Would it be a wise move?

[foxy_stars]

if you’d actually bothered to read what i write properly then you’d be a darn sight better off.

the original question was about restricted licensing yeah ■■? so why is it that when you don’t know me or my work or my setup do you have to try bashing it - the way i work - works simples !: and over the years i’ve made a lot of money, BOUGHT THE THINGS I WANTED WITH CASH NOT CREDIT.

i’ve never read a positive post from you at all - oh sorry one the one with the nice scanny in it.

the job i’m doing with MY forks is a site shut down - when it’s finished it’s finished the time frame is just what’s expected. no building company is going pay for any kit to stay on site anymore (i got two options, i can leave it unguarded on a building site saturday and sunday or i can put it to work elsewhere which is what i do) if they don’t need it - it doesn’t make sense to the building company to have it on site if they’re not using it does it ■■? what i do with my telehandler is upto me - my insurers have always prefered that i don’t leave it on the job at the end of the week and they know more about how i operate than you’ll ever know.

i bought my forks (cash purchase) a long time ago when i was on the building schools for the future project with cruden construction (stockton heath junior school, padgate high school and fearnhead nursery school as well as 3 housing estates) also did some social housing projects in halton lea for them. i bought my yard (cash purchase) during the financial crash cos it was a wise move cost a fair bit then but it doesn’t cost me for storage now and made very good business sense, i bought my forks cos it made sense - it gave me the oportunity to earn more and the flexibility to work on different projects, it also allowed me to have closer links into those firms cos they wanted me to do the job and they got a good rate for the forks as part of the package and it has over time has worked out very, very well for me.

i’m looking for a truck cos as i outlined earlier it gives me more control of expenses even if it’s sat there doing nothing (not gunna cost me anything to keep it sat there) it’s still going to cost me less everytime i need it both now and in the future - i said earlier that this was a long term thing and it is (i’m thinking about what’s going to happen in the next 5/10years) if this was just for the here and now then it doesn’t make sense but it’s not - the forks were a long term investment and that investment has come good with ■■■■ good returns for the initial outlay and over time the rig would pay for itself cos it’s not gunna cost half as much for me to move my forks as opposed to getting someone else to do it is it ■■?

why you think that i would i want to keep shelling out to keep someone else’s rig on the road is anyone’s guess ■■? cos all that is, is dead money.

why would i do that when i can have a truck that does the job i want it to do when i want it to do it ■■? all it’s gunna cost is exactly that - my costs and not someone else’s over inflated prices - i wouldn’t be paying for someone else’s truck, trailer, time etc… paying other people to do stuff like this that i can do for myself doesn’t make sense anymore. like everyone else in business i gotta to keep my overheads to minimum and by doing this i’ll be doing just that.

i drive trucks for an agency (bonnie lass knows which one) when things go really quiet like they have been over the last few years — i know plenty of telehandler drivers with class I licences that swap between the two - is there a problem with being both a telehandler operator and a truck driver ■■? afterall i gotta eat and pay the bills.

i do things this way cos everything has been really slow in picking up since the financial crash - before xmas my forks were in my yard cos nowhere was building anything round here - the bellway job i’m on has been shortened cos the houses aren’t selling cos people can’t get mortgages and the infrastructure projects are taking forever to come on stream - plans are in place and that’s about it, this situation has been like this for the last 4/5 years hence the reason why i get in truck every now and then. RAM Projects mothballed three massive jobs after buying the land breaking ground and then deciding to pull the plug — you seem to be under the misguided impression that everywhere’s got loads of work when the industry is on it’s knees and has been for about the last 4/5years and yep it’s been difficult but hell there is a way out but it’s gunna take long time which i why i’m looking to get my kit now while it’s reasonably cheap cos in 3/4 years time prices ain’t gunna be as low as they are now.

as for your comment with regards to me being a dreamer - you’re soooo wrong, i live very much in the here and now in tandem with my balance sheet that is in the black every week i know what things cost, know that what i’ve got is mine and i know what work i’ve got that’s going to pay my bills at the end of the month and unlike you over the years i put every spare penny in the bank and left it there and now i’ve got the money to go and do the things that will make me even more money i’m being castigated for it why ■■? it is maybe cos you’re just jealous cos you’ve not got this sort of money lying around ■■? is it cos you see people like me bolstering their firms and making them bankrupt proof cos we don’t have to worry about excessive loan repayments ■■? if you’ve got debt then you’ve got a lot to worry about if you haven’t then you got your assets which you can do what you like with.

i suspect that this is totally the opposite for you - i bet you’re a scrounger living on the generous state handouts that my taxes pay for - you’re just another leech sucking more out of this country and putting it more in debt everyday.

I DRIVE BOTH TRUCKS AND TELEHANDLER COS UNLIKE YOU I NEED TO EARN SO I CAN EAT AND MAINTAIN MY LIFESTYLE AND ALSO

UNLIKE YOU - AT LEAST I’M NOT A LEECH…

[goaty]

Own Account Driver:
I’ve, over the years, found all sorts of bits of information and advice of use on this forum. I can tolerate the owner driver ones where the whole thing’s a bit poorly researched and dreamer-ish but timewasters and trolls could discourage people from posting useful info.

Guess if they weren’t doing this they’d be wearing medals off ebay to the local remembrance parade,

[mucker85]

[andrew_s]

so does everyone that owns one piece of plant buy a 30 grand motor to move it once in a while? or do they get a plant carring specialist to move it on a one off basis-you’re a businessman,you tell me what is more cost effective?
“only me and the QS know what i hire my machine out for” - yes,but the rest of us involved in plant/construction in any way shape or form can take a very good guess, and it aint enough to justify a dedicated lorry all blinged up to run it about…
as for your comments about being on benefits,were they directed at me? as i can assure you i have worked all my life-how about yourself? obviously your 40 grand telehandler didnt earn you that much or you wouldnt have had to work for all these people driving their horrible lorries for the last ten years ,making you post on here on another thread about a ■■■■■■ scania T cab that wasnt even made by the factory ffs.
also a lot of talk about "long haul " and “short haul” and “rigs” in your other topic -my guess is you drive forks on a site for someone because you knew about cpcs blue card,but i also think you are either a daydreamer that watches ice road truckers,or a troll. either way you are a ■■■■■■■ liar,stop wasting genuine peoples time…

[foxy_stars]

i’m guessing from your response that you work in plant hire but i don’t see you splashing your plant hire rates around maybe that’s cos it’s between you and your customers done on a POA basis maybe if your rates are as competitive as you say then you’ll furnish these boards wit ha full copy

the cpcs card was yellow and white until they changed it to blue (5years) and red (3years) in about 2005.

if as you say you’d read the other post started by bonnie lass then you’d know summat about how i work cos it was described in there. the long / short haul / truck issue — was about running a truck on other types of work not plant hire/building sites etc… — that i speak of is cos i looked into it and the contracts that were being offered by various firms doing various contract work and formed an opinion from the facts as stated by those firms, is there anything wrong in that and asked some questions and out of what was written i got a lot of useful stuff and came to a conclusion where’s the problem

i did some research into the the various areas that were offered to me at the time which from what you write you seem to have done but without gaining the detail from anything i’ve written — not my problem — most of how i work, what i do and the way i do it is in these boards and in only a couple of topics too — should make it easy for you. i did actually state this at the top of this topic - you just read the bits you wanted to and i can’t do anything about that…

i work for myself whether driving a truck or the forks - i like driving both and i’m gunna have a guess and say that you work in plant hire/sales and prolly not on site but in the office then maybe what i wrote in the topic by bonnie lass doesn’t stack up but in practice it works and it has been proven to.

everyone said that it was a bad move buying my forks, then they said it was a bad move buying my yard and both worked out very well for me - i don’t have any debts at all, i make enough in 5 months to cover my overheads for the rest of the year — i’ve never had to work more than 10months a year and i have absolutely no need for state handouts of any kind. and considering that i’ll own whatever truck i choose to purchase outright then i won’t have the expenses that you’ve obviously got with your trucks — i won’t be paying for someone else to move it - been there done that and it costs a whole heap and i’m struggling to justify their prices and know that, that expense can be put to better use elsewhere.

who said anything about justifying the truck on that basis - i said it’d keep my operating costs down cos i won’t have to pay someone else to move it will i ?
i don’t have to justify it in the way of “well i paid this for it and now it’s gotta make money” - i said at the top that it didn’t and it wasn’t a pre-requisite, i didn’t have to get my forks i could’ve just carried on as it things were but i made a decision - rightly or wrongly and stuck with it and made it work and it has, i didn’t have to buy the yard but with storage fees approaching my max i jumped in and bought it - i didn’t have to but am glad that i took a punt on it. i’m guessing here but thinking that maybe the kit that you supply is all on various the forms of finance which is why this wouldn’t work for you - if you’ve bought your kit then happy days. i’m also guessing but i think that maybe you work in the office so you see the figures and am not sure but if you’re a sole operator then maybe you’d understand.

my overheads are as low they can go - it means that if i want summat nice then i can have it after a certain period of time when i that know the money will be there which is what’s happened here - i accumulated it - spent hardly anything of what i’ve earn’t and now i’m in position where i can make it so that the company expenses even less than they currently are and i’m being slated for it cos this apparently is bad business.

i think you sit in an office watching irt on youtube or is it dangerous roads ■■? either that or you’re watching your share price tumbling.

can’t believe that i’m being slated for running a small firm that has been consistently in the black since the day it started - that carries no debt at all - that makes a profit every year and yet when it comes to purchasing an item like this that the company can afford to pay for in cash, without any need for extra financial assistance whatsoever, what you’re saying makes no sense.

i take it that your firm is so healthy that if there was another financial crash today that it’s still be around come tomorrow morning ? and everyone would still have their jobs ?

[puntabrava]

The most eloquent forklift driver ever.

[foxy_stars]

thankyou

[andrew_s]

i certainly do not sit in an office all day lol.
if you really are genuine (which i still have doubts about) and are desperate to own a lorry,why not buy an old tractor unit for the show/preservation circuit?
you could get a lot of F88/111/transcon etc etc for 30 grand…

[foxy_stars]

the way that you wrote your piece sounded like you are a desk jockey.

desparate is prolly the wrong word it’s just the way i can see things developing over the next few years and for me it makes sense to try and get the expense out of the way now knowing that when things get a bit tighter i can still operate but i understand what you mean.
i gotta wait to find out what the TC says first and that takes upto 3 months where i live from getting the application forms through the post hopefully later this week. i am still gunna sit the ocpc exams in june cos that’ll give me more options in the future if i decide on changing anything.

i was watching the scaffold team when they turned up and the truck just dumped the flat bed with all the gear off the back of an 8x4 and then the truck went and the boys cracked on with the job - it looked really simple and that’s why it was summat i was looking at.

i’ll look into the suggestion that you’ve put forward and see what’s what with it.
£30k is what i’ve allocated to it - doesn’t mean that it’s gotta cost that but if it does then it’s no big deal for me.

[rob_k]

Is this thread for real?

The kid is on a wind-up and you’re all scoffing his bait.

[foxy_stars]

rob,

read what’s been written and then type — i take it you’ve read the above and given all the ■■■■ that i’ve read in your posts throught these boards - you need to wake up.

if however you have read the above then lets all see your proposals then — come on everyone is dying to read what you’d do, i mean afterall you were telling harry how to run things and even given the intel on how i run things you still can’t put anything sensible in here.

says it all really you’re just an armchair wanna be driver…

[bigvern1]

You will be waiting ages for an answer.

[rob_k]

foxy stars:
rob,

read what’s been written and then type — i take it you’ve read the above and given all the [zb] that i’ve read in your posts throught these boards - you need to wake up.

if however you have read the above then lets all see your proposals then — come on everyone is dying to read what you’d do, i mean afterall you were telling harry how to run things and even given the intel on how i run things you still can’t put anything sensible in here.

says it all really you’re just an armchair wanna be driver…

Your last line is quite laughable but this and all the other “you don’t know what you’re talking about” comments keep me amused no end. What I do both past and present is my business, no-one elses.

Just considering for 1 second that this thread of yours is in fact legit then your plan is about as crazy as it gets for all the reasons that own account driver said on the previous page. Bottom line : just forget the idea and pay someone to move your FLT for you as and when needed.

[foxy_stars]

thankyou for the sensible comment

however - you would have noted that in what i said above that i already do this and am looking to get more control over things which is why i asked about the res. o lic. and then for possible things to look at - it’s not the first time that i’ve visited this particular topic over the years but it is the first time that i’ve had this much available to try and solve the issue of transport expenses.

the way i see things going and maybe you’re not thinking that far ahead - but interest rates will have to rise at some point this year and fuel duty is going to rise with it therefore my costs are going to go up cos there is no way someone else is not going to put their prices up in line with this cos they’ve got their overheads to consider.

[bigvern1]

I like the way people poke their oar into someones business. Then refuse to answer what’s asked fairly of them. Funny old world ain’t it?

[8wheels]

As much as I admire your will to do this, I like most other people cannot see how it could possibly be viable.

For example I move some gear for a local fencing contractor, he’s got a 5t JCB, a 6t dumper, 80 roller and JCB robot skidsteer. Usually I’ll move the digger & dumper combo and sometimes the roller, he usually loads his robot on his Ifor and moves it himself. He was talking the other day about buying a tracked skidsteer which would be too heavy for the Ifor, but if getting me to move that as well would mean two loads so he was thinking of buying a truck himself but even with a yard to put it in, and a fair bit of gear to move it still doesn’t stack up financially. The solution was simple, book our lowloader at an extra £5/hr and make one trip.

This guy could drive the truck himself and store it in his yard and also carry materials with it but it’s still uneconomical. Moving a tele once in a while seems like a fast way of losing a load of cash.

£60 hr might seem expensive for a plant move but when you factor the cost of buying a truck, the depreciation, O licence, 6 weeklys, MOT’s, insurance, fuel without breakdowns and tyres etc. I’d think you’d need to be moving it every day to see a saving.

[andrew_s]

the way i wrote sounded like i’m a desk jockey?
why? is it because i know roughly what sort of price plant can be hired for? well i do know that your £30 odd per hour (including drivers wage and fuel) IS NOT going to justify a lorry to cart it around every once in a while.
the way you write makes you sound like a ■■■■■■■ fool with money to waste,or an fool that is wasting other peoples time.

[rob_k]

8wheels:
As much as I admire your will to do this, I like most other people cannot see how it could possibly be viable.

For example I move some gear for a local fencing contractor, he’s got a 5t JCB, a 6t dumper, 80 roller and JCB robot skidsteer. Usually I’ll move the digger & dumper combo and sometimes the roller, he usually loads his robot on his Ifor and moves it himself. He was talking the other day about buying a tracked skidsteer which would be too heavy for the Ifor, but if getting me to move that as well would mean two loads so he was thinking of buying a truck himself but even with a yard to put it in, and a fair bit of gear to move it still doesn’t stack up financially. The solution was simple, book our lowloader at an extra £5/hr and make one trip.

This guy could drive the truck himself and store it in his yard and also carry materials with it but it’s still uneconomical. Moving a tele once in a while seems like a fast way of losing a load of cash.

£60 hr might seem expensive for a plant move but when you factor the cost of buying a truck, the depreciation, O licence, 6 weeklys, MOT’s, insurance, fuel without breakdowns and tyres etc. I’d think you’d need to be moving it every day to see a saving.

This highlighted bit is what you should be paying attention to. And I would also add in “multiple times” in the last sentence between “moving it” and “every day”.

I suspect that this thread (like most other owner operator asking-for-advice threads on this site) is more about owning your own truck rather than it being a viable business plan.

[bigvern1]

andrew.s:
the way i wrote sounded like i’m a desk jockey?
why? is it because i know roughly what sort of price plant can be hired for? well i do know that your £30 odd per hour (including drivers wage and fuel) IS NOT going to justify a lorry to cart it around every once in a while.
the way you write makes you sound like a [zb] idiot with money to waste,or an idiot that is wasting other peoples time.

^ NAIL…ON HEAD^

[harry_monk]

Rob K:
Your last line is quite laughable but this and all the other “you don’t know what you’re talking about” comments keep me amused no end. What I do both past and present is my business, no-one elses.

Well, the simple fact is that you are rather addicted to the “Owner and Fleet Operators’” forum, and there must be some reason for this being your favourite corner of TruckNet by a country mile.

I’m not interested in cake decorating but I wouldn’t join a cake decorating forum just to constantly pop up to let everybody know that I thought cake decorating was stupid. I wouldn’t join the Crystal Palace forum just to constantly pop up to let everybody know that I supported Charlton. Owning a truck is obviously a deep-seated fantasy of yours, perhaps you ought to ask about some kind of grant next time you sign on?

foxy stars:
can’t believe that i’m being slated for running a small firm that has been consistently in the black since the day it started - that carries no debt at all

Don’t worry, you’re not the only one.