dont work for downtons mate
Wheel Nut:
Transalliance GBE expected us to run in on a Saturday, that is why my second home was Ashford on a Friday night, some of the lads stayed in France just to get the continental allowance over the UK subsistence.When I started work, every driver had to work Saturday morning to wash down, grease up and knock the brakes up while everybody mucked in with transhipping or roping. When that was done, the boss wandered round with the wage packets. I imagine Bewick did a similar thing.
I also remember the bosses wife made bacon sandwiches for everyone in the yard, that was an incentive to get your arse out of bed if you were running in
Thought our name might pop up on this subject!!! leaving aside our night men/day men and shunters,our long distance men seemed to fall into two groups which fluctuated in size dependant on how busy we were and where the traffic was flowing to.We had a ■■■■■■■■ of drivers that would willing work every Sunday (8hrs minimum @ double time) this mainly consisted of running to the S.East or S.West to be on the doorstep Monday morning.Then there was the second group(probably the largest) that didn’t want Sundays at any price but didn’t bother about running in from wherever on a Saturday morning.A few in this second group(the usual suspects)did attempt,on a regular basis,to beg to be home on a particular Friday night,usually for some cocked up reason which if it was possible our Traffic office did their best to facilitate which,occaisionally,was impossible.But we had some drivers who just got on with it and never pestered about being home on a Friday.So when any of these last group of drivers asked to be home on a Friday,occaisionally,the Traffic office didn’t hesitate to oblige! In 99% of the years we operated we had little or no probs with drivers causing us grief about wanting to be home.My philosophy was to have all our lads in jobs they were comfortable in i.e. Night trunkers,Day shifters,Shunters,Long distance(nights out).There’s nothing worse than having someone in a job where he his continually causing grief both to the firm and his wife because he’s in a job that dosen’t agree with his lifestyle! Square pegs and round holes!!! I could write a book about handling and dealing with drivers!!Bewick.
Bewick:
Wheel Nut:
Transalliance GBE expected us to run in on a Saturday, that is why my second home was Ashford on a Friday night, some of the lads stayed in France just to get the continental allowance over the UK subsistence.When I started work, every driver had to work Saturday morning to wash down, grease up and knock the brakes up while everybody mucked in with transhipping or roping. When that was done, the boss wandered round with the wage packets. I imagine Bewick did a similar thing.
I also remember the bosses wife made bacon sandwiches for everyone in the yard, that was an incentive to get your arse out of bed if you were running in
Thought our name might pop up on this subject!!! leaving aside our night men/day men and shunters,our long distance men seemed to fall into two groups which fluctuated in size dependant on how busy we were and where the traffic was flowing to.We had a ■■■■■■■■ of drivers that would willing work every Sunday (8hrs minimum @ double time) this mainly consisted of running to the S.East or S.West to be on the doorstep Monday morning.Then there was the second group(probably the largest) that didn’t want Sundays at any price but didn’t bother about running in from wherever on a Saturday morning.A few in this second group(the usual suspects)did attempt,on a regular basis,to beg to be home on a particular Friday night,usually for some cocked up reason which if it was possible our Traffic office did their best to facilitate which,occaisionally,was impossible.But we had some drivers who just got on with it and never pestered about being home on a Friday.So when any of these last group of drivers asked to be home on a Friday,occaisionally,the Traffic office didn’t hesitate to oblige! In 99% of the years we operated we had little or no probs with drivers causing us grief about wanting to be home.My philosophy was to have all our lads in jobs they were comfortable in i.e. Night trunkers,Day shifters,Shunters,Long distance(nights out).There’s nothing worse than having someone in a job where he his continually causing grief both to the firm and his wife because he’s in a job that dosen’t agree with his lifestyle! Square pegs and round holes!!! I could write a book about handling and dealing with drivers!!Bewick.
Bang on the money, both of you, Dennis, the square peg round hole scenario is a nightmare for all concerned, some drivers, such as myself, wheelnut and many others will be round pegs wherever we can, some drivers are square pegs no matter what, I’m shaking my head as I type this, because it seems to me that a lot of the licence holders that ■■■■ and moan on here are in fact square pegs, what they’re doing in transport is beyond my comprehension, mind you it’s logistics now, transport is no more 
grahamzx6r:
OllieNotts:
Night out money isn’t classed as wages though, So 20 quid at the most minus tax is 15 quid at the most. Not enough in my opinionyou don’t get taxed on 20 quid night out money, you only get taxed if it is above 23+, can’t remember the exact figure,( somebody on here will know it,)
It is £29.50 for a night out before tax
Bit like Coffeeholic I worked in the catering trade for a long time so had to work weekends as well as christmas day new year day boxing day etc also ran my own transport company for a few years & have worked as a driver so yep worked all sort of silly hours
Like I aid it is the quality of time you spend not the quantity
animal:
grahamzx6r:
OllieNotts:
Night out money isn’t classed as wages though, So 20 quid at the most minus tax is 15 quid at the most. Not enough in my opinionyou don’t get taxed on 20 quid night out money, you only get taxed if it is above 23+, can’t remember the exact figure,( somebody on here will know it,)
It is £29.50 for a night out before tax
Not quite correct. If you have a sleeper cab you will only get 75% of the agreed national rate untaxed and pay tax on the remainder, unless your company has its own agreement with the revenue.
malcolmj:
so its an extra £20 or so for running in plus your nightout money (tax free) if your parked up by 2000 and 9 off ,start again @ 5 youd be home by 10am and about 45-50 quid better off not too bad for a couple or 3 hours
Why do people insist on bringing their night out money into the maths?
Night out money is a subsistence payment for being away from home, not money that is part of your wages and should never be treated as such. By the time you’ve paid for your tea, and breakfast, then there’s not much left anyhow.
If anyone relies on their night out money to make there wages up, then they’re in the wrong job, and being ripped off.
Back to the topic in question…
I used to work for an employer that paid us £140 for running in on a Saturday, regardless if you did 1 hour or 10, so it was in your interest to leave your max hours for one day, a Friday, so you could be near base for the run in on Saturday morning. Many a time I got home on Friday night, parked the truck nearby, got my night out money and £140 for a 1 hour drive on Saturday morning. 
Ken.
Where both of the conditions in EIM66105 are met the following amounts should be accepted as doing no more than reimburse the expenses of accommodation and subsistence in the United Kingdom.
Year ended
Payment per night
31 December 2010
£30.75
mickfly:
Where both of the conditions in EIM66105 are met the following amounts should be accepted as doing no more than reimburse the expenses of accommodation and subsistence in the United Kingdom.Year ended
Payment per night
31 December 2010
£30.75
But still only 75% untaxed if you have a sleeper cab
Coffeeholic:
mickfly:
Where both of the conditions in EIM66105 are met the following amounts should be accepted as doing no more than reimburse the expenses of accommodation and subsistence in the United Kingdom.Year ended
Payment per night
31 December 2010
£30.75
But still only 75% untaxed if you have a sleeper cab
Yep, I posted this at the same time you posted yours, but didn’t mention teh 75% as I linked to the Tax Office site…
Quinny:
malcolmj:
so its an extra £20 or so for running in plus your nightout money (tax free) if your parked up by 2000 and 9 off ,start again @ 5 youd be home by 10am and about 45-50 quid better off not too bad for a couple or 3 hoursWhy do people insist on bringing their night out money into the maths?
Night out money is a subsistence payment for being away from home, not money that is part of your wages and should never be treated as such. By the time you’ve paid for your tea, and breakfast, then there’s not much left anyhow.
If anyone relies on their night out money to make there wages up, then they’re in the wrong job, and being ripped off.
Back to the topic in question…
I used to work for an employer that paid us £140 for running in on a Saturday, regardless if you did 1 hour or 10, so it was in your interest to leave your max hours for one day, a Friday, so you could be near base for the run in on Saturday morning. Many a time I got home on Friday night, parked the truck nearby, got my night out money and £140 for a 1 hour drive on Saturday morning.
Ken.
And is this company still in business?
Quinny:
Why do people insist on bringing their night out money into the maths?Night out money is a subsistence payment for being away from home, not money that is part of your wages and should never be treated as such. By the time you’ve paid for your tea, and breakfast, then there’s not much left anyhow.
If anyone relies on their night out money to make there wages up, then they’re in the wrong job, and being ripped off.
Ken.
Right Ken,
I’m one of them, the way I see it is this, if you earn, for example, 400 quid a week and get 20 quid N/O money, five nights out gives you 500 quid, so that’s what you get for a weeks work, you could do it another way, 450 a week and a tenner a night out, or 300 a week and 40 a night out, it all adds up to the same 500 quid going in the bank, I class money going into my bank as payment for work to be wages, or am I missing something 
I understand that the whole concept of night out money is to reimburse you for the extra cost of living out on the road, but even at home, food and drinks are not free (unless you live with your parents) so night out money, is money, pure and simple, how you spend it is up to you, you could take food from home with you and not spend a penny out on the road all week, yeah, it’ll add to the bill at the supermarket, but then it would if you were home every night too.
IUn the case where nights out are not guaranteed then I see your point, but every firm I’ve worked at that has required nights away from home has guaranteed the night out money, whether you have them or not, I know that’s a bit of a tax fiddle, but I’m not wearing my care face today 
switchlogic:
Quinny:
malcolmj:
so its an extra £20 or so for running in plus your nightout money (tax free) if your parked up by 2000 and 9 off ,start again @ 5 youd be home by 10am and about 45-50 quid better off not too bad for a couple or 3 hoursWhy do people insist on bringing their night out money into the maths?
Night out money is a subsistence payment for being away from home, not money that is part of your wages and should never be treated as such. By the time you’ve paid for your tea, and breakfast, then there’s not much left anyhow.
If anyone relies on their night out money to make there wages up, then they’re in the wrong job, and being ripped off.
Back to the topic in question…
I used to work for an employer that paid us £140 for running in on a Saturday, regardless if you did 1 hour or 10, so it was in your interest to leave your max hours for one day, a Friday, so you could be near base for the run in on Saturday morning. Many a time I got home on Friday night, parked the truck nearby, got my night out money and £140 for a 1 hour drive on Saturday morning.
Ken.
And is this company still in business?
Very much so, and they have some fairly large contracts on their books.
Ken.
used to work for an employer that paid us £140 for running in on a Saturday, regardless if you did 1 hour or 10, so it was in your interest to leave your max hours for one day, a Friday, so you could be near base for the run in on Saturday morning. Many a time I got home on Friday night, parked the truck nearby, got my night out money and £140 for a 1 hour drive on Saturday morning.
I note you use the word “used” as in “used to work for an employer”. I would hazard a guess that the employer in question no longer pays those sort of rates?
Simple really do you want to keep earning your wage every week or are you going to be one on here in the new year complaining there is no agency work ?
In these depressing times I would run in on Saturday, as usual the new guy gets the short straw. You are going to have to be a bit sharper when it comes to transport, I always kept a nine off and a tern hour day in the bag for a Friday just to get me home if required. If you park up and have 9 off you will probably be home before your house is awake.
You just have to box clever and start using your hours and brain to get yourself where you want to be. They wont worry if you leave as they will get somebody to work for 7.15 an hour especially when there is no work after xmas.
bristolron:
I note you use the word “used” as in “used to work for an employer”. I would hazard a guess that the employer in question no longer pays those sort of rates?
They tried to change it on numerous occasions, but as far as I’m aware, they still do pay it, however on this particular contract, Saturday deliveries I think are now happening as the customer bought another company out about 2 years ago thereby adding to the demand.
Ken.
Quinny:
Why do people insist on bringing their night out money into the maths?Night out money is a subsistence payment for being away from home, not money that is part of your wages and should never be treated as such. By the time you’ve paid for your tea, and breakfast, then there’s not much left anyhow.
If anyone relies on their night out money to make there wages up, then they’re in the wrong job, and being ripped off.
Ken.
sorry ken but im in a position where i do have to count my night out as part of my wage. i shop at morrisons on a weekend to last me the week and the most il spend all week is £10. that to me at the moment with 2 young girls ect is the way it is.
i live in the same area as you and have been looking for a decent local job for the past 4 months and they are all paying a take home of £450 a week some even include sat as this, so im sticking where i am at the moment. 
We are slightly running away with the thread but to comment on Marks reply, yes whatever goes into the bank is wages.
I worked for several companies who rewarded you for a “good” day. It would look quite strange to write too many 17 hour shifts on your timesheet, but you could always book a few extra nights out
Thought i would been away tonight, set off Thurs pm, got parked up Sittinbourne for the night, 1st drop Canterbury, then down to Romesy
near Winchester, made it back to the yard bang on my 10 hour drive, would have been my 1st fri out this year, so thank you the A34 being good today !!
Every job I have had bar none, has always paid a minimum of 4 or 5 hours running in on Saturday, I have had a few try to stiff me, oneway or another, but they always lost out in the long run.