Just wondering. The transport industry has perhaps felt the effect of migration more than any other. I think it has probably held wages down 40% over the last 10 years. Would this lead you to consider voting UKIP ?.
Where have you been hiding these last few weeks? 
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Ex Haulier:
Just wondering. The transport industry has perhaps felt the effect of migration more than any other. I think it has probably held wages down 40% over the last 10 years. Would this lead you to consider voting UKIP ?.
It did. 
No, but most on here would expect that. Would you?
Already did and I live at the heart of Cameron Country. Voting UKIP for the Euros was an easy choice, and voted for them in the locals after some thought. Rejecting Labour was the easy part-I just cannot stand that Sillybland (and Labour in general for that matter).
The last bit of election flannel to come through the door came from the Lib Dems-what a load of patronising “please vote for us (and Europe)” claptrap. No wonder they were humiliated at the polls.
Ex Haulier:
Just wondering. The transport industry has perhaps felt the effect of migration more than any other. I think it has probably held wages down 40% over the last 10 years. Would this lead you to consider voting UKIP ?.
I’m not sure that the migration effect has held wages down to that extent in all lorry driving, if you thought laterally and used the obvious advantage of the spoken and written word, and zoned in on more complicated or specialised work where clear communications are vital to the job, then the money has more or less kept pace with inflation at least.
That will change though, IMO, with many recent immigrants i meet in my work their English language skills, spoken and written are fast outstripping those of many native Brits, some of whom are barely literate/numerate thanks to our failing education system.
Indeed coupled with the work ethic of some, its not hard to see why employers are happy to take them on, don’t do sickies, cooperative etc, they’re going to be shinning up the slippery poles (no pun) in no time…compare with far too many native Brits.
By the way, yes i voted UKIP, but then i haven’t voted for the liblabcon party of traitors since before WMD Bliars heyday…hopefully to take the first faltering steps to removing us from the EU, so our elected government control who comes and who doesn’t, not some unelected council of half baked communists in Brussels.
Good people who want to and have something to contribute and integrate will always be welcome here.
Why shouldn’t you vote UKIP ?
Employees are a commodity same as anything else. Too many and you pay less (thanks Lib/Lab/Con/Green etc) and too few you pay more.
IT and mechanisation will also be big factors in the future in ensuring the obsolescence and indeed the need for human beings except of course the educated classes that programme them.
If you think about science - has it done more harm than good in some ways?
As for the original question - more will vote UKIP than people think because the other shysters offer nothing else other than continued despair and misery if you are not part of the elite society that relies on the class system (7 levels now) to provide uneducated and therefore desirable victims to serve them.
I certainly did vote that way and hope many others will too.
fredthered:
Employees are a commodity same as anything else. Too many and you pay less (thanks Lib/Lab/Con/Green etc) and too few you pay more.IT and mechanisation will also be big factors in the future in ensuring the obsolescence and indeed the need for human beings except of course the educated classes that programme them.
If you think about science - has it done more harm than good in some ways?
As for the original question - more will vote UKIP than people think because the other shysters offer nothing else other than continued despair and misery if you are not part of the elite society that relies on the class system (7 levels now) to provide uneducated and therefore desirable victims to serve them.
I certainly did vote that way and hope many others will too.
That’s just what the EU has done for us. TOO MANY. We want out, so market forces can hold sway again, and push up the wages of ordinary folk.
Who are the ones who moaned most about “another strike, another pay deal gotten” back in the days when Unions had real power? - That wouldn’t have been the workforce then OR now would it? The company boss always got heard a lot more by the serious media than the workforce did. For the workforce, there was always the “trivia press” to entertain us with tales of who shagged who, and who won this game or got that award… FFS when was the last time we heard about the achievements of scientists, engineers, and the actual DOers in society rather than a bunch of pansy poets, artists, game players, and wannabeonTV freaks?
Being a kid in a working class household in the '70s, and my memories are not just of power cuts - but high taxes on overtime, unaffordable foreign travel, and the unavailability of goods in shops. We had Spar and Fine Fare and Bejam back then. Now we have supermarkets that are owned by foreign-serving businessfolk. Now we have unaffordable utility bills, the utility firms also being owned by foreign businessfolk. Now we have a lack of jobs, let alone well paid jobs. Too many client firms with foreign interests think it’s cool to take on an inexperienced foreigner over an experienced local talent merely because they’ll “work for less”. It’s disgusting how the main parties of this country have sold out over the years in a manner that used to put people on the scaffold for acting against their country so! 
…but of course, feeling that way will have some twit accusing me of being a xenophobic racist or whatever. Big deal. Either we’re a sovereign state, or we’re just a vassal of some foreign power. It’s time for the rest of us to make up their minds which. 
No.
Yes. Have done and will continue to. We are being shafted daily by the scam that is EU “membership”.
Yes and have done for the last 3 years.
regards dave.
No, the current support is a protest vote which hopefully will give the Conservatives and Labour the wake up call they need the same can be said of the European Parliment.
They would never be able to form a credible government they would be a disaster for this country, I predict the Conservative party to win a slim majority at the next general election.
I voted for Orys
I did for the Euro elections, but our MP who is a Lib/Dem is the only MP in my lifetime who has held surgeries in the village where I live, so he will probably get my vote at the next General Election.
Why has migration held wages down by 40%?
No!
For those who say no, are you pro Europe?
mike68:
No, the current support is a protest vote which hopefully will give the Conservatives and Labour the wake up call they need the same can be said of the European Parliment.They would never be able to form a credible government they would be a disaster for this country, I predict the Conservative party to win a slim majority at the next general election.
Ukip will never be in power in their own right. As a “checks and balances” party though, they look a lot better.
What would the Tories do with a majority? - enact policies that are unpopular, like in 1992.
What would Labour do with a majority? - Enact policies that are unpopular, like opening our doors to all comers.
What would Tories do in Coalition? - Well, we’ve seen what they’d do with the Libdems… Do we want more of that?
What about a Coalition involving Labour? - Unknown quantity there. What they’d do depends on how much Millband wants power, and what he’s prepared to do to keep it. Looking at the way he sits on the fence over Europe, I’d say he’s currently undecided as to where he thinks his future power will come from. It’s possible he’s a closet Europhile who would like nothing else than to be a heavily-renumerated MEP rather than prime minister of this country on somewhat lower pay, once the expenses are all factored in.
A Coalition involving UKIP? - The Tories would stand to gain more from this than Labour would. The whole “Vote UKIP - Get Milliband” is therefore a total lie. If Tory & Labour got exactly the same number of seats next year - do you really think UKIP would go with “non committal” labour rather than “bring promised referendum merely forwards 2 years” Conservatives?
It would be a lot easier to make a coalition agreement with the Tories than with Labour - is what I’m saying here.
No