Punchy Dan:
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Advice needed Carryfast how would you get a non runner Drott out of a field with your log grab beaver tail turntable trailer outfit
Why couldnt he just drive / reverse an A frame trailer down there and load it?
Read it again NON RUNNER
And in this hypothetical situation CarryFast has a trailer and a crane no doubt capable of putting it on a low loader trailer. It doesnt have to lift it on only drag it on. If the crane is not capable of doing that then he could just use a winch or drag it on with a tow rope attached to the truck. Or a million other ways.
These modern cranes do not respond well to dragging things and certainly not from 200yrds away like I have done with the big hook ,as for winching I’d sooner not bother .
Punchy Dan:
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Advice needed Carryfast how would you get a non runner Drott out of a field with your log grab beaver tail turntable trailer outfit
It doesn’t have to be a logger.You can actually also have the multi lift and the crane and the low loader.You can drop the trailer and still use the multi lift if you can’t handle it.
Ironically that’s exactly the type of job which I did on the council, or a dead Muir Hill, except it was a 4 wheeler Clydesdale cable multi lift not a hook loader but they all tell me I’m not worthy as an ex council driver none of that counts in my case.
If my Dad could manage to put knocked out Shermans and Churchills onto an M9 trailer in a combat zone.Then I’m sure I could have managed putting the Drott or Muir Hill onto a low loader just the same as dragging it onto the multi lift deck using the spreader bar and cable attached to the multi lift winch cables if I’d been lucky enough to have been given a Swiss type 4 axle drawbar to go with a nice new 6 x 4 Foden 4000 multi lift which was my impossible dream at the time.
However I now realise that being a council driver had/has FUBARed my credibility in that regard so what would I know v the elite.
Remind me again why is your short high deck trailer better than my idea.Oh and you’d find those multi lift winch cables much more useful than that hook loader in that regard it really is a free winch.Bonus points if you run the spreader bar cable through a ■■■■■■ block and attach the end of it to the rear of the chassis.But the council guvnors just wouldn’t listen to me for some reason.
Punchy Dan:
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Advice needed Carryfast how would you get a non runner Drott out of a field with your log grab beaver tail turntable trailer outfit
Why couldnt he just drive / reverse an A frame trailer down there and load it?
That’s more or less what my Dad would have done ( had to do ) with his Diamond T and M9 outfit if it had been a tank in WW2.While hoping that the 88 which had knocked it out from a mile away and spandau machine gun cover wan’t still lurking there waiting for him to arrive.
Punchy Dan:
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Advice needed Carryfast how would you get a non runner Drott out of a field with your log grab beaver tail turntable trailer outfit
Why couldnt he just drive / reverse an A frame trailer down there and load it?
Read it again NON RUNNER
How did you get the ‘non runner’ onto the multi lift deck.So replace the dropped multi lift body with a low loader trailer what’s the big difference.How is the short close couple high trailer better in that regard.
Brearing in mind that the OP originally asked how to avoid the tail wagging the dog in heavy trailer light prime mover mode.Only an A frame will do that.
adam277:
And in this hypothetical situation CarryFast has a trailer and a crane no doubt capable of putting it on a low loader trailer. It doesnt have to lift it on only drag it on. If the crane is not capable of doing that then he could just use a winch or drag it on with a tow rope attached to the truck. Or a million other ways.
It ain’t hypothetical.It’s how most sensible places ( like Switzerland ) still work to this day.
Thanks OP and Dan you’ve sent me looking for what my Dad had told me about his job and I found it.Never seen that video before brilliant stuff.My taste in trucks is obviously in my genes although he’d have been proud to know that I could have reversed that to the tank even if I was shaking with fear of being shot or blown up at the time.
I know nothing about wagon and drags, roll on roll off, crane wagon jobbies, but I know that I would either ask Dan to do the job, or if he was unavailable then Switch would get the call before Carryfart andd he knows less than I do lol
adam277:
And in this hypothetical situation CarryFast has a trailer and a crane no doubt capable of putting it on a low loader trailer. It doesnt have to lift it on only drag it on. If the crane is not capable of doing that then he could just use a winch or drag it on with a tow rope attached to the truck. Or a million other ways.
These modern cranes do not respond well to dragging things and certainly not from 200yrds away like I have done with the big hook ,as for winching I’d sooner not bother .
Either way you’ve still got to get a dead machine onto the load deck whether dropped multi lift or a low loader trailer where’s the big difference.
Other than a decent A frame trailer provides a longer lower load deck, with a lower tare weight, than your prime mover can provide, or your short high close coupled trailer, also regarding the OP’s question no issues of the tail wagging the dog.
What’s not to like.
As for winching.A winch, preferably with a ■■■■■■ block, is ultimately the right way of doing the job of a straight pull.
Not using something designed to lift whether a Hiab.Or a hook loader ?.
As I said the cable type multi lift can do that job better than a hook loader or a crane albeit a lot of aggro heaving the spreader bar around and attaching it to the multi lift cables.I didn’t like using it for that job but still better than Hiab work.The cable type also leaves more load deck space to the cab than a hook loader.
So front Hiab, cable type multi lift, 6 wheeler, prime mover, 3 or 4 axle A frame trailer.Seems to cover all the bases winch, crane, multi lift drop body and decent length low loader trailer.
No worries about tail wagging the dog even with a 24t + gross trailer v 10-12t prime mover.
Or maybe just fit the low loader trailer with a decent winch and forget about the multi lift.
scottie0011:
I know nothing about wagon and drags, roll on roll off, crane wagon jobbies, but I know that I would either ask Dan to do the job, or if he was unavailable then Switch would get the call before Carryfart andd he knows less than I do lol
Translates as you know absolutely nothing with thereby nothing constructive to add.But you still felt the need to reply to a question, regarding how to best configure and avoid the situation of the tail wagging the dog, of a truck and trailer outfit, as opposed to an artic.
Regardless of the fact that I’ve actually done the exact job described by Dan, over a 5 year period with the same employer, using similar equipment as Dan’s.
Don’t see anything which Dan has shown which is supposedly mutually exclusive with a low loader A frame trailer v close coupled trailer, which was the point regarding the OP’s question.
Switchlogic’s face fits better than mine even though you don’t even know me.Who would have thought it.
Oh and for what its worth I’d probably employ Adam 277 over you or Switchlogic.
Dan can obviously employ whoever he wants he has different ideas to me and vice versa I’m sure that he can deal with it unlike you or Switchlogic.
scottie0011:
I know nothing about wagon and drags, roll on roll off, crane wagon jobbies, but I know that I would either ask Dan to do the job, or if he was unavailable then Switch would get the call before Carryfart andd he knows less than I do lol
Switch only knows so much about cranes cause hes had to call out cranes for himself.
Wheel Nut:
This Foden keeps earning its keep for our local recovery man, he still has a few and owned many more. [emoji14]
If you look at the post from Jan 9th this year on Mick Gould’s FB page you’ll see one of these old Fodens really earning it’s keep. Mick Gould Commercials Ltd | Wadhurst
I think me and Dan can agree on a liking for Fodens.My Grandad’s occupation on the family certificates is listed as ( steam ) Foden driver not lorry/wagon/road locomotive etc driver.
Carryfast:
Translates as you know absolutely nothing with thereby nothing constructive to add.But you still felt the need to reply to a question
Says the man who doesn’t let having no experience of something stop him from spouting off about it, endlessly. You’re legendary for it on here, the Trucknet reigning champion for misinformed bo locks, so sit down
Carryfast:
Translates as you know absolutely nothing with thereby nothing constructive to add.But you still felt the need to reply to a question
Says the man who doesn’t let having no experience of something stop him from spouting off about it, endlessly. You’re legendary for it on here, the Trucknet reigning champion for misinformed bo locks, so sit down
Oh wait but I do have close to 10 years experience of driving drawbars both close coupled and A frame types so I know what will wag the dog and what won’t.
I do have close enough to 5 years experience of driving cable type multi lift vehicles on plant haulage similar to that shown like dead and running Drotts and Muir Hills and even some hook loader type multi lift use too.Also some tipper and bulk refuse multi lift experience too.So I do know that a multi lift ain’t mutually exclusive with pulling an A frame drawbar trailer just like a close coupled one.
Also a few months Hiab on agency which was more than enough.
I don’t think you’ve ever held a job long enough to get close to that even if you had driven any of those types.
I have absolutely no experience whatsoever of ever putting a artic in a ditch and almost getting it on its side so you’ve at least trumped me in that regard.I’m guessing no thanks from the guvnor for your safe driving there.If it had been UPS they probably would have passed on the 3 avoidables allowance in that case and cut to the chase of summary dismissal.
‘Experience’ is overated.
When I first got on A-frame trailers. I had a warehouse guy show me how to hook it up. Then I was left to my own devices. (Reversing was a nasty surpise :p).
Same with removable bodies.
Same with pretty much any tail lift.
Same with moveable floors.
Same with doubledecker moving floors.
Same with strapping
Same with fridges
Actually, the only time I got training was for a single trunk run. Which was driving from Essex to Birmingham. (God knows why).
Nothing beats common sense and willingness to wing it.
I’ve never driven a roll on roll off truck, never used a hiab either. Pretty sure, I could though.
The thing to remember is that as experienced as you think you are.
There is probably hundreds of 15-19 year olds in India or Africa who are doing your exact job across the world. Probably doing it pretty ■■■■ good as well.
Carryfast:
Translates as you know absolutely nothing with thereby nothing constructive to add.But you still felt the need to reply to a question
Says the man who doesn’t let having no experience of something stop him from spouting off about it, endlessly. You’re legendary for it on here, the Trucknet reigning champion for misinformed bo locks, so sit down
Oh wait but I do have close to 10 years experience of driving drawbars both close coupled and A frame types so I know what will wag the dog and what won’t.
I do have close enough to 5 years experience of driving cable type multi lift vehicles on plant haulage similar to that shown like dead and running Drotts and Muir Hills and even some hook loader type multi lift use too.Also some tipper and bulk refuse multi lift experience too.So I do know that a multi lift ain’t mutually exclusive with pulling an A frame drawbar trailer just like a close coupled one.
Also a few months Hiab on agency which was more than enough.
I don’t think you’ve ever held a job long enough to get close to that even if you had driven any of those types.
I have absolutely no experience whatsoever of ever putting a artic in a ditch and almost getting it on its side so you’ve at least trumped me in that regard.I’m guessing no thanks from the guvnor for your safe driving there.If it had been UPS they probably would have passed on the 3 avoidables allowance in that case and cut to the chase of summary dismissal.
Was talking in general, not this specific post. Try again
how would you get a non runner Drott out of a field with your log grab beaver tail turntable trailer outfit
