cooper1203:
I know of a situation where someone was re wrapping a pallet on the loading dock he had the chain across the bay he had to step back for some reason and bend down so his backside touched the chain as he stood back up he lost balance and went over the top of the chain onto the concreate apron smashed his skull and spine. camera on the loading bay was at such an angle it made it look like he sat on the chain when he hadn’t witnessed by several co workers but video footage is video footage and out trumps peoples word. funny thing is the chain was raised and camera moved 2 days later.
Pure and simple fact is all these security measures are an arse covering exercise no two ways about it.
If the chain wasnt there, wouldnt he have stepped back and fallen anyway?
Seems like the video showed the chain to be at the wrong height, so it has been raised.
Camera moved to get a better view too.
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With hindsight all accidents seem avoidable. Having videos show how they really happened and can be used to improve safety.
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If anyone wants to say cameras can be used poorly, to raise spurious disciplinary issues, that is not the fault of the cameras. Bad management didn`t wait for cameras invention to become idiots.
Cameras are tools. They can be used or abused.
cooper1203:
I know of a situation where someone was re wrapping a pallet on the loading dock he had the chain across the bay he had to step back for some reason and bend down so his backside touched the chain as he stood back up he lost balance and went over the top of the chain onto the concreate apron smashed his skull and spine. camera on the loading bay was at such an angle it made it look like he sat on the chain when he hadn’t witnessed by several co workers but video footage is video footage and out trumps peoples word. funny thing is the chain was raised and camera moved 2 days later.
Pure and simple fact is all these security measures are an arse covering exercise no two ways about it.
If the chain wasnt there, wouldnt he have stepped back and fallen anyway?
Seems like the video showed the chain to be at the wrong height, so it has been raised.
Camera moved to get a better view too.
.
With hindsight all accidents seem avoidable. Having videos show how they really happened and can be used to improve safety.
.
If anyone wants to say cameras can be used poorly, to raise spurious disciplinary issues, that is not the fault of the cameras. Bad management didn`t wait for cameras invention to become idiots.
Cameras are tools. They can be used or abused.
point was weather the chain was the wrong height etc the camera showed him sitting on the chain when he actually wasn’t but the company at the time I was there were refusing to pay out because there was a sign saying not to sit on the chain.
cooper1203:
I know of a situation where someone was re wrapping a pallet on the loading dock he had the chain across the bay he had to step back for some reason and bend down so his backside touched the chain as he stood back up he lost balance and went over the top of the chain onto the concreate apron smashed his skull and spine. camera on the loading bay was at such an angle it made it look like he sat on the chain when he hadn’t witnessed by several co workers but video footage is video footage and out trumps peoples word. funny thing is the chain was raised and camera moved 2 days later.
Pure and simple fact is all these security measures are an arse covering exercise no two ways about it.
If the chain wasnt there, wouldnt he have stepped back and fallen anyway?
Seems like the video showed the chain to be at the wrong height, so it has been raised.
Camera moved to get a better view too.
.
With hindsight all accidents seem avoidable. Having videos show how they really happened and can be used to improve safety.
.
If anyone wants to say cameras can be used poorly, to raise spurious disciplinary issues, that is not the fault of the cameras. Bad management didn`t wait for cameras invention to become idiots.
Cameras are tools. They can be used or abused.
point was weather the chain was the wrong height etc the camera showed him sitting on the chain when he actually wasn’t but the company at the time I was there were refusing to pay out because there was a sign saying not to sit on the chain.
Company sound like a-oles. I wont argue that.
But surely a properly set up camera would have shown the guy working and stepping back? It would have shown he wasn`t just sitting down?
cooper1203:
I know of a situation where someone was re wrapping a pallet on the loading dock he had the chain across the bay he had to step back for some reason and bend down so his backside touched the chain as he stood back up he lost balance and went over the top of the chain onto the concreate apron smashed his skull and spine. camera on the loading bay was at such an angle it made it look like he sat on the chain when he hadn’t witnessed by several co workers but video footage is video footage and out trumps peoples word. funny thing is the chain was raised and camera moved 2 days later.
Pure and simple fact is all these security measures are an arse covering exercise no two ways about it.
If the chain wasnt there, wouldnt he have stepped back and fallen anyway?
Seems like the video showed the chain to be at the wrong height, so it has been raised.
Camera moved to get a better view too.
.
With hindsight all accidents seem avoidable. Having videos show how they really happened and can be used to improve safety.
.
If anyone wants to say cameras can be used poorly, to raise spurious disciplinary issues, that is not the fault of the cameras. Bad management didn`t wait for cameras invention to become idiots.
Cameras are tools. They can be used or abused.
point was weather the chain was the wrong height etc the camera showed him sitting on the chain when he actually wasn’t but the company at the time I was there were refusing to pay out because there was a sign saying not to sit on the chain.
Company sound like a-oles. I wont argue that.
But surely a properly set up camera would have shown the guy working and stepping back? It would have shown he wasn`t just sitting down?
My thoughts exactly, if it only shows his feet then it can’t be said that he sat down, but if it shows his whole body then they can see he stepped back, bent down to pick something up or whatever then fell backwards. Any solicitor worth their salt would get their claim thrown out, if that is what happened.
No. There won’t be any 50,000 driver shortage because all those moan and complain are full of hot air. As long as they’re “working for the best of a bad bunch” then that makes it alright to just roll over and accept it.
This rubbish people take the p… well why should the people who do not take p… put up with camera.You do not need all that surveillance to know which employees are lazy…If there is this 50000 shortage of drivers it will be easy …bet them out or we park up.that is after a meeting and a show of hands.
Think about it…ageing workforce etc lots of iffy medicals and logistics companies that want to sell a superb blue chip package to customers…we weed out those unhealthy drivers…smile…you’ll moan and complain but snap one on won’t you…'Chris…come over here…look at your blood pressure…I know but…never mind but Chris, we provide 5 a day in that bowl over there…get healthy mate or its curtains for you…think of that Glasgow bin lorry disaster
Telematics, it’s only just started. The Telematics industry has a huge compliant and unresistant audience of drivers to design products for.
All it takes is for a bloke from Stoke-on-Trent or wherever to park his car in a company car park and take his brief case to the ex-mechanic fleet manager with a couple of GCSE’s who’s desperate to please his none-transport savy line manager and hey presto you’re all wired up for a trip to Mars.
‘But…I won’t do it’…so what…enough will.
Fitbits…Iris tracking glasses…all on the shelf waiting for the say so from UK hauliers.
So this is where 2 threads cross over, if all this latest revolutionary buzz word dog [zb] comes about…, there actually WILL be a 50,000 driver shortage, (and then some).because how many drivers do you know who resemble an Adonis like specimen picture of health. [emoji38] [emoji38]
I know a driver who looks like he’s eaten Adonis [emoji106]
Where I work, they have just introduced a login system at the front door whereby you are supposed to log in your presence on site… "in the interest of your safety " and we were assured that in no way would the inherent database collected would be collected and analyzed for company performance reviews.
Me. Being the rebellious type, logged out instead of in. I spent weeks of religiously logging out and then back in again when just popping out to the shop next door.
I have to pass work from the pub so I have made a habit of calling in to log on/off the system as a complete ■■■■ take at 2am of a Sunday morning.
Many a time I have sneaked in through warehouse door just to log only OUT for 10 days in a row.
You know what?
No one has ever pulled me up on it. There is a camera above the log in station and I show it the finger most mornings. There is another outwards facing camera above our truck dock which I have rode my mountain bike off many times.
You want to know why.
They dont care. I do a good job for fair money.and as long as I dont hurt anyone/myself and make money, they DGAF.
Cover the things with tape, a sock , a photo of …
Dont take it. Sure they will threaten you, but that’s all they can do. Nothing.
There’s a shortage remember.
…I think me and you would get on great mate, that is just the sort of thing I do in these cases.
If you show these [zb] that you willingly comply with all this type of crap, and take it seriously, it just encourages them.
At my place I play along with all their stupid bloody games, but try and have a laugh to myself at the same time,.safe in the knowledge I ain’t bending over…but keeping them happy by appearing to be.
My Granda gave me good advice as a kid on this type of thing…Make sure you win, but appear to lose, then everyone’s happy.
I’ve practiced it ever since.
I’d love to share a few examples, …but I won’t for obvious reasons.
Man, get amongst it.
In all honesty, I am only deliberately messing with this to point out the hypocrisy of the whole endeavor.
Because where I work is a customs bonded area, we are all obliged to swipe card access, hence the warehouse shenanigans.
If that was the case the door controls could be data linked to a system that could create a real time registry of who is on site so there would be no need for this additional system
You are right, it is compelling exploitable people to yet another level of control .
The only one who will truly stick up for you. Is YOU.
Where I work, they have just introduced a login system at the front door whereby you are supposed to log in your presence on site… "in the interest of your safety " and we were assured that in no way would the inherent database collected would be collected and analyzed for company performance reviews.
Me. Being the rebellious type, logged out instead of in. I spent weeks of religiously logging out and then back in again when just popping out to the shop next door.
I have to pass work from the pub so I have made a habit of calling in to log on/off the system as a complete ■■■■ take at 2am of a Sunday morning.
Many a time I have sneaked in through warehouse door just to log only OUT for 10 days in a row.
You know what?
No one has ever pulled me up on it. There is a camera above the log in station and I show it the finger most mornings. There is another outwards facing camera above our truck dock which I have rode my mountain bike off many times.
You want to know why.
They dont care. I do a good job for fair money.and as long as I dont hurt anyone/myself and make money, they DGAF.
Cover the things with tape, a sock , a photo of …
Dont take it. Sure they will threaten you, but that’s all they can do. Nothing.
There’s a shortage remember.
[emoji38] …I think me and you would get on great mate, that is just the sort of thing I do in these cases. [emoji38]
If you show these [zb] that you willingly comply with all this type of crap, and take it seriously, it just encourages them.
At my place I play along with all their stupid bloody games, but try and have a laugh to myself at the same time,.safe in the knowledge I ain’t bending over…but keeping them happy by appearing to be.
My Granda gave me good advice as a kid on this type of thing…Make sure you win, but appear to lose, then everyone’s happy.
I’ve practiced it ever since.
I’d love to share a few examples, …but I won’t for obvious reasons.
Man, get amongst it.
In all honesty, I am only deliberately messing with this to point out the hypocrisy of the whole endeavor.
Because where I work is a customs bonded area, we are all obliged to swipe card access, hence the warehouse shenanigans.
If that was the case the door controls could be data linked to a system that could create a real time registry of who is on site so there would be no need for this additional system
You are right, it is compelling exploitable people to yet another level of control .
The only one who will truly stick up for you. Is YOU.
If you had chips embedded under your skin, you wouldn’t need the book system, nor the bother of swiping cards.
Much easier.
^^^ amazingly there are people stupid enough to have such things injected under their skin, telling the world how wonderful it is to be integrated into the machine
Will it come as a shock when they suffer the same fate as dogs with identity chips, when getting on a bit, or no longer fit for work, get taken on a one way visit to the vet.
Where I work, they have just introduced a login system at the front door whereby you are supposed to log in your presence on site… "in the interest of your safety " and we were assured that in no way would the inherent database collected would be collected and analyzed for company performance reviews.
Me. Being the rebellious type, logged out instead of in. I spent weeks of religiously logging out and then back in again when just popping out to the shop next door.
I have to pass work from the pub so I have made a habit of calling in to log on/off the system as a complete ■■■■ take at 2am of a Sunday morning.
Many a time I have sneaked in through warehouse door just to log only OUT for 10 days in a row.
You know what?
No one has ever pulled me up on it. There is a camera above the log in station and I show it the finger most mornings. There is another outwards facing camera above our truck dock which I have rode my mountain bike off many times.
You want to know why.
They dont care. I do a good job for fair money.and as long as I dont hurt anyone/myself and make money, they DGAF.
Cover the things with tape, a sock , a photo of …
Dont take it. Sure they will threaten you, but that’s all they can do. Nothing.
There’s a shortage remember.
[emoji38] …I think me and you would get on great mate, that is just the sort of thing I do in these cases. [emoji38]
If you show these [zb] that you willingly comply with all this type of crap, and take it seriously, it just encourages them.
At my place I play along with all their stupid bloody games, but try and have a laugh to myself at the same time,.safe in the knowledge I ain’t bending over…but keeping them happy by appearing to be.
My Granda gave me good advice as a kid on this type of thing…Make sure you win, but appear to lose, then everyone’s happy.
I’ve practiced it ever since.
I’d love to share a few examples, …but I won’t for obvious reasons.
Man, get amongst it.
In all honesty, I am only deliberately messing with this to point out the hypocrisy of the whole endeavor.
Because where I work is a customs bonded area, we are all obliged to swipe card access, hence the warehouse shenanigans.
If that was the case the door controls could be data linked to a system that could create a real time registry of who is on site so there would be no need for this additional system
You are right, it is compelling exploitable people to yet another level of control .
The only one who will truly stick up for you. Is YOU.
If you had chips embedded under your skin, you wouldn’t need the book system, nor the bother of swiping cards.
Much easier.
Juddian:
^^^ amazingly there are people stupid enough to have such things injected under their skin, telling the world how wonderful it is to be integrated into the machine
Will it come as a shock when they suffer the same fate as dogs with identity chips, when getting on a bit, or no longer fit for work, get taken on a one way visit to the vet.
It’s fascinating J how some folk feel compelled to run head first into oblivion.
Social media, bragging, bullshine and a complete desperation to be noticed and lauded are very bad symptoms of todays empty society, how on earth have our Fathers/Grandfathers warnings gone unheeded? We now have a situation where not only are today’s drivers accepting all this monitoring, they are EXPECTING it and actually DEFENDING it in some cases…
Very sad how truck driving has become. It creeps ever closer to the minimum wage, YET STILL THE WEAK do nothing. Fearful of missed mortgage payments. Fearful of the wife. Fearful of having to have an older car etc. Simply pathetic in my view.
I shall continue to be a total pain in the arse to employers in my area. I won’t take wet bailed cardboard that takes me overweight. I won’t have the odd pallet which requires ADR (which I do not have). I won’t reduce my rest unless it suits me (which is almost never). I won’t accept in cab camera’s. Quite simply, I am prepared to be constantly sacked on and off for the rest of my working life if need be. I really don’t want to look back on my life knowing that I was weak & spineless and a slave to cheap finance. Some may say ‘more fool you mate’ but I don’t see it that way, I see it that my one man crusade is guaranteed to make at least one chap happy.
And that chap is your very own pre-mod, non conforming, stiff spined Beaver. Start saying NO folks, stick it to the man and stop being shafted ffs…
Juddian:
^^^ amazingly there are people stupid enough to have such things injected under their skin, telling the world how wonderful it is to be integrated into the machine
Will it come as a shock when they suffer the same fate as dogs with identity chips, when getting on a bit, or no longer fit for work, get taken on a one way visit to the vet.
Food for thought for us of the doddering class , I shall pay attention when I have my next flu jab .
Think about it…ageing workforce etc lots of iffy medicals and logistics companies that want to sell a superb blue chip package to customers…we weed out those unhealthy drivers…smile…you’ll moan and complain but snap one on won’t you…'Chris…come over here…look at your blood pressure…I know but…never mind but Chris, we provide 5 a day in that bowl over there…get healthy mate or its curtains for you…think of that Glasgow bin lorry disaster
Telematics, it’s only just started. The Telematics industry has a huge compliant and unresistant audience of drivers to design products for.
All it takes is for a bloke from Stoke-on-Trent or wherever to park his car in a company car park and take his brief case to the ex-mechanic fleet manager with a couple of GCSE’s who’s desperate to please his none-transport savy line manager and hey presto you’re all wired up for a trip to Mars.
‘But…I won’t do it’…so what…enough will.
Fitbits…Iris tracking glasses…all on the shelf waiting for the say so from UK hauliers.
So this is where 2 threads cross over, if all this latest revolutionary buzz word dog [zb] comes about…, there actually WILL be a 50,000 driver shortage, (and then some).because how many drivers do you know who resemble an Adonis like specimen picture of health. [emoji38] [emoji38]
I know a driver who looks like he’s eaten Adonis [emoji106]
Where I work smallish company 7 trucks. Bit ago was always having problems with the trackers. And could tell as was always on the phone every half.hour asking where we were upto.
They did try to get us.all to.download some find.my phone app so They could track us that way. But I refused. As my phone don’t want them tracking me
Where I work, they have just introduced a login system at the front door whereby you are supposed to log in your presence on site… "in the interest of your safety " and we were assured that in no way would the inherent database collected would be collected and analyzed for company performance reviews.
Me. Being the rebellious type, logged out instead of in. I spent weeks of religiously logging out and then back in again when just popping out to the shop next door.
I have to pass work from the pub so I have made a habit of calling in to log on/off the system as a complete ■■■■ take at 2am of a Sunday morning.
Many a time I have sneaked in through warehouse door just to log only OUT for 10 days in a row.
You know what?
No one has ever pulled me up on it. There is a camera above the log in station and I show it the finger most mornings. There is another outwards facing camera above our truck dock which I have rode my mountain bike off many times.
You want to know why.
They dont care. I do a good job for fair money.and as long as I dont hurt anyone/myself and make money, they DGAF.
Cover the things with tape, a sock , a photo of …
Dont take it. Sure they will threaten you, but that’s all they can do. Nothing.
There’s a shortage remember.
[emoji38] …I think me and you would get on great mate, that is just the sort of thing I do in these cases. [emoji38]
If you show these [zb] that you willingly comply with all this type of crap, and take it seriously, it just encourages them.
At my place I play along with all their stupid bloody games, but try and have a laugh to myself at the same time,.safe in the knowledge I ain’t bending over…but keeping them happy by appearing to be.
My Granda gave me good advice as a kid on this type of thing…Make sure you win, but appear to lose, then everyone’s happy.
I’ve practiced it ever since.
I’d love to share a few examples, …but I won’t for obvious reasons.
Man, get amongst it.
In all honesty, I am only deliberately messing with this to point out the hypocrisy of the whole endeavor.
Because where I work is a customs bonded area, we are all obliged to swipe card access, hence the warehouse shenanigans.
If that was the case the door controls could be data linked to a system that could create a real time registry of who is on site so there would be no need for this additional system
You are right, it is compelling exploitable people to yet another level of control .
The only one who will truly stick up for you. Is YOU.
If you had chips embedded under your skin, you wouldn’t need the book system, nor the bother of swiping cards.
Much easier.
Please tell me you’re exercising irony on steroids here frangers I suspect so but given previous pro vaccination posts,there remains a schism of doubt?
Where I work, they have just introduced a login system at the front door whereby you are supposed to log in your presence on site… "in the interest of your safety " and we were assured that in no way would the inherent database collected would be collected and analyzed for company performance reviews.
Me. Being the rebellious type, logged out instead of in. I spent weeks of religiously logging out and then back in again when just popping out to the shop next door.
I have to pass work from the pub so I have made a habit of calling in to log on/off the system as a complete ■■■■ take at 2am of a Sunday morning.
Many a time I have sneaked in through warehouse door just to log only OUT for 10 days in a row.
You know what?
No one has ever pulled me up on it. There is a camera above the log in station and I show it the finger most mornings. There is another outwards facing camera above our truck dock which I have rode my mountain bike off many times.
You want to know why.
They dont care. I do a good job for fair money.and as long as I dont hurt anyone/myself and make money, they DGAF.
Cover the things with tape, a sock , a photo of …
Dont take it. Sure they will threaten you, but that’s all they can do. Nothing.
There’s a shortage remember.
[emoji38] …I think me and you would get on great mate, that is just the sort of thing I do in these cases. [emoji38]
If you show these [zb] that you willingly comply with all this type of crap, and take it seriously, it just encourages them.
At my place I play along with all their stupid bloody games, but try and have a laugh to myself at the same time,.safe in the knowledge I ain’t bending over…but keeping them happy by appearing to be.
My Granda gave me good advice as a kid on this type of thing…Make sure you win, but appear to lose, then everyone’s happy.
I’ve practiced it ever since.
I’d love to share a few examples, …but I won’t for obvious reasons.
Man, get amongst it.
In all honesty, I am only deliberately messing with this to point out the hypocrisy of the whole endeavor.
Because where I work is a customs bonded area, we are all obliged to swipe card access, hence the warehouse shenanigans.
If that was the case the door controls could be data linked to a system that could create a real time registry of who is on site so there would be no need for this additional system
You are right, it is compelling exploitable people to yet another level of control .
The only one who will truly stick up for you. Is YOU.
If you had chips embedded under your skin, you wouldn’t need the book system, nor the bother of swiping cards.
Much easier.
Please tell me you’re exercising irony on steroids here frangers I suspect so but given previous pro vaccination posts,there remains a schism of doubt?
There is more than a little bit of ‘Devil’s Advocate’ in my post.
.
But.
. @Juddian:
Chipped dogs are treated the same as non-chipped dogs aren’t they?
Lucky ones survived, others don’t.
.
Anyone here ever had to carry one of those ‘SOS Bracelets’? Maybe for diabetes or allergy?
Wouldn’t a chip with details of medical details be better? More info and not readily lost.
Franglais:
Wouldn’t a chip with details of medical details be better? More info and not readily lost.
An absolute brilliant idea…
But only if you were naive and gullible enough to believe that it would not be used as a gift wrapped golden opportunity for abuse, by the powers that be.
If you are a streetwise realist who sees things for what they really are. (and again a cynic ) …
Then…NO it’s a very bad idea.
