Carryfast:
I have absolutely no experience whatsoever of ever putting a artic in a ditch and almost getting it on its side so you’ve at least trumped me in that regard.I’m guessing no thanks from the guvnor for your safe driving there.If it had been UPS they probably would have passed on the 3 avoidables allowance in that case and cut to the chase of summary dismissal.
Just in case anyone is wondering what the forum fool is talking about
The thing to remember is that as experienced as you think you are.
There is probably hundreds of 15-19 year olds in India or Africa who are doing your exact job across the world. Probably doing it pretty ■■■■ good as well.
Carryfast what is your worst accident?
This! I think this is why so many older drivers like to big up how hard the job is, how skilful the job is, because they can’t deal with idea an twenty something who’s been driving five minutes in their eyes can do the job as well as them. I’m opposite, love seeing new drivers enter the industry
The thing to remember is that as experienced as you think you are.
There is probably hundreds of 15-19 year olds in India or Africa who are doing your exact job across the world. Probably doing it pretty ■■■■ good as well.
Carryfast what is your worst accident?
This! I think this is why so many older drivers like to big up how hard the job is, how skilful the job is, because they can’t deal with idea an twenty something who’s been driving five minutes in their eyes can do the job as well as them. I’m opposite, love seeing new drivers enter the industry
Switchlogic’s hypocrisy is laughable.He is obviously saying that experience ( or my supposed lack of it ) matters.Oh wait now it doesn’t actually matter when I show that he is talking the usual defamatory bs directed at me.
So which is it does it matter or not ?.
Bearing in mind that I’m the one who’s career was in large part blighted and trashed by the zb experience word stopping those who’s face doesn’t fit moving up the ladder.While younger ex bus drivers get fast tracked to the top.
He seems to be arguing with himself.
You’ll find numerous posts by me saying that new drivers are held back by the best jobs in the industry being reserved for a self entitled elite. But which can conveniently be circumvented for the ‘right’ people.
Switchlogic is one of the self proclaimed winners in that scam obviously still trying to use the experience word when he thinks that it will help his pathetic stone throwing superiority complex. Now trying to run with the hare and the hounds, makes him look like an even bigger hypocrite.
So I can add the double standard that if I’d have put a truck in a ditch because I couldn’t handle the miles without falling off my perch I’d have been sacked with immediate effect and with extreme prejududice.
Switchlogic does it he just gets the choice of truck upgrade to go with some of the best quality work in the industry.That’s the definition of a face fits career progression regime and he is up to his neck in it.
When did driving around Europe become the best quality work in the industry?
Pay is often poor and your often stuck in a tin can eating cans of cold baked beans.
Carryfast:
Switchlogic’s hypocrisy is laughable.He is obviously saying that experience ( or my supposed lack of it ) matters.Oh wait now it doesn’t actually matter when I show that he is talking the usual defamatory bs directed at me.
So which is it does it matter or not ?
I did used to think you were fairly intelligent but you have really put paid to that idea. You use this forum so much you you seem unable to grasp or keep up with basic conversations. Experience…my WHOLE POINT, over and over and over again has been that if I can do it anyone can, even you. I only bring up what I’ve done as you try to dismiss my opinions because I’ve not experienced of whatever fantasy you’ve concocted this week. I only mention yours, or rather lack of it, because as I said initially I was sad for you at your disappointing career. As I’ve said over and over again it was all in your hands, you didn’t grasp the nettle and now you’re a bitter old whinger about it because deep down you realise it was all your own fault. Despite what you think NOTHING fell into my lap, took me 3 and a half years to find my first truck driving job and I’ve worked ridiculously hard my whole adult life
adam277:
When did driving around Europe become the best quality work in the industry?
Pay is often poor and your often stuck in a tin can eating cans of cold baked beans.
The thing to remember is that as experienced as you think you are.
There is probably hundreds of 15-19 year olds in India or Africa who are doing your exact job across the world. Probably doing it pretty ■■■■ good as well.
Carryfast what is your worst accident?
This! I think this is why so many older drivers like to big up how hard the job is, how skilful the job is, because they can’t deal with idea an twenty something who’s been driving five minutes in their eyes can do the job as well as them. I’m opposite, love seeing new drivers enter the industry
Switchlogic’s hypocrisy is laughable.He is obviously saying that experience ( or my supposed lack of it ) matters.Oh wait now it doesn’t actually matter when I show that he is talking the usual defamatory bs directed at me.
So which is it does it matter or blah blah blah etc
Also worth noting that my comment here wasn’t aimed at you. You can tell as you’re not an ‘older driver’, you’re not even a driver at all
adam277:
When did driving around Europe become the best quality work in the industry?
Pay is often poor and your often stuck in a tin can eating cans of cold baked beans.
Nights out in a truck cab goes with the territory of lots of driving between far flung destinations through great terrain.
To be fair a decent truck cab isn’t a bad place to be for a few nights out.Some people actually live in worse colder places.
As for cold beans if Carslberg did motorway service stations and restaurants they’d all be run by Movenpick.No cold beans needed to be eaten on the Barking/Paris/Milan run at least.
Carryfast:
Switchlogic’s hypocrisy is laughable.He is obviously saying that experience ( or my supposed lack of it ) matters.Oh wait now it doesn’t actually matter when I show that he is talking the usual defamatory bs directed at me.
So which is it does it matter or not ?
I did used to think you were fairly intelligent but you have really put paid to that idea. You use this forum so much you you seem unable to grasp or keep up with basic conversations. Experience…my WHOLE POINT, over and over and over again has been that if I can do it anyone can, even you. I only bring up what I’ve done as you try to dismiss my opinions because I’ve not experienced of whatever fantasy you’ve concocted this week. I only mention yours, or rather lack of it, because as I said initially I was sad for you at your disappointing career. As I’ve said over and over again it was all in your hands, you didn’t grasp the nettle and now you’re a bitter old whinger about it because deep down you realise it was all your own fault. Despite what you think NOTHING fell into my lap, took me 3 and a half years to find my first truck driving job and I’ve worked ridiculously hard my whole adult life
So tell us what did you mean by ‘‘says the man who doesn’t let having no experience of something stop him’’ ( commenting on a topic regarding the question of best truck configuration to avoid tail wagging the dog ) .
Why don’t you just be honest for once regarding what you’ve said and that just maybe your comments directed at me might just be wide of the mark by a mile or three.Especially and obviously in this case.
Maybe if you’d have lowered your sights a bit like lowly not worthy council driver and driving a scaffold truck on agency you would have got a start a bit sooner in the job.You know like all the advice so many new drivers get start at the bottom.
Instead of which you chose the easy option of PSV driving.
What I don’t then expect is someone younger to end up on international work after circumventing all that by driving a bleedin bus while I get my back broke put to work as a warehouse labourer while those leap froggers like you take the better/best international work ahead of me.
Let alone having the insult of being told by that bus driver with a penchant for ditching trucks, that having stuck at that council driving job to get a start makes me not worthy to even comment on here let alone compete with those like you who’ve been given it all on plate, for the decent work which you think you had a god given right to.
As I said the only reason why I ended up as a warehouse labourer not you was because of the equally hypocritical employment regime of my final employer in the industry.Thanking me for my service then disciplining me for refusing to be a warehouse labourer rather than putting me to work on the job I was paid for and giving it to those like you instead.
As I said an industry with an arbitrary face fits career progression regime.The only surprise is how bitter about the industry that I’m clearly not.
I think the best work in the industry is probably being employed by Ford.
The pay way above market rates and most of it is day work.
Although getting a job at Ford is another matter.
adam277:
I think the best work in the industry is probably being employed by Ford.
The pay way above market rates and most of it is day work.
Although getting a job at Ford is another matter.
If you think my issues with Switch and UPS and TGWU are bad you wouldn’t have believed the zb show that the Ford job descended into.
The factory workers understandably wanted a way out.To the point of wanting first choice of driving jobs over ‘outsiders’ , even if they didn’t have a licence then they wanted training.
However the rumour was that there was a clique among the union that was reserving jobs for drivers from outside on a face fits who they knew basis.Nothing new there in the industry.
That then escalated to an internal race discrimination issue within the Union.
Probably all subbed out now knowing the TGWU/Unite.
Carryfast:
Switchlogic’s hypocrisy is laughable.He is obviously saying that experience ( or my supposed lack of it ) matters.Oh wait now it doesn’t actually matter when I show that he is talking the usual defamatory bs directed at me.
So which is it does it matter or blah blah blah etc
Also worth noting that my comment here wasn’t aimed at you. You can tell as you’re not an ‘older driver’, you’re not even a driver at all
So OP asks which is best to avoid a tail wagging dog situation obviously in the case of a drawbar outfit re light prime mover v a heavy trailer.I say A frame is the best/only logical choice.You obviously have a problem with that.Not because it’s right or wrong but because you think I have ‘no experience’ to qualify my comment.When the fact is I’ve probably driven both types of drawbar outfit more miles backwards than you have forwards.
Not to mention plant haulage with a Multi Lift flat which for some reason Dan seems to be sugggesting is mutually exclusive with an A frame trailer but not close coupled.
However you seem to think that you’re something special because somehow you’ve managed to get to the top by leap frogging more deserving, longer serving, drivers, from the easy option of PSV work, to the point where ditching an artic outfit actually only helped your career move forward.
As opposed to ending it as it would probably have done in my case if I’d have managed to have done that before the firm wrecked my back by using me as a warehouse labourer.
adam277:
When did driving around Europe become the best quality work in the industry?
Pay is often poor and your often stuck in a tin can eating cans of cold baked beans.
My highest earning driver was on 54k. Hours could be long but actual hours worked were around 35, combination of double manning and long ferry crossings. 50% of the time in hotels.
Carryfast, you have indicated before you might come out of retirement.
Why dont you just do that and do the EU work that you crave?
When was the last time you drove a truck out of curiosity?
I am genuinely curious if you have driven a truck this century or not.
adam277:
When did driving around Europe become the best quality work in the industry?
Pay is often poor and your often stuck in a tin can eating cans of cold baked beans.
My highest earning driver was on 54k. Hours could be long but actual hours worked were around 35, combination of double manning and long ferry crossings. 50% of the time in hotels.
I’d say he was doing ok then. Although 54k is not enough for me to double man.
But from what I’ve read about you as an employer… Your the exception. Most pay peanuts for the ‘honour’ of driving around europe.
It’s not just europe as well. That seems to attract people to have a ■■■■■ in wages.
I’ve known people who havent taken significant pay cuts to drive a better quality truck.
At my old firm a guy literally quit because he was made to drive a DAF. (Apparently he could only drive a Scania…)
To upset CF more, I took on a 24 and a 23 year old to do euro work. The younger of the two was one of my best drivers.
On the newbies board I’ve often given advice that you need to be the kind of person that the emoyer believes will represent him well with the customers and get on with the rest of the staff. I would always employ some one with less experience and a good attitude over some with bad attitude and more experience. You can provide training and especially as we double manned, put an inexperienced driver with an experienced one, but you can’t do anything with a driver that annoys customers and causes disharmony with the rest of the drivers.
On the subject of rollovers in ditches, fortunately we never had one, in fact rarely had accidents. The most stupid was probably hitting a forecourt canopy. Accidents happen and its a definite that he wouldn’t ever hit a canopy again. No point in getting rid of a good driver over a stupid mistake.
adam277:
When did driving around Europe become the best quality work in the industry?
Pay is often poor and your often stuck in a tin can eating cans of cold baked beans.
My highest earning driver was on 54k. Hours could be long but actual hours worked were around 35, combination of double manning and long ferry crossings. 50% of the time in hotels.
I’d say he was doing ok then. Although 54k is not enough for me to double man.
But from what I’ve read about you as an employer… Your the exception. Most pay peanuts for the ‘honour’ of driving around europe.
It’s not just europe as well. That seems to attract people to have a ■■■■■ in wages.
I’ve known people who havent taken significant pay cuts to drive a better quality truck.
At my old firm a guy literally quit because he was made to drive a DAF. (Apparently he could only drive a Scania…)
We were a rarity, but decent jobs exist. Double manning is a peculiar thing, but we did mix with single man driving and accomodate for personality clashes. It couldn’t have been too bad as barely anyone left and when they did it was for personal reasons rather than the job.
adam277:
When did driving around Europe become the best quality work in the industry?
Pay is often poor and your often stuck in a tin can eating cans of cold baked beans.
My highest earning driver was on 54k. Hours could be long but actual hours worked were around 35, combination of double manning and long ferry crossings. 50% of the time in hotels.
I’d say he was doing ok then. Although 54k is not enough for me to double man.
But from what I’ve read about you as an employer… Your the exception. Most pay peanuts for the ‘honour’ of driving around europe.
It’s not just europe as well. That seems to attract people to have a ■■■■■ in wages.
I’ve known people who havent taken significant pay cuts to drive a better quality truck.
At my old firm a guy literally quit because he was made to drive a DAF. (Apparently he could only drive a Scania…)
We were a rarity, but decent jobs exist. Double manning is a peculiar thing, but we did mix with single man driving and accomodate for personality clashes. It couldn’t have been too bad as barely anyone left and when they did it was for personal reasons rather than the job.
Doublemanning is a love or hate thing. I wouldnt do it. But I am a bit of a ‘lonewolf’ type lol.
Another thing I wont do is transport livestock. I’ve done it before and transporting a trailer full of pigs crying and crammed in a metal box is just not worth it.
Carryfast:
However you seem to think that you’re something special because
How the actual f… are you still not getting this. Is you who keeps making out I’m special. My WHOLE POINT! I’ll say again in capitals MY WHOLE POINT is that I only did what anyone could, that I’m not special, that my career isn’t unusual and actually very common, yeah, I’m so special. Good grief you are starting to come across as incredibly stupid
Carryfast:
somehow you’ve managed to get to the top by leap frogging more deserving, longer serving, drivers, from the easy option of PSV work
Funny how you persist with this leap frogging idea, when you had such a short career yourself. Been at it 25 years this year, and I’m only 43 (44 by time 25 year career anniversary) with AT LEAST another 20 to do, as unlike you I don’t see being injured as a barrier. I also say at least as like my Dad I don’t see me retiring. I started driving professionally at 19 and my dream job, Virginia happened just as I was turning 30. So who did I leapfrog exactly? (Also worth noting that you wouldn’t last 5 seconds on PSV work)
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
Switchlogic’s hypocrisy is laughable.He is obviously saying that experience ( or my supposed lack of it ) matters.Oh wait now it doesn’t actually matter when I show that he is talking the usual defamatory bs directed at me.
So which is it does it matter or blah blah blah etc
Also worth noting that my comment here wasn’t aimed at you. You can tell as you’re not an ‘older driver’, you’re not even a driver at all
Yup it does when someone is talking bull ■■■■ about something they have zero experience of…automatics say in your case, tho I can list a stream of things you pretentiously pontificate about if interested. Most people who don’t know about something and have no experience of stay quiet, not you. So no experience doesn’t matter to me, bullhiers do. The idea that young drivers get influenced by your nonsense and misinformation annoys me. Thankfully I think most know your reputation for it on here. Often if I mention Trucknet on Twitter or Facebook people will mention how they haven’t been on here years and ask if Carryfast still plagues it. And congratulations. In my 24 years a driver, 25 later this year, you are far and away the biggest bull*ter I’ve EVER met. Some achievement for an industry plagued by them so well done.