How do these tie in with your hours , if you say had a 13 hr shift left , 4 hrs home ,would that mean you could only work 9 hrs that day , what happens if that 4 hr journey home takes 6 hrs due to traffic , accident etc
Same on a Monday going too work , takes you 5 hrs , can you only do a max of 10 hrs , or would travel in a works van not count .ta
If you had to drive for 4 or possibly 6 hours to get home after your shift I would seriously suggest you not to wonder and just get a job nearer home as you would be leaving home to go back for the next shift even before you got home form the previous one … 
raymundo:
If you had to drive for 4 or possibly 6 hours to get home after your shift I would seriously suggest you not to wonder and just get a job nearer home as you would be leaving home to go back for the next shift even before you got home form the previous one …
It’s covering tramping so only 2 x a week , mon morn / fri night in theory , but if the driver at Carlisle has 2 days holiday and the driver at Dagenham 3 days then I guess you’d have a days work traveling from one depot too the other .
I’m more intrested in how many hours you could work , obviously mon morn you’ll know how long you can work as you’ll know how long it took too get there , but on a fri how do you know how long you can work as you’ve no idea how long it will take too get home
Travelling in a non-tachograph company vehicle from or returning to your normal place of work is other work and should be recorded as such on your records.
Commuting between your home and your normal place of work in your own time is not work and is part of your daily or weekly rest.
raymundo:
If you had to drive for 4 or possibly 6 hours to get home after your shift I would seriously suggest you not to wonder and just get a job nearer home as you would be leaving home to go back for the next shift even before you got home form the previous one …
PMSL
yt03:
raymundo:
If you had to drive for 4 or possibly 6 hours to get home after your shift I would seriously suggest you not to wonder and just get a job nearer home as you would be leaving home to go back for the next shift even before you got home form the previous one …PMSL
As above , in theory you’d only be traveling Monday morning , fri night
dozy:
How do these tie in with your hours , if you say had a 13 hr shift left , 4 hrs home ,would that mean you could only work 9 hrs that day , what happens if that 4 hr journey home takes 6 hrs due to traffic , accident etc
Same on a Monday going too work , takes you 5 hrs , can you only do a max of 10 hrs , or would travel in a works van not count .ta
The people you work for will plan you for at least 13 hours, because driving home after you finished work does not count towards your hours. Or they plan you an extra night out, just because they can, and are like that.
Grow a pair, telll your planner when you need to finish, and if they don’t comply, leave…
I may be out of date- but when I was on the cranes it was explained as this - if you used a works van, once at base just how you travelled home was no-ones business and you could use a works van if that was the most convenient way to get home, as you were out of work time and not using the van to benefit the business, if away from base and a van was bought to you to go home in then that would be within your daily working hours … that said the rules may have been liberaly interpreted as the company was not known for following the letter of the law- or the rules may have changed
I really don’t understand why dozy is still at Stobart.
If its a company van then if i recall correctly it may be different as my company owns the van this does not count towards my hrs. How ever as your an employee driving a company owned and insured vehicle you may come under the latest rules so it may count towards your working time but not your driving time. There was a rule change recently it think it was last year regarding employees driving to there first assignment of the day/week
Rikki I think he’s on about the stobart in house agency drivers that are given a company astravan to commute in
mrginge:
I really don’t understand why dozy is still at Stobart.
I suspect no one else does either
you get company van and you either go home in it or back to base, your choice not counted as work. If they tell you to drive van back to depot then that’s work and comes within your 15 hour day.
that’s the way we do it at our place.
Am I right in thinking what Dozy really means is, if he’s covering another drivers shift at another depot, then the travel time to or from that depot is the time in the works van, if so then yes that’s all in days work and should be considered in days work planned.
Trucker Ed:
Am I right in thinking what Dozy really means is, if he’s covering another drivers shift at another depot, then the travel time to or from that depot is the time in the works van, if so then yes that’s all in days work and should be considered in days work planned.
Then why doesn’t he say that?
dozy:
It’s covering tramping so only 2 x a week , mon morn / fri night in theory , but if the driver at Carlisle has 2 days holiday and the driver at Dagenham 3 days then I guess you’d have a days work traveling from one depot too the other .
I’m more intrested in how many hours you could work , obviously mon morn you’ll know how long you can work as you’ll know how long it took too get there , but on a fri how do you know how long you can work as you’ve no idea how long it will take too get home
Oh god you’re going to be working for Stobart Support Services, their in house agency? I once saw a driver pick up a van from Barlborough and he was going all the way down to Southampton and then said he’d be doing a full shift.
Well illegal.
Legally? If you’ve only a 13hr shift left and it takes you 4hrs to get back to your home base where the van is parked up and your car is then its 9hrs. If you’re taking the van home, 13hrs.
Seriously if they’ve shoved you on support services I’d go find another job as they literally do expect you to go anywhere in the UK to work regardless of where you’re based.
If they’ve demoted you to support services they’re trying to get rid of you without paying you redundancy. They’re hoping that if they send you to enough places far away that eventually you’ll jack it in. Personally I’d start putting aside some money for a solicitor to take them to tribunal for constructive dismissal if you do pack it in.
It’s not there driver agency , it’s actually doing holiday relief for stobarts , when told about it the driver assumed it was holiday cover for just his depot , but the alarm bells started ringing when they mentioned they’d sort him out a van 
, when he queried this he was told he’d be holiday covering Carlisle , Dagenham etc .
He now not happy 
, 101 questions including the ones above , which has got many a driver 
, I’m not laughing as I’ve been there and took the bait hook line and sinker , but I’m not daft enough to get done again , I continue as I was 
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I think he’s getting his knickers in a twist as he’s going to have apx 4 hrs back from Carlisle after a 15 / 13 hr shift , or that’s what he thinks he’s going to end up with , I asked the question as I wasn’t sure if I was giving him the correct answer , but I wasn’t far away
the nodding donkey:
Trucker Ed:
Am I right in thinking what Dozy really means is, if he’s covering another drivers shift at another depot, then the travel time to or from that depot is the time in the works van, if so then yes that’s all in days work and should be considered in days work planned.Then why doesn’t he say that?
Because it’s sneezy or whichever one of the 7 dwarfs he is
They send a driver from Carlisle to cover in Dagenham? ■■?
If Stobarts really are sending a driver to cover a full 13/15 hour shift at a depot a couple of hours away from said drivers usual workplace (or from his home if he has no usual workplace) they are in for a severe rogering. Can’t remember the name of the Nottingham coach company who were doing this (I’m sure Rog will know it) but IIRC some of the bosses got jail terms.
Roymondo:
If Stobarts really are sending a driver to cover a full 13/15 hour shift at a depot a couple of hours away from said drivers usual workplace (or from his home if he has no usual workplace) they are in for a severe rogering. Can’t remember the name of the Nottingham coach company who were doing this (I’m sure Rog will know it) but IIRC some of the bosses got jail terms.
They haven’t said there going to give him 13/15 hrs or whatever but he’s in panic thinking he will end of with those lengths of shifts ( is a building site going to take any notice of him if he tells them he’s 4 hrs home so must be gone by x,y,z ) , at the end of the day I would of just said no when they started on about vans and covering x,y,z