OK. I’ve worked for 6 hours today. As I understand it, you cannot work 6 hours without taking a 15 mins break. I wanted to put down 6 hours work of overtime and the breaks aren’t paid for. It’s kind of agree that if we do o/t then we put down 6 hours as it’s hardly worth it otherwise. 
So, I was thinking I would put down 6 hours and 15 minutes on my time-sheet. But if I do that amount of work, because the 15 minutes is also counted isn’t it…then I will have ‘worked’ for over 6 hours and between 6 and 9 hours which requires another 15 minutes break. So, in order to get paid for 6 hours work, and in order to not fall foul of the WTD, then I should put down 6.30 minutes work on my time-sheet with 30 minutes being taken off as unpaid. I’ll also be doing a manual entry to that effect. Am I correct about the 6.15 including break meaning I’ve worked over 6 hours for the purposed of the WTD? Thanks.
Why not work 5h 59min and negate the need to show a break?
WTD break cant be added to the start or end of a shift.
Maybe just have 15mins during your shift next time…
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Seems that you’re making this overly complicated for yourself.
Are you being paid by your time sheet or tacho entry? Did you actually do 6 hours work (with or without breaks)?
Simplest method is a manual (with time sheet to match) of 3 hours work, 30 mins break then another 3 hours work. You get your 6 hours and the tacho is definitely legal.
Mooping:
OK. I’ve worked for 6 hours today. As I understand it, you cannot work 6 hours without taking a 15 mins break. I wanted to put down 6 hours work of overtime and the breaks aren’t paid for. It’s kind of agree that if we do o/t then we put down 6 hours as it’s hardly worth it otherwise.
The regulations don’t say you cannot work 6 hours without a break they say you cannot do more than 6 hours working time without a break, if you book 6 hours you don’t need to book a break.
If you’ve worked 6 hours book 6 hours on your time-sheet and the tachograph and your legal 
edit: If you haven’t actually worked 6 hours you only need to manually enter on the tachograph what hours you actually worked, though some companies will want the time-sheet and tachograph to show the same times.
Work 5:59 = no break for WTD
Work 6:01 = you need a break to start before 6H
Breaks only need to start before the trigger point, not end so you could start your break here at 5:59, have 15 minutes break then 1 minute other work.
trevHCS:
Work 5:59 = no break for WTD
Work 6:01 = you need a break to start before 6HBreaks only need to start before the trigger point, not end so you could start your break here at 5:59, have 15 minutes break then 1 minute other work.
No that’s not correct.
Breaks for the 6 hour rule do not need to start before the 6 hour point, working 6 hours without having or even starting a break is perfectly legal, work 6 hours and one minute without starting a break and you can expect an infringement notice.
RT(WT)R 2005 - Regulations 7
7.—(1) No mobile worker shall work for more than six hours without a break.
As I said before you can work 6 hours without a break you just can’t legally work more than 6 hours without a 15 minute break, the OP can legally book 6 hours work without having to book a break.
There seems to be a conspiracy here to complicate a very simple rule 
Legally you’re correct as per the regs.
Trouble is some tacho software like tachomaster seems to trigger infringements if you do exactly 6 hours (and no minutes) rather than the “over 6 hours”. Apparently that software is god, according to some transport managers.
Cant imagine the op sitting there until it clocks over to exactly 6 hours then pulling card unless the bosses really are a-holes about paying to the minute. If they do, I’d find another job quick.
To the best of my knowledge, You can work 6 hours without a break (If not driving)
You cant take a break at the start or the end of the time. Basically, if you have worked 6 hours, then book that as it is perfectly legal.
A break is exactly that, it is a break between blocks of working time.
So book the 6 hours as it is legal, 6 hours and 1 minute however, would be against WTD
trevHCS:
Legally you’re correct as per the regs.Trouble is some tacho software like tachomaster seems to trigger infringements if you do exactly 6 hours (and no minutes) rather than the “over 6 hours”. Apparently that software is god, according to some transport managers.
Cant imagine the op sitting there until it clocks over to exactly 6 hours then pulling card unless the bosses really are a-holes about paying to the minute. If they do, I’d find another job quick.
They can be a-holes. That’s why I wanted to be sure. I had actually taken 2x15 minute breaks as I wasn’t quite sure how long my work would last for the day. I actually finished it in just under 6 hours. I just wanted everything to be fine as I like my tachograph and time-sheet to match. That’s how I was taught by a previous employer. I haven’t been told anything by this employer how they expect things to be done although they do get nit-picky on occasion and they, the manager don’t really understand tachograph rules. The don’t actually like me doing manual entries but I still do them. I should really have just done a manual entry to 5.59 minutes and not shown a break on my time-sheet.
So to re-cap…I need to have taken 15 minutes before 6 hours and 1 minutes. But if I go over 6 hours and one minutes then you are in the between 6 hours and 9 hours block of time. So then you would need to have taken another 15 minutes? So if you work for 6 hours and 2 minutes then you will need to have taken 30 minutes?
trevHCS:
Legally you’re correct as per the regs.Trouble is some tacho software like tachomaster seems to trigger infringements if you do exactly 6 hours (and no minutes) rather than the “over 6 hours”. Apparently that software is god, according to some transport managers.
I’ve never heard of a half decent analysis company issuing an infringement for working 6 hours without a break unless there’s been a company rule in place, but if Tachomaster or any other analysis company do issue an infringement for no reason perhaps it should be queried instead of just being accepted 
The regulations on the 6 hour rule are very clear there’s no grey area or room for misunderstanding, you can work up-to 6 hours without a break plain and simple.
While some companies will penalise/discipline drivers for getting to many infringements generally WTD infringements are not particularly serious, however I have to say that any driver who knowingly accepts without query an infringement that they know to be wrong deserves whatever comes their way, I mean if you know your company are issuing infringements for doing nothing wrong why would you not query it 
I’ve posted a link to the regulations further down.
Mooping:
So to re-cap…I need to have taken 15 minutes before 6 hours and 1 minutes. But if I go over 6 hours and one minutes then you are in the between 6 hours and 9 hours block of time. So then you would need to have taken another 15 minutes? So if you work for 6 hours and 2 minutes then you will need to have taken 30 minutes?
As I said before you can work up-to 6 hours without a break, if your working time goes over 6 hours you need a break of at-least 15 minutes to start no later than the 6 hour point and a total of 30 minutes break/breaks if your working time is up-to 9 hours, you need a total of 45 minutes break/breaks if your working time is more than 9 hours.
Here’s some reading on the working time break rules.
The Road Transport (Working Time) Regulations 2005 - Regulation 7 Breaks
tachograph:
trevHCS:
Work 5:59 = no break for WTD
Work 6:01 = you need a break to start before 6HBreaks only need to start before the trigger point, not end so you could start your break here at 5:59, have 15 minutes break then 1 minute other work.
No that’s not correct.
Breaks for the 6 hour rule do not need to start before the 6 hour point, working 6 hours without having or even starting a break is perfectly legal, work 6 hours and one minute without starting a break and you can expect an infringement notice.
RT(WT)R 2005 - Regulations 7
7.—(1) No mobile worker shall work for more than six hours without a break.
As I said before you can work 6 hours without a break you just can’t legally work more than 6 hours without a 15 minute break, the OP can legally book 6 hours work without having to book a break.
There seems to be a conspiracy here to complicate a very simple rule
OK I haven’t yet read the links you provided tachograph but will do. But from what you say above…you can work 6 hours without a break. Once you go over 6 hours 1 minute then you need 15 minutes. At which point do you need to take another 15 minutes? Between 6 and 9 hours…so when does the 6 to 9 hours period begin? After 6 hours and 1 minute again? I thought I totally had this down to a T.
Mooping:
tachograph:
trevHCS:
Work 5:59 = no break for WTD
Work 6:01 = you need a break to start before 6HBreaks only need to start before the trigger point, not end so you could start your break here at 5:59, have 15 minutes break then 1 minute other work.
No that’s not correct.
Breaks for the 6 hour rule do not need to start before the 6 hour point, working 6 hours without having or even starting a break is perfectly legal, work 6 hours and one minute without starting a break and you can expect an infringement notice.
RT(WT)R 2005 - Regulations 7
7.—(1) No mobile worker shall work for more than six hours without a break.
As I said before you can work 6 hours without a break you just can’t legally work more than 6 hours without a 15 minute break, the OP can legally book 6 hours work without having to book a break.
There seems to be a conspiracy here to complicate a very simple rule
OK I haven’t yet read the links you provided tachograph but will do. But from what you say above…you can work 6 hours without a break. Once you go over 6 hours 1 minute then you need 15 minutes. At which point do you need to take another 15 minutes? Between 6 and 9 hours…so when does the 6 to 9 hours period begin? After 6 hours and 1 minute again? I thought I totally had this down to a T.
Read the link then ask.
But after 6hrs a total of 30mins is required if you exceed 9hrs then a total of 45 mins is required.
nick2008:
Mooping:
tachograph:
trevHCS:
Work 5:59 = no break for WTD
Work 6:01 = you need a break to start before 6HBreaks only need to start before the trigger point, not end so you could start your break here at 5:59, have 15 minutes break then 1 minute other work.
No that’s not correct.
Breaks for the 6 hour rule do not need to start before the 6 hour point, working 6 hours without having or even starting a break is perfectly legal, work 6 hours and one minute without starting a break and you can expect an infringement notice.
RT(WT)R 2005 - Regulations 7
7.—(1) No mobile worker shall work for more than six hours without a break.
As I said before you can work 6 hours without a break you just can’t legally work more than 6 hours without a 15 minute break, the OP can legally book 6 hours work without having to book a break.
There seems to be a conspiracy here to complicate a very simple rule
OK I haven’t yet read the links you provided tachograph but will do. But from what you say above…you can work 6 hours without a break. Once you go over 6 hours 1 minute then you need 15 minutes. At which point do you need to take another 15 minutes? Between 6 and 9 hours…so when does the 6 to 9 hours period begin? After 6 hours and 1 minute again? I thought I totally had this down to a T.
Read the link then ask.
But after 6hrs a total of 30mins is required if you exceed 9hrs then a total of 45 mins is required.
Why say that…‘Read the link then ask’? We all learn differently and things are said then reinforced by reading. Others prefer to just read. I like a combination of learning. It just happens at this moment I don’t have time to read those links. But I will do later as I said. Anyway, thanks for your reply.
It 6 hours then 15 min break then can continue into your working time reaches 9 hours then need a 30 min break.
Just don’t make mistake I did the other week.
I started at 5 drove for about an hour stoped for 15min break while went in the services got a coffee.
I then carried on with my day stoped about 12 30 . Downloaded my card got an infringement for 6 hrs 20 working with no break.
I totally forgot 6 hours started again from 6 after had my coffee
Mooping:
Why say that…‘Read the link then ask’? We all learn differently and things are said then reinforced by reading. Others prefer to just read. I like a combination of learning. It just happens at this moment I don’t have time to read those links. But I will do later as I said. Anyway, thanks for your reply.
Soz mate didn’t mean it to sound negative .
There’s a lot that ask the questions without even attempting to look for an answer.
Otherwise I wouldn’t have continued to post examples. I was just meaning to have a look and read then ask further if unsure.
They just don’t teach things as far as I can make out to newbies.
edd1974:
It 6 hours then 15 min break then can continue into your working time reaches 9 hours then need a 30 min break.
Really ?
tachograph:
Mooping:
OK. I’ve worked for 6 hours today. As I understand it, you cannot work 6 hours without taking a 15 mins break. I wanted to put down 6 hours work of overtime and the breaks aren’t paid for. It’s kind of agree that if we do o/t then we put down 6 hours as it’s hardly worth it otherwise.The regulations don’t say you cannot work 6 hours without a break they say you cannot do more than 6 hours working time without a break, if you book 6 hours you don’t need to book a break.
If you’ve worked 6 hours book 6 hours on your time-sheet and the tachograph and your legal
edit: If you haven’t actually worked 6 hours you only need to manually enter on the tachograph what hours you actually worked, though some companies will want the time-sheet and tachograph to show the same times.
This is where I was going wrong (See bold above). And it was those 4 words which made all the difference “…cannot do more than” 6 hours without a break. Somehow I thought it was “cannot work 6 hours without a break” . All sorted and thank you.
ROG:
edd1974:
It 6 hours then 15 min break then can continue into your working time reaches 9 hours then need a 30 min break.Really ?
Yes can’t do more than 6 hours .
You then need a 15 min break.
then you can continue untill 9 hours from start of shift then you need a 30 min break making it a total of 45 mins.
But in my case because I only did an hour had 15 mins set off again the 6 hour rule was up again before the 9 hours if that makes sense