if it becomes an EU wide standard systemâŚquite possible to see it happening IMHO.
Canât see any of that in reality, the diesel engined lorry has done the job reliably and efficiently for well over 70 years now and there is not a viable electric alternative, with the basics as in comparable range and recharging/refuelling time nowhere near being progress.
And people probably said exactly the same about diesel trucks 70 years ago. A huge network of fuel stations didnât pop up overnight and people were probably very fond of pointing out how easy it was to procure hay to feed your transport horse and how difficult it was to find diesel, so a little daft to write off electric because the infrastructure isnât present from the get go.
You seem to have missed the point about range and refuelling time/recharging time which also seems a little daft.
, Subaruâs new BEV has the same problems, How can two behemoths of transport get it so wrong!!! Way more instant torque on BEVâs.makeuseof.com/what-you-shou ⌠ev-recall/
