hipsway:
I didn’t say or claim anything was entirely down to humans! And do point me to where it states or where it is written that any scientist has claimed the Ice Age as an example of a major climate shift was caused by human activity?
If you accept the premise that sticking a hose pipe in your car’s exhaust while the engine is running, and then directing that pipe into the interior will kill you if you sat inside, then where do you suppose all the stuff we as human’s spew out ends up? It’s taken us long enough to realise we can’t keep producing and burying our waste in the ground, open your eyes there’s rubbish discarded everywhere!
I don’t see things as being infinite whether it’s my bank account or the planet’s resources, it’s really not that hard to figure out.
Is it all about CO2 warmist theory or are you saying let’s not burn it at all because it’s running out ?.
Or are you saying lets burn it all but not as fast ?.
Do you want to leave it all in the ground ?.
Or leave it so that it can be burnt by others later ?.
Bearing in mind that what’s being foisted on us is a fossil fuel use redistribution scam.
Not a fossil fuel use closure plan ?.
You think that all the risks of nuclear including lethal neclear waste and burning living trees instead of long dead ones and burying valuable food production land under solar panels is better than maintaining the status quo of cheap safe fossil fuel ?.
All based on a pie in the sky theory ( pretext and excuse ) that CO2 supposedly cooked Venus.
lancpudn:
Volvo trucks scored their biggest order for 100 Volvo FM electric trucks from DFDS, The range is still sorely lacking though. insideevs.com/news/544577/100-v … ric-order/
Something sounds ‘off’ with that range figure.
540 kwh to do 236 miles is the equivalent of around 20 mpg average.
That’s around 100% more fuel efficient than a turbo diesel at equivalent gross weight so around 140% efficient.
When an EV is supposedly only 90% fuel efficient.
They’ve also conveniently left out the tare and payload figures.
But at face value put it in a Swedish type LHV allowing a lot more battery capacity I’m surprised that the Swedes haven’t already gone all electric with those figures.
That got my attention the writing really looks like it’s on the wall.
Look on the bright side where is the case for diesel train v electric truck going by their own criteria.
Ironically the 666 figure seems to match the resulting nuke and tree burning fuelled utopia though.
lancpudn:
Volvo trucks scored their biggest order for 100 Volvo FM electric trucks from DFDS, The range is still sorely lacking though. insideevs.com/news/544577/100-v … ric-order/
Super excited for my first go in one of these when my licence is back
I think for a lot of companies a 236 range is more than enough.
For example Supermarkets anywhere near London barely do 100 miles on a run. Although they do run 24/7 usually. So installing like 30+ electric fast chargers would be needed to swap the fleet to fully electric.
Although I think a better solution would be to install the electric fast chargers at the stores. If it was done that way then it could work.
These are Gen 1 Electric trucks though. Probably wont be til Gen 4/5 that we get widespread use.
The trouble with electric trucks is that it isnt just the range. It"s the recharge time and the "what does the driver do whilst it’s charging? "
The tech is being forced on us long before it’s actually capable or ready. Steady development over several decades is required and should produce a decent product. I doubt we’ll see the capability of a turbo diesel with long range tanks in my lifetime though…
Meanwhile we have a bunch of environmental Hitler’s swanning around the world pretending to care for the environment - whilst steadfastly continuing to pollute the world in their efforts to force everyone else to stop polluting…
Meanwhile planet Earth will do what the ■■■■ it wants climate wise and I’m afraid a skinny teenager from Scandinavia isnt going to have much luck changing that, no matter how hard she stamps her feet.
Truckulent:
The trouble with electric trucks is that it isnt just the range. It"s the recharge time and the "what does the driver do whilst it’s charging? "
The tech is being forced on us long before it’s actually capable or ready. Steady development over several decades is required and should produce a decent product. I doubt we’ll see the capability of a turbo diesel with long range tanks in my lifetime though…
Meanwhile we have a bunch of environmental Hitler’s swanning around the world pretending to care for the environment - whilst steadfastly continuing to pollute the world in their efforts to force everyone else to stop polluting…
Meanwhile planet Earth will do what the [zb] it wants climate wise and I’m afraid a skinny teenager from Scandinavia isnt going to have much luck changing that, no matter how hard she stamps her feet.
Ironically it’s more likely that the silly cow will just help to cause a nuclear disaster and loads of trees burnt as biomass and green fields turned into grassless dustbowls by solar panels.
But ‘if’ those figures are correct and then applied to a Scandinavian or NZ 26-32t gross rigid with around half its payload turned over to batteries, pulling a 5 axle trailer the case for ICE realistically is toast.
At least while we’ve got some trees left to burn and/or before a nuke power plant goes bang in a big way.
No doubt the case for diesel trains v electric trucks will still somehow win out regardless.
Truckulent:
The trouble with electric trucks is that it isnt just the range. It"s the recharge time and the "what does the driver do whilst it’s charging? "
Well the driver either plans his break for an ideal time to charge the truck. Or you charge the truck while unloading.
I think a lot of the fancy electric cars claim 80% charge within 30 mins. So if a truck can charge to 80% in 1 hour then it’s not much of a issue.
Truckulent:
The trouble with electric trucks is that it isnt just the range. It"s the recharge time and the "what does the driver do whilst it’s charging? "
Well the driver either plans his break for an ideal time to charge the truck. Or you charge the truck while unloading.
I think a lot of the fancy electric cars claim 80% charge within 30 mins. So if a truck can charge to 80% in 1 hour then it’s not much of a issue.
In theory.
In practice it will be a nightmare. It’ll make a mockery of 4.5 hrs driving time. You’ll be lucky to get 1.5 hours. And, will the driver get paid when the truck is charging? And if so, by whom, employer or final customer?
It simply won’t work and is being rushed in without any common sense.
Truckulent:
The trouble with electric trucks is that it isnt just the range. It"s the recharge time and the "what does the driver do whilst it’s charging? "
Well the driver either plans his break for an ideal time to charge the truck. Or you charge the truck while unloading.
I think a lot of the fancy electric cars claim 80% charge within 30 mins. So if a truck can charge to 80% in 1 hour then it’s not much of a issue.
In theory.
In practice it will be a nightmare. It’ll make a mockery of 4.5 hrs driving time. You’ll be lucky to get 1.5 hours. And, will the driver get paid when the truck is charging? And if so, by whom, employer or final customer?
It simply won’t work and is being rushed in without any common sense.
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Well I think your trying to pick faults. You will get more than 1.5 hours. considering trucks do about 50 miles an hours that’s a range of only 75 miles.
Realistically a truck should be able to drive for about 3 hours before a break is required.
Let’s apply it to a real world example.
Night Trunk route from Essex to Birmingham. That’s 152 miles. When you get there you unhook your trailer. Then you go on charge. This is when you normally take your break. Also you usually get an extra hour doing ■■■■ all because they don’t release the trailers until a certain time. (Parcel Company).
That gives you 1 hour and 45 mins of charge time.
Enough juice for a return back to Essex.
Also if a 80% charge does take 1 hour and your on break for 45 minutes why would they not pay you the 15 minutes your not on break waiting for it to be charged? Don’t forget you no longer have to fill up on Diesel for the day and that in itself can take 15 minutes. Longer if there is a Greggs nearby.
Either way I don’t see these trucks being used for heavy motorway work. They would be perfect for Local work though. There is a lot of local firms that make use of artics just to do small runs. e.g. I spent 2 weeks with DHL just going from Basildon to Dagenham twice a day. So I literally did about 90 miles a day.
^ That’s the future they have planned for the job.
But they aren’t going to pay a ‘driver’ 8+ hours just for that as opposed to utilising them for ‘other duties’.
Truckulent:
The trouble with electric trucks is that it isnt just the range. It"s the recharge time and the "what does the driver do whilst it’s charging? "
Well the driver either plans his break for an ideal time to charge the truck. Or you charge the truck while unloading.
I think a lot of the fancy electric cars claim 80% charge within 30 mins. So if a truck can charge to 80% in 1 hour then it’s not much of a issue.
In theory.
In practice it will be a nightmare. It’ll make a mockery of 4.5 hrs driving time. You’ll be lucky to get 1.5 hours. And, will the driver get paid when the truck is charging? And if so, by whom, employer or final customer?
It simply won’t work and is being rushed in without any common sense.
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Well I think your trying to pick faults. You will get more than 1.5 hours. considering trucks do about 50 miles an hours that’s a range of only 75 miles.
Realistically a truck should be able to drive for about 3 hours before a break is required.
Let’s apply it to a real world example.
Night Trunk route from Essex to Birmingham. That’s 152 miles. When you get there you unhook your trailer. Then you go on charge. This is when you normally take your break. Also you usually get an extra hour doing [zb] all because they don’t release the trailers until a certain time. (Parcel Company).
That gives you 1 hour and 45 mins of charge time.
Enough juice for a return back to Essex.
Also if a 80% charge does take 1 hour and your on break for 45 minutes why would they not pay you the 15 minutes your not on break waiting for it to be charged? Don’t forget you no longer have to fill up on Diesel for the day and that in itself can take 15 minutes. Longer if there is a Greggs nearby.
Either way I don’t see these trucks being used for heavy motorway work. They would be perfect for Local work though. There is a lot of local firms that make use of artics just to do small runs. e.g. I spent 2 weeks with DHL just going from Basildon to Dagenham twice a day. So I literally did about 90 miles a day.
Overhead power lines on motorways to charge batteries whilst driving…
Franglais:
Overhead power lines on motorways to charge batteries whilst driving…
Hmm, might work fine along a dedicated test track but Catenary along Motorways? the golden rule of Trolleybus driving was always: “never but never, overtake the one in front”.
The system is going to work well in that case. Apart from all trucks confined to a crocodile along the nearside lane, what happens when one breaks down?.. all stop. Trains don’t run only a few feet apart either. They set up a wave in the overhead when at speed, that is going to cause problems both ultra-short and long term. Trains pull down the overhead without needing to derail or worse, and they don’t have accidents very often - a bit different from what happens everyday on our motorway network.
Franglais:
Overhead power lines on motorways to charge batteries whilst driving…
Hmm, might work fine along a dedicated test track but Catenary along Motorways? the golden rule of Trolleybus driving was always: “never but never, overtake the one in front”.
The system is going to work well in that case. Apart from all trucks confined to a crocodile along the nearside lane, what happens when one breaks down?.. all stop. Trains don’t run only a few feet apart either. They set up a wave in the overhead when at speed, that is going to cause problems both ultra-short and long term. Trains pull down the overhead without needing to derail or worse, and they don’t have accidents very often - a bit different from what happens everyday on our motorway network.
Exactly.
It’s a theoretical thing dreamt up by barmy climate scientists that have no common sense. It works in theory so why it in practice?
Well, in theory no on should be overweight. Everyone knows the risks of over eating and drinking too much and too little exercise. In theory it is a simple job to slim the UK down.
The practice however is very different as it fails to take into account lots of variables.
The same is true of overhead power lines. I’m sure power lines on major roads will be wonderful - for the H&S brigade who will already be having palpitations about kids climbing up there.
It’s an impractical theoretical solution to a problem that we have created by following the Climate Hitlers - who will be the first to complain when the supermarkets haven’t got their muesli and vegan rubbish on the shelves.
Franglais:
Overhead power lines on motorways to charge batteries whilst driving…
Hmm, might work fine along a dedicated test track but Catenary along Motorways? the golden rule of Trolleybus driving was always: “never but never, overtake the one in front”.
The system is going to work well in that case. Apart from all trucks confined to a crocodile along the nearside lane, what happens when one breaks down?.. all stop. Trains don’t run only a few feet apart either. They set up a wave in the overhead when at speed, that is going to cause problems both ultra-short and long term. Trains pull down the overhead without needing to derail or worse, and they don’t have accidents very often - a bit different from what happens everyday on our motorway network.
Battery pack and recharge whilst driving.
Change lanes, be autonomous for a few hours doing drops, get past dead sections.
No need to have every inch of every road covered.
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Ed
And no need to park for hours recharging.
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It won’t work for all situations on day one. Nothing does. The first petrol cars didn’t have an Esso on every corner.
Franglais:
Overhead power lines on motorways to charge batteries whilst driving…
Hmm, might work fine along a dedicated test track but Catenary along Motorways? the golden rule of Trolleybus driving was always: “never but never, overtake the one in front”.
The system is going to work well in that case. Apart from all trucks confined to a crocodile along the nearside lane, what happens when one breaks down?.. all stop. Trains don’t run only a few feet apart either. They set up a wave in the overhead when at speed, that is going to cause problems both ultra-short and long term. Trains pull down the overhead without needing to derail or worse, and they don’t have accidents very often - a bit different from what happens everyday on our motorway network.
Battery pack and recharge whilst driving.
Change lanes, be autonomous for a few hours doing drops, get past dead sections.
No need to have every inch of every road covered.
.
Ed
And no need to park for hours recharging.
.
It won’t work for all situations on day one. Nothing does. The first petrol cars didn’t have an Esso on every corner.
Yes…
But they’re trying to push this all through long before it’s been thought through with deadlines for banning diesel - but no idea how the alternative will work.
With petrol cars it was a gradual natural progression not a “we will do this by the year —”
It’s a farce.
In my view also unnecessary- but that’s a different issue altogether.
cav551:
Something a bit wafty about that new electric Volvo. i shift gearbox ?
Gearbox?
EV isn’t mutually exclusive with use of a conventional transmission.Plenty of EV conversions keep the standard transmission in place.
All EV’s have a form of gear reduction it’s not direct drive.
Maintaining the standard choice of ratios is obviously an advantage for a heavy truck and saves the costs of developing a needless dedicated gear reduction system.
In my view also unnecessary- but that’s a different issue altogether.
Obviously ‘necessary’ for those with a financial interest in the electricity supply industry like Al Gore, or flogging an EV toy for the price of a proper motor and scientists whose funding depends on providing the right answers.
While we know that governments are also not immune to being in on it all.
