Couple of valid points there … rather than just the usual trainer bashing 
Slackbladder:
Shep 532. I have no problem with your method of instruction, it similar to standard army training, with the obvious exception, testing. But having read the threads on these forums you cannot say that all training is of the same standard.
I’ll agree with you 100% about the standard of training. Some of the training - possibly a lot - is simply crap and not up to standard. BUT I refuse to just be tarred with the same brush without having my little say to defend what I do. I have been on two courses as a driver - total and utter rubbish. I would give it all up today if I thought I was providing a service like that.
However - aren’t we allowed to have some crap trainers in the same way we have some crap drivers and crap politicians and crap teachers and crap factory workers and bent coppers and … where do I stop? 
Testing? I do test those on my courses - just maybe not in a written format - although we do sometines have multi-choice tests but with no pass or fail because I am not allowed to do that.
Slackbladder:
As stated earlier nobody comes on saying how good/ worthwhile it was.
I reckon a lot of what is posted is to either simply stir things up for a laugh, or becasue they feel they have to in case their mates read it. I’ll accept some have valid comments because they genuinely got crap training. I’ll also maintain the cross section of people of this forum is actually only a very small cross section of the drivers out there and there are many are satisfied, learnt something and benefited from it
Slackbladder:
The operator cpc info is irrelevant to this thread, it’s not the same thing.
Not sure about that but - go on I’ll let you have that one
Slackbladder:
The guy driving illegally because the tests were too hard raises a few questions as to who puts him on the road with no pass. If anyone can just drive after finding the tests too hard it makes a mockery of the whole training system surely.
Not quite how it went. He took his driving lessons and then practical driving test and passed. Nobody mentioned the initial DCPC and he went and got himself a job. His new boss didn’t know there was such a thing as an initial DCPC either.
2 1/2 years later he comes along with his boss and other drivers to do 21 hours of periodic training. I checked he was him and had a valid cat C licence - didn’t spot when he had passed it (lesson learnt).
After 14 hours of training DSA wrote to him and me to say the training wasn’t valid because he didn’t have the initial DCPC.
So - he was immediately taken off the road by his boss and the initial DCPC tests booked. Theory and practical.
He found them both quite hard - yet he had been doing the job for 2 1/2 years but … and this is me banging my own gong - he said becasue of the training he had already done with me he passed. Had he not had the periodic training first he reckons he wouldn’t have passed. But we’ll never know.
He wasn’t MADE to take the initial DCPC because the licence he acquired might just as well only ever be used for personal use - so no DCPC required. it is for the driver to know whether he needs the DCPC or not
He now has a DQC and 5 years to complete 35 hours training. he has already been back and done 14 hours.
Slackbladder:
As to being able to do nothing about the course, do you not have to send feedback on courses back up the chain? This is how courses evolve, by pointing out what does and doesn’t work and could do with another look. If all trainers are happy to just do what is given them the course will never get any better or any more relevant.
No I don’t have to send feedback back up the chain. I have to keep feedback for auditors to look at. An auditor will also ask the students for feedback whilst the trainer is out of the room.
But you do seem to misunderstand how the course content works. Trainers aren’t given anything. Trainers come up with the course content and get it approved. The courses aren’t supplied or set by anyone. there is a guide to what the training should cover, but that’s about it.
My drivers hours course will be completely different to someone elses - that’s because I wrote it from start to finish. I wrote the content, time table, powerpoint slides, handouts - the lot. therefore each course will be presented in a different way.
Even ADR isn’t done this way. With ADR there are probably 3 or 4 different presentations and trainers like Diesel Dave use one or another if you see what I mean. Go do ADR in 3 or 4 different places and you will find the same presentations - just about. That won’t happen with DCPC unless its a crap training provider that just buys someone elses course.
My drivers hours course was only approved in September 2011 yet I have re-written it twice so far. All changes have been due to feedback from drivers. Bits I found didn’t work as well as I thought get changed. handouts develop - the course evolves
Shall I be honest? I reckon if I sent any kind of feedback to JAUPT they’d ignore me or pay me extra visits to teach me a lesson. They certainly aren’t the friendly bunch I ever dealt with
Oh well - enough waffle from me