Will you do it (poll)

legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2007 … ion/3/made

Persons to whom these Regulations apply

3.–(1) These Regulations apply to any person who drives a relevant vehicle, other than a vehicle to which paragraph (2) applies, on a road and is –
(a)a national of a member State; or .
(b)a national of a third country employed or used by an undertaking established in a member State.

limeyphil:

ROG:

shep532:

limeyphil:
If you don’t want to do the DCPC and still continue driving there are TWO ways of doing it.

Carry on working for the boss but ask him not to pay you. This way you are not driving for a living or professionaly. I know a driver that spoke to DSA about his lack of Initial DCPC. They said just ask your boss not to pay you and you can continue driving. So there ya go … everyone can ignore the DCPC and carry on driving. the Boss will love it.

The DCPC is for those driving commercially whether getting paid or not - the rules do not make different rules for paid and non paid drivers

and to drive commercially, you must be getting paid. just because the haulage company is operating commercialy, it dosn’t mean the driver is.

Hang on … what’s goin on 'ere then? Limeyphil is actually supporting something I posted :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth:

Limeyphil … just get your DCPC done. You know you want to.

Shep 532. I have no problem with your method of instruction, it similar to standard army training, with the obvious exception, testing. But having read the threads on these forums you cannot say that all training is of the same standard. As stated earlier nobody comes on saying how good/ worthwhile it was.
The operator cpc info is irrelevant to this thread, it’s not the same thing.
The guy driving illegally because the tests were too hard raises a few questions as to who puts him on the road with no pass. If anyone can just drive after finding the tests too hard it makes a mockery of the whole training system surely.
As to being able to do nothing about the course, do you not have to send feedback on courses back up the chain? This is how courses evolve, by pointing out what does and doesn’t work and could do with another look. If all trainers are happy to just do what is given them the course will never get any better or any more relevant.

I will.

Hope that helps .

Couple of valid points there … rather than just the usual trainer bashing :wink:

Slackbladder:
Shep 532. I have no problem with your method of instruction, it similar to standard army training, with the obvious exception, testing. But having read the threads on these forums you cannot say that all training is of the same standard.

I’ll agree with you 100% about the standard of training. Some of the training - possibly a lot - is simply crap and not up to standard. BUT I refuse to just be tarred with the same brush without having my little say to defend what I do. I have been on two courses as a driver - total and utter rubbish. I would give it all up today if I thought I was providing a service like that.

However - aren’t we allowed to have some crap trainers in the same way we have some crap drivers and crap politicians and crap teachers and crap factory workers and bent coppers and … where do I stop? :open_mouth:

Testing? I do test those on my courses - just maybe not in a written format - although we do sometines have multi-choice tests but with no pass or fail because I am not allowed to do that.

Slackbladder:
As stated earlier nobody comes on saying how good/ worthwhile it was.

I reckon a lot of what is posted is to either simply stir things up for a laugh, or becasue they feel they have to in case their mates read it. I’ll accept some have valid comments because they genuinely got crap training. I’ll also maintain the cross section of people of this forum is actually only a very small cross section of the drivers out there and there are many are satisfied, learnt something and benefited from it

Slackbladder:
The operator cpc info is irrelevant to this thread, it’s not the same thing.

Not sure about that but - go on I’ll let you have that one

Slackbladder:
The guy driving illegally because the tests were too hard raises a few questions as to who puts him on the road with no pass. If anyone can just drive after finding the tests too hard it makes a mockery of the whole training system surely.

Not quite how it went. He took his driving lessons and then practical driving test and passed. Nobody mentioned the initial DCPC and he went and got himself a job. His new boss didn’t know there was such a thing as an initial DCPC either.
2 1/2 years later he comes along with his boss and other drivers to do 21 hours of periodic training. I checked he was him and had a valid cat C licence - didn’t spot when he had passed it (lesson learnt).
After 14 hours of training DSA wrote to him and me to say the training wasn’t valid because he didn’t have the initial DCPC.
So - he was immediately taken off the road by his boss and the initial DCPC tests booked. Theory and practical.
He found them both quite hard - yet he had been doing the job for 2 1/2 years but … and this is me banging my own gong - he said becasue of the training he had already done with me he passed. Had he not had the periodic training first he reckons he wouldn’t have passed. But we’ll never know.

He wasn’t MADE to take the initial DCPC because the licence he acquired might just as well only ever be used for personal use - so no DCPC required. it is for the driver to know whether he needs the DCPC or not

He now has a DQC and 5 years to complete 35 hours training. he has already been back and done 14 hours.

Slackbladder:
As to being able to do nothing about the course, do you not have to send feedback on courses back up the chain? This is how courses evolve, by pointing out what does and doesn’t work and could do with another look. If all trainers are happy to just do what is given them the course will never get any better or any more relevant.

No I don’t have to send feedback back up the chain. I have to keep feedback for auditors to look at. An auditor will also ask the students for feedback whilst the trainer is out of the room.

But you do seem to misunderstand how the course content works. Trainers aren’t given anything. Trainers come up with the course content and get it approved. The courses aren’t supplied or set by anyone. there is a guide to what the training should cover, but that’s about it.

My drivers hours course will be completely different to someone elses - that’s because I wrote it from start to finish. I wrote the content, time table, powerpoint slides, handouts - the lot. therefore each course will be presented in a different way.

Even ADR isn’t done this way. With ADR there are probably 3 or 4 different presentations and trainers like Diesel Dave use one or another if you see what I mean. Go do ADR in 3 or 4 different places and you will find the same presentations - just about. That won’t happen with DCPC unless its a crap training provider that just buys someone elses course.

My drivers hours course was only approved in September 2011 yet I have re-written it twice so far. All changes have been due to feedback from drivers. Bits I found didn’t work as well as I thought get changed. handouts develop - the course evolves

Shall I be honest? I reckon if I sent any kind of feedback to JAUPT they’d ignore me or pay me extra visits to teach me a lesson. They certainly aren’t the friendly bunch I ever dealt with

Oh well - enough waffle from me

I am arranging mine in the London area at my own expense. Cost of courses seem to vary . Taking advantage of one free one organised by Hammersmith and Fulham Council . Other courses were between £90 and £100 per session . Was quoted £150 per day by one company . Offered £100 for a one day session which they were willing to accept . AA Drivetech seem to have lots of courses. If paying yourself , how much are you paying per day ?

N.I Express:
I am arranging mine in the London area at my own expense. Cost of courses seem to vary . Taking advantage of one free one organised by Hammersmith and Fulham Council . Other courses were between £90 and £100 per session . Was quoted £150 per day by one company . Offered £100 for a one day session which they were willing to accept . AA Drivetech seem to have lots of courses. If paying yourself , how much are you paying per day ?

Depending on circumstances I am CHARGING from £25 cash to £50 + upload + vat for companies. Although I have done a course for someone for just the upload fee 'cos I believed his sob story. Turns out he was lying so I won’t fall for that one again :unamused:

My advertised price is £50 + vat + £8.75 which I believe to be a reasonable price. This includes course, certificate, handouts, upload, tea/coffee/water throughout the day but no lunch.

Clearly it is far cheaper oop north :smiley: But I might open a training centre down south if I can get £150 per person :open_mouth:

I’m “undecided” in other words if someone pays me to do it I will, OR at the very last minute if I still need my licences for work.
But generally I think its a “waste of time” and in someways a mist opportunity to improve driving stands. It would be more beneficial in may opinion to have 35 hours practical driving instruction than 35 hours watching videos and drinking coffee? As we all pick up the odd bad habit.

The benefits for existing drivers are:-

  1. The CPC adds extra cost to people planning on joining the industry. I other words will they be bothered to invest in a licences if they only earn £8.50 hour? which could mean less drivers? supply and demand and all that stuff!! what I mean is Wages could go UP■■? or not■■?
  2. Keeps you up-to date with legislation, although I do think there are more cost effective ways?
  3. I cannot think of any more■■?

The down sides I can see are:-

  1. Potential extra cost for drivers.
  2. Connot use the excuse when pulled over by VOSA “I didn’t know of that rule” because they well say “well you have done you DCPC haven’t you?”.

Done 21 hours so far (paid for by other parties) if someone else pays for the rest then yes :smiley:

shep532:

N.I Express:
I am arranging mine in the London area at my own expense. Cost of courses seem to vary . Taking advantage of one free one organised by Hammersmith and Fulham Council . Other courses were between £90 and £100 per session . Was quoted £150 per day by one company . Offered £100 for a one day session which they were willing to accept . AA Drivetech seem to have lots of courses. If paying yourself , how much are you paying per day ?

Depending on circumstances I am CHARGING from £25 cash to £50 + upload + vat for companies. Although I have done a course for someone for just the upload fee 'cos I believed his sob story. Turns out he was lying so I won’t fall for that one again :unamused:

My advertised price is £50 + vat + £8.75 which I believe to be a reasonable price. This includes course, certificate, handouts, upload, tea/coffee/water throughout the day but no lunch.

Clearly it is far cheaper oop north :smiley: But I might open a training centre down south if I can get £150 per person :open_mouth:

that’s a nice little earner. still useless crap though.
but most importantly. is the dry ski slope still in rossendale?

limeyphil:

shep532:

N.I Express:
I am arranging mine in the London area at my own expense. Cost of courses seem to vary . Taking advantage of one free one organised by Hammersmith and Fulham Council . Other courses were between £90 and £100 per session . Was quoted £150 per day by one company . Offered £100 for a one day session which they were willing to accept . AA Drivetech seem to have lots of courses. If paying yourself , how much are you paying per day ?

Depending on circumstances I am CHARGING from £25 cash to £50 + upload + vat for companies. Although I have done a course for someone for just the upload fee 'cos I believed his sob story. Turns out he was lying so I won’t fall for that one again :unamused:

My advertised price is £50 + vat + £8.75 which I believe to be a reasonable price. This includes course, certificate, handouts, upload, tea/coffee/water throughout the day but no lunch.

Clearly it is far cheaper oop north :smiley: But I might open a training centre down south if I can get £150 per person :open_mouth:

that’s a nice little earner. still useless crap though.
but most importantly. is the dry ski slope still in rossendale?

yes we still have a dry ski slope. it’s gone bust numerous times due to lack of people using it but the latest bail out has it open again with a new sign.

I was thinking of getting a DCPC course approved for skiing. I can’t see JAUPT having a problem with this as it would benefit drivers stuck in the snow. So 08:30 to 12:30 Drivers Hours and WTD. 13:00 to 16:30 Dri Ski slope Advanced First Driver On Scene Skiing techniques.

What you reckon?

pmsl.
add on a first aid course for all the broken bones, and you’ve cracked it. :laughing:

so whats the crack doing DCPC without an LGV entitlement. My lad is 17, would he be able to start amassing the DCPC hours before getting an LGV provisional. And in my case my Class 2 has been revoked on medical grounds, hopefully to be reinstated, but if I did any of the required hours before it was given back would they count :question:

Got mine when I did my OCR CPC as part of the 10 day course.

Big Joe:
so whats the crack doing DCPC without an LGV entitlement. My lad is 17, would he be able to start amassing the DCPC hours before getting an LGV provisional. And in my case my Class 2 has been revoked on medical grounds, hopefully to be reinstated, but if I did any of the required hours before it was given back would they count :question:

Unfortunately the easy answer is NO and NO

For your lad - he has to do the INITIAL DCPC then do the PERIODIC. if he does the periodic first it won’t count and will be declared invalid.

For you … must have a valid licence to take the periodic. if you did get through the booking in process with an invalid licence - within 15 days or so of the training it’d be decalred invald.

HOWEVER - having said that my medical had expired when I completed the first 7 hours of DCPC and it still went through OK.

I would ring DSA and check about your medical grounds.

shep532:

Big Joe:
so whats the crack doing DCPC without an LGV entitlement. My lad is 17, would he be able to start amassing the DCPC hours before getting an LGV provisional. And in my case my Class 2 has been revoked on medical grounds, hopefully to be reinstated, but if I did any of the required hours before it was given back would they count :question:

Unfortunately the easy answer is NO and NO

For your lad - he has to do the INITIAL DCPC then do the PERIODIC. if he does the periodic first it won’t count and will be declared invalid.

For you … must have a valid licence to take the periodic. if you did get through the booking in process with an invalid licence - within 15 days or so of the training it’d be decalred invald.

HOWEVER - having said that my medical had expired when I completed the first 7 hours of DCPC and it still went through OK.

I would ring DSA and check about your medical grounds.

OK, thanks shep :confused: