If you don’t do it then what other jobs are there out there? I have my own wagon so i’ll definitely be getting mine. I can understand people coming up to retirement or those that just do casual driving but if you’re employed as a full time driver, if you don’t do it you’re out of a job, simples.
Already done 14hours,doing next 7hrs in june.Company pays for it and pays us for attending.
BIGRIG1:
Is it a legal requirement across Europe…
Yes, some other countries have had this sort of thing for years and much harder than the UK one. It’s partly because of the French, who are one of the countries to have had a similar thing for a long time, that it was introduced across the EU.
I’m doing it because its not costing me anything 
I`ve got a friend thats on agency work and he was
getting told £70 etc each time…He sits in with us and
pays £8 a time. for admin 
Fatboy slimslow:
AndyH71:
Fatboy slimslow:
Stobart paid for me last three so two to do then hopefully never do it again as I’ll be truckin in Canada/ USA! This country is jodrell BANK!25 years down the drain
there won’t be a White Englishman driving in this country in five years so get brushing up ( in no particular order ) on your jockenese, Irish, welsh, Turk, Croat, Serb, rumu, hungaro, bulgar, Urdu and whatever other madmen they let into this country!
So allow me to clarify then old chap.
You wish to solve your problem with immigrants by going somewhere else and being one?
Just because you are (I presume) a white Englishman won’t make you immune to racism and descrimination, somewhere along the line I guarantee you that some American or Canadian will give you a rainstorm of abuse for “coming over here and stealing our jobs” followed by the “[zb] off back to your own country” rant/routine etc etc…Your use of asterisks doesn’t make that word become acceptable. dd.
Correct!
I’ll be living over there, NEVER to come back
Jimbo I speak five of those languages,as I say I chose to drive a truck for a living!
fair enough… you will get some real good jobs over here:roll: if its urdu and russian.
Slackbladder:
Hey there shep532, having read all the replies in this tread do you still feel its relevant?, of course you do because, as I said earlier myself, the only people that think it’s a good idea are those with a vested interest in it, trainers for example. Not one of the replies from lads that have done any of it has been positive. They do it because, in most cases it’s being paid for and it’s a change from the routine.
I don’t see it as a relevant course because it attendance only. No test = no real interest.
I can’t complain so far, I have done 14 hours, The first 7 got me a CPCS Hi-ab Card, and the 2nd was the first time i had had any formal Tacho training since i passed my test 7 years ago, and allthough most of the other drivers on the course thought it was a waste of time I learnt a few things about WTD etc that i didn’t know before.
I can’t complain as i get paid to do it as well, and for the the final 21 hours i need to do, i have been told we will be sent on a load security course of which i am sure i will learn something and then ADR,
So all in all I think the Dcpc is a good thing, I doubt the company i work for would have paid for any of this unless they had had to.
Owen
Everybody has to do it the company doesnt have to pay for it though!
Slackbladder:
Hey there shep532, having read all the replies in this tread do you still feel its relevant?, of course you do because, as I said earlier myself, the only people that think it’s a good idea are those with a vested interest in it, trainers for example. Not one of the replies from lads that have done any of it has been positive. They do it because, in most cases it’s being paid for and it’s a change from the routine.
I don’t see it as a relevant course because it attendance only. No test = no real interest.
Is the DCPC needed and relevant?
Let’s think now … … …
That is one example of soooo many on here.
I am under no illusions as to the level of expertise demonstrated by some drivers, my point about the course is that :
You have to attend, you don’t have to take notice. How do you, as a trainer, know if your class has taken in what you have spent 7 hours teaching them? Answer is you don’t because there is no test. Until there is the whole thing will remain irrelevant.
You may well be evaluated on your course content, it doesn’t tell me that all trainers are or that they don’t repeat some 7hr sessions.
The problem I have with the whole thing is that it appears to have been thrown together with little though towards what should be achieved. It’s no good saying it will evolve, it’s should be sorted out before it starts. Here’s an idea, why not cover things like tachograph rules when going through driver training? Surely that would be better than getting loads of old driving stories while going from cafe to cafe.
some keep saying “everyone that drives a hgv for a living needs a dcpc”.
those that are saying it are the trainers that come on here and tout for business.
if you check the following link, you’ll find they are talking complete crap as usual.
also, check page 3, i found it a tad intersesting.
Slackbladder:
You have to attend, you don’t have to take notice. How do you, as a trainer, know if your class has taken in what you have spent 7 hours teaching them?
Training is not just standing at the front talking or showing videos. it is about interaction with everyone. Involving everyone in the room. Checking progress with questions - posing problems and asking for answers. I also throw in tests, quizzes, group activities. I involve everyone. I can’t make anyone take it in - they’ve paid their money so if they want to waste it there’s nowt I can do. But I do get them involved. Most don’t like the idea of being asked a question and being unable to answer in front of everyone else - they therefore pay attention just in case.
After coffee break - standard practice is to recap the previous session by questioning them. where someone hasn’t grasped it we cover it again.
Only yesterday with 10 lads we completed an Operator CPC case study as a group where collectively we completed the task and the drivers spotted my deliverate mistake of missing out a required WTD break … everyone is encouraged to take part.
I could just read out loud from a book but i don’t. I have also stayed behind with drivers after everyone else has left and gone over their specific queries on a one-to-one … no charge
Slackbladder:
You may well be evaluated on your course content
We are evaluated on course content and trainer ability and techniques. there are recognised ways to deliver training and these are checked on by the auditors. of course they may not know what they are talking about
Slackbladder:
The problem I have with the whole thing is that it appears to have been thrown together with little though towards what should be achieved. It’s no good saying it will evolve, it’s should be sorted out before it starts.
I agree 100% with your first sentance - but not a lot I can do about it. I don’t work for the DSA or JAUPT
Why is it no good saying it will evolve? better than just staying as it is
Slackbladder:
Here’s an idea, why not cover things like tachograph rules when going through driver training? Surely that would be better than getting loads of old driving stories while going from cafe to cafe.
Now then - what a good idea. lets call it INITIAL DRIVER CPC. yes, what a cracking idea. We could give them a written test and a practical test as well. great.
Oohh … just checked - seems they already do this and have for a few years
I’ll be honest and say I have never understood wht things like drivers hours rules weren’t covered as part of obtaining the licence - but of course not everyone who obtains the licence will use tachos or operate in scope of O licensing etc. of course the Initial DCPC does now address this.
I spoke to a driver yesterday who has been driving illegally without his initial DCPC since 17th September 2009. he has just had to take his initial DCPC (so that he can then go on and do the periodic training) and he told me it was quite hard in both the exam and practical test. This was someone had been doing the job for 2 1/2 years already so it seems the standard for Initial DCPC could well be doing some good.
Pete
limeyphil:
some keep saying “everyone that drives a hgv for a living needs a dcpc”.
Anyone that does clearly doesn’t know what they are talking about.
There’s nothing new there mate. Those exemptions have been in place since the scheme was introduced.
If you don’t want to do the DCPC and still continue driving there are TWO ways of doing it.
Make sure you comply with one of the listed exemptions
Carry on working for the boss but ask him not to pay you. This way you are not driving for a living or professionaly. I know a driver that spoke to DSA about his lack of Initial DCPC. They said just ask your boss not to pay you and you can continue driving. So there ya go … everyone can ignore the DCPC and carry on driving. the Boss will love it.
the excuse of no cpc required due to not getting paid to drive would suit me.
driving £0.00
change fuse at yard £650.
lovely.
an owner driver could argue that he’s skint, so he musn’t be getting paid. 
Ignore me
No I will not be doing DCPC, as an ADI I am excempt when teaching. I would love to go back on the road as an owner driver again. Use to get a real buss from doing the business quoting for jobs, delivering the goods finding back loads, networking with other road hauliers, chasing the money, maintainace of the truck. Great job use to love it, but how can you live on the money for what you do. Someone cutting grass earns more. It’s just a sad fact that the jobs Fu…D.
If I get me HGV entitlement back I’m going to have to bite the bullet, so which courses count towards the DCPC, a few off the top of me head,
ADR
HIAB
shep532:
limeyphil:
If you don’t want to do the DCPC and still continue driving there are TWO ways of doing it.
Carry on working for the boss but ask him not to pay you. This way you are not driving for a living or professionaly. I know a driver that spoke to DSA about his lack of Initial DCPC. They said just ask your boss not to pay you and you can continue driving. So there ya go … everyone can ignore the DCPC and carry on driving. the Boss will love it.
The DCPC is for those driving commercially whether getting paid or not - the rules do not make different rules for paid and non paid drivers
Big Joe:
If I get me HGV entitlement back I’m going to have to bite the bullet, so which courses count towards the DCPC, a few off the top of me head,ADR
HIAB
Forklift (FLT)
put those 3 together and you’ve almost got your required hours as well as adding/renewing tickets that will hopefully pick up more work
ROG:
shep532:
limeyphil:
If you don’t want to do the DCPC and still continue driving there are TWO ways of doing it.
Carry on working for the boss but ask him not to pay you. This way you are not driving for a living or professionaly. I know a driver that spoke to DSA about his lack of Initial DCPC. They said just ask your boss not to pay you and you can continue driving. So there ya go … everyone can ignore the DCPC and carry on driving. the Boss will love it.
The DCPC is for those driving commercially whether getting paid or not - the rules do not make different rules for paid and non paid drivers
I’m just relaying what the DSA told a driver - I was there at the time (he used my phone to call them) and know it to be true, although I doubt it is correct. he had not done the initial DCPC - he turned up for some periodic training, I didn’t realise he didn’t have the initial DCPC and his training was refused when I uploaded it. We rang the DSA and that’s the answer he got.
The actual exemption mentions ‘personal use’ (is used for non-commercial carriage of passengers or goods, for personal use) so its not just non-commercial really is it?
We all know anyone who wants to drive a wagon carrying goods is gonna have to do the DCPC. Exemptions or not - if you have a vocational licence and might want to use it for work - get the DCPC done. I got mine.
ROG:
shep532:
limeyphil:
If you don’t want to do the DCPC and still continue driving there are TWO ways of doing it.
Carry on working for the boss but ask him not to pay you. This way you are not driving for a living or professionaly. I know a driver that spoke to DSA about his lack of Initial DCPC. They said just ask your boss not to pay you and you can continue driving. So there ya go … everyone can ignore the DCPC and carry on driving. the Boss will love it.
The DCPC is for those driving commercially whether getting paid or not - the rules do not make different rules for paid and non paid drivers
and to drive commercially, you must be getting paid. just because the haulage company is operating commercialy, it dosn’t mean the driver is.