sayersy:
45 mins on POA does clear your card.
You are of course correct.
Unfortunately it clears it in the “wrong” way! Due to the way the software is set up 45 mins POA will wipe clean your accumulated driving time according to your dash display, but it WILL NOT in reality clear your actual driving time. Only a proper break will do that. Please don’t fall for that as I guarantee you it will cost you money.
the maoster:
sayersy:
45 mins on POA does clear your card.You are of course correct.
Unfortunately it clears it in the “wrong” way! Due to the way the software is set up 45 mins POA will wipe clean your accumulated driving time according to your dash display, but it WILL NOT in reality clear your actual driving time. Only a proper break will do that. Please don’t fall for that as I guarantee you it will cost you money.
I’ve got a feeling someone is going to have a rather large amount of infringements on their card lol
I’m with you there Brother. 
NewLad:
the maoster:
sayersy:
45 mins on POA does clear your card.You are of course correct.
Unfortunately it clears it in the “wrong” way! Due to the way the software is set up 45 mins POA will wipe clean your accumulated driving time according to your dash display, but it WILL NOT in reality clear your actual driving time. Only a proper break will do that. Please don’t fall for that as I guarantee you it will cost you money.
I’ve got a feeling someone is going to have a rather large amount of infringements on their card lol
On the contrary, our records are professionally checked, and I have no infringements…because if I use a POA, I still have a break if necessary. I’m hourly paid
Even if I was hourly paid, I still wouldn’t use POA, I’d just make sure I have a ‘propper’ stop in a layby/services rather than while being tipped.
The great thing about doing it that way is, if you want or need to get home ASAP you can and don’t have to sit there 20 mins from the yard.
This thread got me thinking about the regs again.
Frankly, I don’t think there could be a worse way to regulate drivers.
You can be at work for at least double the hours most people work. You can legally drive for 4.5 hours without a break, yet drivers of smaller vehicles are advised to take a break every two hours. You can have only 9 hours off between shifts, spending a high percentage of that time not actually resting, but driving to and from the yard, playing with the kids, showering, eating. So perhaps only 5 or 6 hours sleeping. Then, you can legally do another 15 hour shift… and that’s ok, crack on driver, you can’t be tired because you are not breaking the rules…
Get 25 mins from home as in the OPs case, and keep driving over your time and you could find yourself in a very serious position, especially if you had an accident whilst doing so.
And the regulations are there to make sure drivers don’t drive tired, at least in part.
■■■■■■■■ are they!
We all know the driver legally has the right to call it. But the majority do what the boss says. Half the drivers in the country are legal and knackered to buggery, whilst someone else may be as fresh as paint but in the ■■■■.
Oh, how wonderful the regs are for us mucky truckers!
NewLad:
Even if I was hourly paid, I still wouldn’t use POA, I’d just make sure I have a ‘propper’ stop in a layby/services rather than while being tipped.The great thing about doing it that way is, if you want or need to get home ASAP you can and don’t have to sit there 20 mins from the yard.
Fair enough. I use POA to keep my average hours down over the 16 week reference period, enabling me to get more overtime.
Truckulent:
This thread got me thinking about the regs again.Frankly, I don’t think there could be a worse way to regulate drivers.
You can be at work for at least double the hours most people work. You can legally drive for 4.5 hours without a break, yet drivers of smaller vehicles are advised to take a break every two hours. You can have only 9 hours off between shifts, spending a high percentage of that time not actually resting, but driving to and from the yard, playing with the kids, showering, eating. So perhaps only 5 or 6 hours sleeping. Then, you can legally do another 15 hour shift… and that’s ok, crack on driver, you can’t be tired because you are not breaking the rules…
Get 25 mins from home as in the OPs case, and keep driving over your time and you could find yourself in a very serious position, especially if you had an accident whilst doing so.
And the regulations are there to make sure drivers don’t drive tired, at least in part.
■■■■■■■■ are they!
We all know the driver legally has the right to call it. But the majority do what the boss says. Half the drivers in the country are legal and knackered to buggery, whilst someone else may be as fresh as paint but in the [zb].
Oh, how wonderful the regs are for us mucky truckers!
People who don’t work in the industry, and don’t understand the regs, think it helps to keep them safe. When I tell them I can work an 84 hour week, have a day off and do another 84 hours, their faces are a picture/
removed / edited my post, Rob beat me to it
nick2008:
shuttlespanker:
nick2008:
Radar19:
On the way back from a tip and I got the 4.25 hour warning. The depot is 20 minutes away. Having already done one block of 4.5 earlier today I’m down to my last hour on the 10 hour day. What would VOSA if I went over my drive time being slow close to home.P.s I am sitting in a laybay having my 30 minute break as I didn’t want to risk it, I’m just curious about the situation.
You’d get SHOT and you would still be in to a 10hr drive so it would be totally pointless. I really suggest you sit down at some point and read the Basic regs again, and understand 9 hrs drive max extended 2 times to 10 …13hrs shift extend to 15hrs etc … I know your a newbie but really …
Ady, i really don’t want to be pedantic, BUT…
can you show me in the rules and regs where it states that you can do a 13 hour shift extending to a 15 hour shift?
there is no rule or regulation stating how much time you can have on duty
there is, however, a rule stating how much REST you must have within a 24 hour period
a lot of the confusion is because people get the terminology incorrect, if we can get that part right, it all becomes a lot simpler to understand the rules and regs
hope this helps
fair cop but you and he knows what im on about
Out of interest, I’ve had a couple of spilt rests in the last couple of weeks, each time I didn’t sleep, I wonder how many others have had split rests and not had a kip, I could have legally done 90 hours had I used all my reduced rests that week, which isva staggering amount of hours to do, especially if your going home at night too 
Truckulent:
This thread got me thinking about the regs again.Frankly, I don’t think there could be a worse way to regulate drivers.
You can be at work for at least double the hours most people work. You can legally drive for 4.5 hours without a break, yet drivers of smaller vehicles are advised to take a break every two hours. You can have only 9 hours off between shifts, spending a high percentage of that time not actually resting, but driving to and from the yard, playing with the kids, showering, eating. So perhaps only 5 or 6 hours sleeping. Then, you can legally do another 15 hour shift… and that’s ok, crack on driver, you can’t be tired because you are not breaking the rules…
Get 25 mins from home as in the OPs case, and keep driving over your time and you could find yourself in a very serious position, especially if you had an accident whilst doing so.
And the regulations are there to make sure drivers don’t drive tired, at least in part.
■■■■■■■■ are they!
We all know the driver legally has the right to call it. But the majority do what the boss says. Half the drivers in the country are legal and knackered to buggery, whilst someone else may be as fresh as paint but in the [zb].
Oh, how wonderful the regs are for us mucky truckers!
Agreed 100%… Madness. Many times when I was trunking to Heathrow, I’d be heading back home, ETA VERY close to my 15hr spread, and I start getting a bit tired, but no time to stop for 15 minute shut eye or even a coffee because I’d then be over my 15hrs, so drive back tired and hope to survive it. Obviously I packed this job in before it killed me or I killed someone else.
sayersy:
NewLad:
Even if I was hourly paid, I still wouldn’t use POA, I’d just make sure I have a ‘propper’ stop in a layby/services rather than while being tipped.The great thing about doing it that way is, if you want or need to get home ASAP you can and don’t have to sit there 20 mins from the yard.
Fair enough. I use POA to keep my average hours down over the 16 week reference period, enabling me to get more overtime.
Recording a break would do EXACTLY the same thing as recording POA 
Why do people think that POA magically turns the clock back on their working time? It doesn’t, it just doesn’t add to it, the same as a break doesn’t add to it.
NewLad:
Out of interest, I’ve had a couple of spilt rests in the last couple of weeks, each time I didn’t sleep, I wonder how many others have had split rests and not had a kip, I could have legally done 90 hours had I used all my reduced rests that week, which isva staggering amount of hours to do, especially if your going home at night too
Yep, hence I won’t reduce when back at base.
If they want me to have under 11hrs off, they pay me a night out and I’ll sleep in the truck, other than that, see you in 11hrs
waynedl:
Why do people think that POA magically turns the clock back on their working time? It doesn’t, it just doesn’t add to it, the same as a break doesn’t add to it.
Because recording a break can screw you up later
nick2008:
waynedl:
Why do people think that POA magically turns the clock back on their working time? It doesn’t, it just doesn’t add to it, the same as a break doesn’t add to it.Because recording a break can screw you up later
How Nick? Not trying to be funny but I can’t see a scenario where having a break opposed to POA would screw you up.
the maoster:
nick2008:
waynedl:
Why do people think that POA magically turns the clock back on their working time? It doesn’t, it just doesn’t add to it, the same as a break doesn’t add to it.Because recording a break can screw you up later
How Nick? Not trying to be funny but I can’t see a scenario where having a break opposed to POA would screw you up.
it does happen
I think I had a 15 break then later thought I bang it on break and not POA but it screwed me later as I had to have yet another break later where if I had used poa I would have still had to have a break later but it would have worked out better for me …
Its one of them stupid things that don’t come to light till you do it , (if you know what I mean , bit like getting married 
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nick2008:
the maoster:
nick2008:
waynedl:
Why do people think that POA magically turns the clock back on their working time? It doesn’t, it just doesn’t add to it, the same as a break doesn’t add to it.Because recording a break can screw you up later
How Nick? Not trying to be funny but I can’t see a scenario where having a break opposed to POA would screw you up.
it does happen
It’s true, having a break too early can cost you more time in the long run, but recording POA can also screw you up too.
It’d help if we knew our days plans, but there’s a lot of ‘cloak and daggers’ in the offices of the firms I’ve worked for, meaning planning your day is like asking your 3yr old daughter when you should take a break or eat 
