Workers over 50

Carryfast:

Harry Monk:
I think the thing is that by the time you’ve got to 50, you’ve got pretty much as far as you are going to go in life and so ambition tends to fall by the wayside and you adjust your life to suit your situation.

For me this means only working half of the year and going narrowboating for the other half. The Government might prefer it if I worked all year round but I don’t claim any state support when I’m not working so that’s my choice. At 63, time is running out and on my deathbed I won’t be thinking “I wish I’d spent more time in the drivers waiting room at Tesco in Daventry”.

But the government has told us that were all going to live to over 90 and be fit to work into our 70’s.While at the same time
telling us that older drivers should be taken off the road on health grounds.
The truth is it’s all a pension rip off.
So that self entitled under 30’s can spend the working week joy riding around on their bicycles.

Pot and kettle! There’s only two differences between you and them.

  1. You’ve been bludging on the public teat thirty years longer than them.
  2. You never had the energy to ride a bike.

Carryfast:

switchlogic:

Carryfast:
Who needs retirement.

Well it seems you did, 20+ years ago :wink:

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The irony class 1 driver involuntarily exitted the industry because of the health damage caused by being used for heavy manual handling ‘other duties’ in the rush to minimise truck miles.
As opposed to being thanked by employer and customers for car delivery service levels throughout the country.

The first paragraph is a floral way to describe a dole bludger.
Re the second para, had you worked as hard as me, like me, you could be driving your own Range Rover, to the destination of your choice, rather than tugging your forelock whilst handing over the keys.
That is, if the story is not another figment of your vivid imagination.

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I think I posted earlier in the thread that thise over 50 retiring early will have done so having worked out their own personal numbers. But we’ve got new info now in the government trying yo get them back to work… so what jobs can they look forward to? Mainly low skilled, poorly paid ones. Fantastic. Please come out of retirement to process meat or be a farm labourer etc. Feel free to give up so much time travelling to and from work - time right now you don’t have to give up. Oh and as you obviously have money now to retire on you can pay tax on all of what you earn aswell no doubt.

Sounds great…

toonsy:
I think I posted earlier in the thread that thise over 50 retiring early will have done so having worked out their own personal numbers. But we’ve got new info now in the government trying yo get them back to work… so what jobs can they look forward to? Mainly low skilled, poorly paid ones. Fantastic. Please come out of retirement to process meat or be a farm labourer etc. Feel free to give up so much time travelling to and from work - time right now you don’t have to give up. Oh and as you obviously have money now to retire on you can pay tax on all of what you earn aswell no doubt.

Sounds great…

+1. What a ridiculous country this place has become. Mismanagement of money for decades has finally caught up, covid gave people an opportunity to re-evaluate their lives and it appears many people no longer wish to take it up the ■■■■ pipe.

Many young ones are only interested in inhaling gas with balloons or smoking pot, selling drugs, editing Tik Tok ■■■■■■■■ or starting a Youtube channel. They have no interest in doing traditional type jobs at all although copious amounts seem willing to sit in the passenger seat of flat bed transits with their hood up with a joint in one hand and their phone in the other.

At the other end of the scale plenty folks who have been savvy with their dough have enough squirreled away to either drop down to 20 hours or retire altogether.

Somewhere in the middle are the women who have young children & won’t/can’t pay for childcare so 16 hrs is plenty thanks (benefits will top up nicely).

All adds up to one thing which can and will only get worse…not enough money in and too much going out. Don’t even get me started on the £6m per day we are paying for the raft crew :imp:

Winseer:

Goff118:

Harry Monk:

Goff118:
It’s not the European truck drivers that need replacing. Fancy a job as a nurse? [emoji23]

I don’t know if you keep up with the news, but nurses are currently striking for the first time in their history, because of the reduction in their living standards over the last two decades. If your solution to this issue is to bring in cheaper labour rather than to increase their pay, then I respectfully disagree with you.

Eu membership was a huge bonus for the controlling class at the expense of the working class.

It doesn’t have to be cheaper though?

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It wasn’t “Remain or Brexit” that were the bad deals - it was the way the globalist establishment MADE them BOTH bad deals for the ordinary UK worker.

“Remain” had us donating billions to EU for precious little in return, other than “Lip Service”.
“Brexit” promised us a future that has yet to be delivered - that very future BLOCKED by ongoing actions against this country both sides of our parliament in favour of just that, don’t forget.

The way to bring down ANY government at the end of the day - is to kill people and not be thrown in jail for it.

The Establishment has already killed plenty, and now the retaliation of the Unions - will ensure the same public caught in the cross-fire - lose a few more citizens in the name of the “Good Cause” that is “snuffing it to bring the Tories down”.

2 years from now - it’ll all be happening again, should Keir Starmer find himself in Number 10 - and STILL unwilling to give the unions what they want.

Money for public works, public services, and public-serving programmes. Lots of it. At the expense of JUST the Elites. No one else. Not ever.
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Parts of Brexit like border control etc have very often been thwarted by the do-gooders and solicitors using every trick in the book and using our legal aid on people with no rights in the process. Those EE people had a choice stay or go,many chose to stay.

The Establishment have kept Left against Right to fulfil their own ends long enough.

Perhaps it is now time for the Right to join forces with the Left to bring down hated establishment once and for all?

Here’s a few things that would make me vote Labour for the first time in my life at the next general election:

(1) Cut Ukraine loose, save 5 billions per pop and use that money for public services, fully funding “inflation +2% each year” pay rises for the next parliament’s duration.
(2) Cut all other “overseas aid” to the bone, causing the incoming recession to be only among the warmongering industries, and their “camp followers”.
(3) Charge a 1% levy on all financial transactions that involve sending sterling payments abroad - to be paid by international banks.
(4) Reduce income tax to 15p/£ which is non-maskable, in that everyone is PAYE, no more “Self-Employed Offsetting” for taxes.
(5) Abolish VAT outright.
(6) Turn Britain from a Dictatorship against Taxpayers into a Taxpayer’s Democracy where each citizen gets a block of “college” votes the same number as the percentage tax they pay. This disenfranchises both Non-Doms at the top and the unproductive benefits population on the bottom. They are not paying in, so why should they get the same number of votes as people that have paid in their entire lives?
(7) Re-classify PENSIONS so they are earned income rather than Unearned Benefits as is the tide towards at present.
(8) Improve and reform the benefits system so that those deserving (Married people working a low paid job) - get the most - whilst those undeserving (Young, unmarried, fit, and choosing to be layabouts) - get the least. You’ve lost your vote after all, so why not make such disenfranchised types “content enough to not protest” whilst we’re at it?

(9) Leave the “Right to Strike” alone - it is it’s own worse punishment “as is”.
(10) Nightly curfew - Must produce a less than one-month old payslip to be out at night, alongside valid ID.
(11) Double tobacco and alcohol duty.
(12) Do not issue passports to persons who have not paid taxes for a full year. Do not admit foreign passports to those who have not got a job lined up already (An employer Sponsor required on entry to the UK)

Now the interesting thing is here, that Keir Starmer has more than one of these up his sleeve already - but he dare not admit them to his core Labour voters, as they might object, rather than ex-Tory voters like myself - that he’s actually trying to win over!

…All we’ve had out of him so far alas, is “Let’s carry on with Brexit” which isn’t going to take any voters away from the Libdems - let alone the SNP and Conservatives - which he simply MUST achieve to win a full majority at the next election…

If he faceplants over this, I can see the rather strange future where we either have a “Government of National Unity” (Keir Starmer as PM in coalition with Sunak going back to being Chancellor again) which would make the third largest party the official opposition (Reform party need only overtake the Libdem/SNP vote tally to do this…) OR Keir Starmer gets offered a very good coalition deal with the same Reform Party who insist upon not having any cabinet posts, leaving us with a full Labour government in all but name. RP won’t then move against Labour unless they shelve Brexit, which of course Keir Starmer has already spoken out on NOT doing.

“Workers over 50” thus become THE “Core Voters” of this country, rather than wealthy householders, pensioners, and the militant activist bloc.

(10) Nightly curfew - Must produce a less than one-month old payslip to be out at night, alongside valid ID.

What planet are you on?

ATJT:
(10) Nightly curfew - Must produce a less than one-month old payslip to be out at night, alongside valid ID.

What planet are you on?

Not this one.

Never has been. Never will be.

Cuckoo.

According to the DWP, there are 5.3 million people in receipt of some form of out of work benefit. They for a start, can go and do some work.

Follow that with some of the young people who want work life balance ( in my day that was called working less than 80 hours), like my mates daughter with her degree in photography and make up, who works 21 hours a week on a Boots make up counter.

Retired at 54, no intention of going back, far too much to occupy me. Plus 16 weeks holiday in 37 years means I’ve a lot to catch up on.

albion:
Follow that with some of the young people who want work life balance ( in my day that was called working less than 80 hours), like my mates daughter with her degree in photography and make up, who works 21 hours a week on a Boots make up counter.

In fairness, a University degree has been so devalued nowadays that you can’t expect to get much more than a part-time job on a Boots make-up counter with one. My son has a Masters degree in history, is in a degree-level job for a multinational manufacturing company and is on £24,000 per year. It took me nine days to get my Class 1 licence, I’m on £32,000 a year and I’m just about the lowest-paid truck driver in the West Midlands.

How are you anyway, what are you up to this year?

albion:
According to the DWP, there are 5.3 million people in receipt of some form of out of work benefit. They for a start, can go and do some work.

Follow that with some of the young people who want work life balance ( in my day that was called working less than 80 hours), like my mates daughter with her degree in photography and make up, who works 21 hours a week on a Boots make up counter.

Retired at 54, no intention of going back, far too much to occupy me. Plus 16 weeks holiday in 37 years means I’ve a lot to catch up on.

That is a sweeping number, and no doubt includes people who receive working tax credits, and health related benefits.

Harry Monk:

albion:
Follow that with some of the young people who want work life balance ( in my day that was called working less than 80 hours), like my mates daughter with her degree in photography and make up, who works 21 hours a week on a Boots make up counter.

In fairness, a University degree has been so devalued nowadays that you can’t expect to get much more than a part-time job on a Boots make-up counter with one. My son has a Masters degree in history, is in a degree-level job for a multinational manufacturing company and is on £24,000 per year. It took me nine days to get my Class 1 licence, I’m on £32,000 a year and I’m just about the lowest-paid truck driver in the West Midlands.

How are you anyway, what are you up to this year?

It was less a comment on the pay received by uni students and the value/ worth of a degree, but more a comment on the 21 hours. There are literally signs of shop windows looking g for staff, or easy get a waitresses job.

No good suggesting to people like us that haven’t had the luxury of a 40 hour week when - I did use the word some - younger people are doing part time

the nodding donkey:

albion:
According to the DWP, there are 5.3 million people in receipt of some form of out of work benefit. They for a start, can go and do some work.

Follow that with some of the young people who want work life balance ( in my day that was called working less than 80 hours), like my mates daughter with her degree in photography and make up, who works 21 hours a week on a Boots make up counter.

Retired at 54, no intention of going back, far too much to occupy me. Plus 16 weeks holiday in 37 years means I’ve a lot to catch up on.

That is a sweeping number, and no doubt includes people who receive working tax credits, and health related benefits.

It will include those on sickness benefit, but it also includes those who find they can work a few hours and then top up with benefits.

I live in Runcorn, one if those poor Northern towns, I can literally introduce you to people who do exactly that. Personally I’ve got too much self respect, but that doesn’t mean I blame them for doing the maths and thinking why should I do 40 hours in a rubbish job for minimum wage if I can get close enough the same by doing 16 hours + benefits.

The point as above in my answer to Harry’s post, is that having worked my bits off doing long hours even by driver standards, I’m not going back to work while those who could work, aren’t.

I claim no benefits and I still pay tax

albion:
According to the DWP, there are 5.3 million people in receipt of some form of out of work benefit. They for a start, can go and do some work.
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Does that include parents with a full time role raising children?

stu675:

albion:
According to the DWP, there are 5.3 million people in receipt of some form of out of work benefit. They for a start, can go and do some work.
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Does that include parents with a full time role raising children?

Why shouldn’t it ?
My wife and I have raised 2 children while holding down full time jobs as well - what makes your example so special ?

beefy4605:

stu675:

albion:
According to the DWP, there are 5.3 million people in receipt of some form of out of work benefit. They for a start, can go and do some work.
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Does that include parents with a full time role raising children?

Why shouldn’t it ?
My wife and I have raised 2 children while holding down full time jobs as well - what makes your example so special ?

To be fair i couldn’t make the mrs going back to work pay after the boy was born. So she dropped from five days full time to three days part time. Any more than that and any extra earnings were just eaten up in paying for childcare so why bother? That was 10 years ago now with staff discount too!

Now he’s in school its a lot easier obviously, so she’s picked a day up and we don’t need her to work five, but for comparative purposes she’d earn around £2000 net if she did work five days, and nursery fees would be £2400.

So yeah i can see exactly why some jack in work rather than going to work to pay for something you need so you can go to work.

Like most mothers in the early 1960s my Mum didn’t work, apart from occasionally doing an evening job just for a bit of pin money. She’s 87 now and she says “Women fought for the right to work, and they won the obligation to work”.

Wise words.