Wincanski having a little lay down

UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUMS THE UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUM (INTERACTIVE)
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I blame ze Germans. If they had ever invented a lorry with enough guts to crack on a bit, matey could have blacked lined the trailer round the roundabout and fired it out the ever end without a worry… :smiley: :smiley:

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And also blame wincanton, as they should have stuck to doing milk rounds.

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robroy:

Quackers:

robroy:

Quackers:
Why don’t you all just guess about what happened?
Oh! You already did that.

Why don’t you tell us what happened?
Oh! You don’t know either do you.

No I don’t.
Accordingly I won’t hang a driver until I know what did happen, unlike some people on here.

And here’s me thinking that the concept of a forum was to discuss matters such as this, and to give and share opinions.

Discuss what? We don’t know anything.

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We know a lorry fell over.

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…on a roundabout.

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Contraflow:
We know a lorry fell over.

Do we though?

Maybe the road stood up?

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could have had a live load in it :wink:

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Own Account Driver:

Contraflow:
We know a lorry fell over.

Do we though?

Maybe the road stood up?

It’s possible.

But looking at the pictures, that road looks like it’s still lying down.

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nick2008:

robinhood_1984:
Will the port officially allow me to break the seal and then re-seal it with documentation to say they have done so?

The port authority will tell you to do as you want … Its nothing to do with them … its down to the import office or agent.
If you want to break the seal that’s who you check with as some containers are HMCR sealed for bond… then you need to talk to customs , but on the whole you just need to ask if they say no then its up to you if you want to take it on …
You would need to have a good reason for getting the seal broken though ie as you drive round the dock the container feels dangerously unstable …

So those drivers who have only ever driven curtainsiders internally within the UK who say “The driver should check the load” are not speaking from experience of container haulage then if its often not even possible or allowed to do so in some/most circumstances?
As I say, I’ve not done deep sea containers before, only short sea and thats no different to unaccompanied trailers and as such all internal EU work so not subject to the same customs requirements as may be the case with deep sea. I know that over here, I often load an inbond load out of the US which transits US territory to the Canadian border under customs bond and once sealed by US customs at point of loading, cannot under be opened up until it reaches the border. Even police on the way are not allowed to break the seal without permission from customs, so the idea of me swapping trailers with someone and them merrily hacking the seal off to have a look in the back is a complete non starter and would end up with huge consequences that could include a massive fine.
As with all things in road transport that are the drivers responsibility, he can only adhere to those responsibilities if he’s given the correct and legal provision to do so. Just saying it is so doesn’t make it so.

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robinhood_1984:

nick2008:

robinhood_1984:
Will the port officially allow me to break the seal and then re-seal it with documentation to say they have done so?

The port authority will tell you to do as you want … Its nothing to do with them … its down to the import office or agent.
If you want to break the seal that’s who you check with as some containers are HMCR sealed for bond… then you need to talk to customs , but on the whole you just need to ask if they say no then its up to you if you want to take it on …
You would need to have a good reason for getting the seal broken though ie as you drive round the dock the container feels dangerously unstable …

So those drivers who have only ever driven curtainsiders internally within the UK who say “The driver should check the load” are not speaking from experience of container haulage then if its often not even possible or allowed to do so in some/most circumstances?
As I say, I’ve not done deep sea containers before, only short sea and thats no different to unaccompanied trailers and as such all internal EU work so not subject to the same customs requirements as may be the case with deep sea. I know that over here, I often load an inbond load out of the US which transits US territory to the Canadian border under customs bond and once sealed by US customs at point of loading, cannot under be opened up until it reaches the border. Even police on the way are not allowed to break the seal without permission from customs, so the idea of me swapping trailers with someone and them merrily hacking the seal off to have a look in the back is a complete non starter and would end up with huge consequences that could include a massive fine.
As with all things in road transport that are the drivers responsibility, he can only adhere to those responsibilities if he’s given the correct and legal provision to do so. Just saying it is so doesn’t make it so.

You’ve lost me here …
as I said if its bond or customs sealed … customs are the only ones that can Authorise the breaking of the seal… your just talking about any joe blob removing a seal … and that’s NOT what I said …

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It aint that hard and there is no need to bust the seal.
Box on and see what it feels like, any concerns then make a call or three and find out whats in it.

Stone stacked vertical and liquid being the ones that will keep you on edge.

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bazstan009:
It aint that hard and there is no need to bust the seal.
Box on and see what it feels like, any concerns then make a call or three and find out whats in it.

Stone stacked vertical and liquid being the ones that will keep you on edge.

exactly

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I’ll bet a quid he was going too fast.

I’d like to know the stats. How many go over from excess speed, and how many from some factor outside the control of the driver?

We don’t know here, but I’ll bet that quid that there are far more go over from excess speed than anything else… :slight_smile:

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Truckulent:
I’ll bet a quid he was going too fast.

I’d like to know the stats. How many go over from excess speed, and how many from some factor outside the control of the driver?

We don’t know here, but I’ll bet that quid that there are far more go over from excess speed than anything else… :slight_smile:

You can have slow rolls!!!
Mate of mine went over on Bardon roundabout at 17 mph, work that one out :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth:

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tango boy:

Truckulent:
I’ll bet a quid he was going too fast.

I’d like to know the stats. How many go over from excess speed, and how many from some factor outside the control of the driver?

We don’t know here, but I’ll bet that quid that there are far more go over from excess speed than anything else… :slight_smile:

You can have slow rolls!!!
Mate of mine went over on Bardon roundabout at 17 mph, work that one out :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth:

lunch box moved :grimacing:

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nick2008:

tango boy:

Truckulent:
I’ll bet a quid he was going too fast.

I’d like to know the stats. How many go over from excess speed, and how many from some factor outside the control of the driver?

We don’t know here, but I’ll bet that quid that there are far more go over from excess speed than anything else… :slight_smile:

You can have slow rolls!!!
Mate of mine went over on Bardon roundabout at 17 mph, work that one out :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth:

lunch box moved :grimacing:

That’s the one :stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue:

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Wouldn’t it be much easier if twistlocks were done away with. That way the containers could just topple off with less damage, job done…

God I’m so full of genius ideas

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nick2008:
could have had a live load in it :wink:

That’s only at Tilbury

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tango boy:

Truckulent:
I’ll bet a quid he was going too fast.

I’d like to know the stats. How many go over from excess speed, and how many from some factor outside the control of the driver?

We don’t know here, but I’ll bet that quid that there are far more go over from excess speed than anything else… :slight_smile:

You can have slow rolls!!!
Mate of mine went over on Bardon roundabout at 17 mph, work that one out :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth:

Erm… Easy mate. It’s not just the speed… it’s related to the geometry of the curve as well!!

Regarding the load shifting. The load will generally shift as a result of the cetrifugal force generated by the cornering. It is not impossible for the load to shift to one side while the vehicle is stationary, but it’s much less likely. i.e. more often than not it’s the actions of the driver that causes the load to move in the first place.

A bit of net research suggests that the most common reason for a truck tipping over is entering curve at excessive speed and/or not anticipating the sharpness of the curve

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Truckulent:

tango boy:

Truckulent:
I’ll bet a quid he was going too fast.

I’d like to know the stats. How many go over from excess speed, and how many from some factor outside the control of the driver?

We don’t know here, but I’ll bet that quid that there are far more go over from excess speed than anything else… :slight_smile:

You can have slow rolls!!!
Mate of mine went over on Bardon roundabout at 17 mph, work that one out :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth:

Erm… Easy mate. It’s not just the speed… it’s related to the geometry of the curve as well!!

Regarding the load shifting. The load will generally shift as a result of the cetrifugal force generated by the cornering. It is not impossible for the load to shift to one side while the vehicle is stationary, but it’s much less likely. i.e. more often than not it’s the actions of the driver that causes the load to move in the first place.

A bit of net research suggests that the most common reason for a truck tipping over is entering curve at excessive speed and/or not anticipating the sharpness of the curve

Okey dokey, was just saying that slow rolls occur too :smiley: