Overtaking, undertaking and passing a slower vehicle are three different things, overtaking is changing lanes from the left lane and into the right lane (that can be on a S/C or a multilane highway) to pass a slower vehicle, undertaking is doing the same, but moving from the right lane to the left lane to do the same. passing a slower moving vehicle is exactly that, you pass someone without changing lanes
Me, I go around slower vehicles using all three methods, depending on the situation, would I care about the Police No, they don’t have scameras for this yet, so ■■■■■■■■ to it, all this 'the rule book (highway code) says nonsense is ridiculous, MTFU and get the job done, if it ■■■■■■ people off, hey ho, they hate lorry drivers anyway, so ■■■■ the lot of em
shuttlespanker:
if you are in lane 2 and come up behind ROG in lane 2 doing 50mph, it is illegal to change to lane 1, undertake, then move back out
OK, but what if… you do not move back out afterwards?? Still illegal?
Either way is not illegal but it would be unusual to need to move back into lane 2 afterwards because most of these types of situations are due to a solitary vehicle lane hogging
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The above link to where the M69 north slip joins the M1 north making a new lane 1 is a common place for many to pass on the nearside especially when two vehicles are running at near enough the same speed in what becomes lanes 2 & 3 out of 4
Its certainly not the safest thing to do in that situation as it does not leave space for the middle vehicle in the ‘sandwich’ should an incident occur but it happens very often on that stretch of 4 lane motorway
I have never known of an incident occuring on that stretch due to the above in all the years its been like that so perhaps its not as unsafe as I like to think it is
shuttlespanker:
if you are in lane 2 and come up behind ROG in lane 2 doing 50mph, it is illegal to change to lane 1, undertake, then move back out
OK, but what if… you do not move back out afterwards?? Still illegal?
Either way is not illegal but it would be unusual to need to move back into lane 2 afterwards because most of these types of situations are due to a solitary vehicle lane hogging
Wait… so are you saying it’s STILL not illegal even if you do move back out?
But isn’t that “undertaking”. Or maybe I’ve just misunderstood you?
I just wasn’t quite sure whether or not moving into lane 1 to pass a hogger in lane 2 without undertaking was ok.
But as for “undertaking”… (i.e. moving into lane 1 solely to pass, then moving back out), I would NEVER do that, even if it was legal… But surely that can’t be legal can it?
I’m confused now, I always thought that was a STRICT no-no
I use that junction frequently Jcn 21-21a with Leicester Forest services between them. My view is that the problems that occur there no different to any other with a short distance between junctions, due more often than not to poor lane discipline, tailgating and impatience/aggression.
I wouldn’t say that this, as described by Rog, is undertaking as traffic has progressed into lane 1 from the junction slip road without crossing a lane designation marking. It is the junction slip road which has itself become lane 1.
shuttlespanker:
if you are in lane 2 and come up behind ROG in lane 2 doing 50mph, it is illegal to change to lane 1, undertake, then move back out
OK, but what if… you do not move back out afterwards?? Still illegal?
Either way is not illegal but it would be unusual to need to move back into lane 2 afterwards because most of these types of situations are due to a solitary vehicle lane hogging
Wait… so are you saying it’s STILL not illegal even if you do move back out?
But isn’t that “undertaking”. Or maybe I’ve just misunderstood you?
I just wasn’t quite sure whether or not moving into lane 1 to pass a hogger in lane 2 without undertaking was ok.
But as for “undertaking”… (i.e. moving into lane 1 solely to pass, then moving back out), I would NEVER do that, even if it was legal… But surely that can’t be legal can it?
I’m confused now, I always thought that was a STRICT no-no
Are you trying to read more into this than needs be? Break it down into individual actions.
1 - You move out to pass a slow moving vehicle in lane 1.
2 - Having passed the vehicle you move back into lane 1.
3 - You pass a slower moving vehicle travelling in lane 2 while staying in lane 1.
4 - You move out into lane 2 to pass a slower moving vehicle in lane 1.
It is a series of 4 separate actions. The only question I would have is why would you move into lane 2 (at stage 4) unless it was to pass a slower moving vehicle or lane closure?
Wiretwister:
I use that junction frequently Jcn 21-21a with Leicester Forest services between them. My view is that the problems that occur there no different to any other with a short distance between junctions, due more often than not to poor lane discipline, tailgating and impatience/aggression.
I wouldn’t say that this, as described by Rog, is undertaking as traffic has progressed into lane 1 from the junction slip road without crossing a lane designation marking. It is the junction slip road which has itself become lane 1.
Watch for long enough and you will see vehicles ‘passing’ on the nearside all the way up that stretch between 21 and 21A but that is probably because regulars on that section knoow that only lanes 1, 2 & 3 continue as the M1 after 21A so tend not to go into lane 1
Personally I think the powers that be should have made different lane markings between lanes 1 & 2 out of the 4 lanes
Wiretwister:
The only question I would have is why would you move into lane 2 (at stage 4) unless it was to pass a slower moving vehicle or lane closure?
As I said - in most cases there would be no need to
Wiretwister:
I use that junction frequently Jcn 21-21a with Leicester Forest services between them. My view is that the problems that occur there no different to any other with a short distance between junctions, due more often than not to poor lane discipline, tailgating and impatience/aggression.
I wouldn’t say that this, as described by Rog, is undertaking as traffic has progressed into lane 1 from the junction slip road without crossing a lane designation marking. It is the junction slip road which has itself become lane 1.
Watch for long enough and you will see vehicles ‘passing’ on the nearside all the way up that stretch between 21 and 21A but that is probably because regulars on that section knoow that only lanes 1, 2 & 3 continue as the M1 after 21A so tend not to go into lane 1
Personally I think the powers that be should have made different lane markings between lanes 1 & 2 out of the 4 lanes
If the intended exit is 21a where else would you expect people to go? Most of the aggravation that I see is exiting the services trying to get to lane 2 before the 21a slip road, cutting into lane 1 late or slowing in lane 2 because lane 1 has “blockers” in it holding people out. It’s the same at many other junction on the motorway network. M4 Jcns 12 -11 with Reading services in between is another example.
newmercman:
Overtaking, undertaking and passing a slower vehicle are three different things, overtaking is changing lanes from the left lane and into the right lane (that can be on a S/C or a multilane highway) to pass a slower vehicle, undertaking is doing the same, but moving from the right lane to the left lane to do the same. passing a slower moving vehicle is exactly that, you pass someone without changing lanes
Me, I go around slower vehicles using all three methods, depending on the situation, would I care about the Police No, they don’t have scameras for this yet, so ■■■■■■■■ to it, all this 'the rule book (highway code) says nonsense is ridiculous, MTFU and get the job done, if it ■■■■■■ people off, hey ho, they hate lorry drivers anyway, so [zb] the lot of em
That side of the Atlantic and on the continent maybe but definitely not here if you’ve got any sense.The Brit government and coppers often aren’t as bright as their foreign counterparts.
bigtruck:
Get past it any side I can providing its safe to do so end off.
M40 sb a few weeks back, early hours…which one were you in then
Seen that myself at quiet times when nobody else is inconvenienced so although its illegal its not an issue
That photo was taken coming up through Cherwell Valley…bulker in lane 1 was sat at about 46/47, the underpowered Merc pulling the DD was dropping rapidly from 50/52 and Johnny in the W&D was also beginning to wain. The parcel plum pulled in and I should’ve been away, but ya man in lane 3 had died right out, much to the delight of the 3 or 4 cars that were behind him and a couple of artics that we’re behind both me and the bulker. This left me with 2 options…slow down and let him in or bury it (i only had about 8t in the back) and G.T.F.O and let him deal with it? I decided on option 2, along with the Irishman who was sat up me jacksy! When we passed junction 10, he was along side me again, shouting something out the window in some foreign tongue… I enquired if he’d join me for coffee but he declined, I presumed he was tight for time and didn’t want to miss the boat. Johnny passed me again last night, Schenke (?) with 2 DPD boxes on the back
No, they don’t have scameras for this yet, so ■■■■■■■■ to it, all this 'the rule book (highway code) says nonsense is ridiculous, MTFU and get the job done, if it ■■■■■■ people off, hey ho, they hate lorry drivers anyway, so ■■■■ the lot of em 
