Ok, so we all know the paperless license comes into effect in June, whereby you are obliged to destroy the paper part of your photo license. Most employers were able to visibly see if you had any endorsements etc. I know it is going online now, but you will need national insurance number as well as your driving license number to access it.
Question: I have no problems with giving my NI number to a ‘reputable’ agency to check my license, but is it likely any agency clients would also require your NI number to check if your license is clean, or do they just need to see you have the correct category for the vehicle you are driving?
Incidentally my license is completely clean, my concern is more one of who has access to my NI number. With identity theft a problem nowadays, I’d rather not be giving it out to every Tom, ■■■■, or Harry, as it would be like a ‘Golden Ticket’ in the wrong hands.
The version out now is for use by YOU
You will not need to give transport companies/agencies your NI Number, there will be a new system released around June that will allow you to set permissions for companies to check your licence. It will be called GOV.UK VERIFY
dvladigital.blog.gov.uk/2014/09 … d-parties/
Not looked at the new system yet, but thought you could access, then eventually when its up and running create a guest password for someone to check your entitlements and offences.
Cheers Trubster. Like many government schemes, communication isn’t their strong point, with many people not even aware of the changes coming up in June.
Bit like the way DVLA never notified people with vocational licenses about the dcpc roll out. I sometimes wonder if there are still drivers out there oblivious to the fact they need a dcpc?
LIBERTY_GUY:
Cheers Trubster. Like many government schemes, communication isn’t their strong point, with many people not even aware of the changes coming up in June.
Bit like the way DVLA never notified people with vocational licenses about the dcpc roll out. I sometimes wonder if there are still drivers out there oblivious to the fact they need a dcpc?
With the CPC, It did get quite a bit of coverage, I saw it advertised in Post Offices, Motorway Services, Truckstops, Traffic England and even got a leaflet with my new tacho card. Of course the Truck Mag’s too.
I find it hard to believe that any company wouldn’t know about this.
trubster:
LIBERTY_GUY:
Cheers Trubster. Like many government schemes, communication isn’t their strong point, with many people not even aware of the changes coming up in June.
Bit like the way DVLA never notified people with vocational licenses about the dcpc roll out. I sometimes wonder if there are still drivers out there oblivious to the fact they need a dcpc?
With the CPC, It did get quite a bit of coverage, I saw it advertised in Post Offices, Motorway Services, Truckstops, Traffic England and even got a leaflet with my new tacho card. Of course the Truck Mag’s too.
I find it hard to believe that any company wouldn’t know about this.
I agree but then there are still many drivers unaware of the recent speed limit increases.
Tried that verify farce yesterday for my missus. Unless you have a photocard licence and a passport you can only do it through Experian and if you haven’t got credit cards, bank accounts etc. they can’t help you. They are only a credit reference agency and a joke one at that.
trubster:
LIBERTY_GUY:
Cheers Trubster. Like many government schemes, communication isn’t their strong point, with many people not even aware of the changes coming up in June.
Bit like the way DVLA never notified people with vocational licenses about the dcpc roll out. I sometimes wonder if there are still drivers out there oblivious to the fact they need a dcpc?
With the CPC, It did get quite a bit of coverage, I saw it advertised in Post Offices, Motorway Services, Truckstops, Traffic England and even got a leaflet with my new tacho card. Of course the Truck Mag’s too.
I find it hard to believe that any company wouldn’t know about this.
I was thinking more in terms of the government actually notifying license holders directly. Some drivers don’t venture near truckstops, or read truck magazines or might only drive sporadically. For something as profound as your license no longer being valid, think a mailshot would have been far better than relying on third party communication.
whereby you are obliged to destroy the paper part of your photo license.
Where did you get that load of rubbish!
SWEDISH BLUE:
whereby you are obliged to destroy the paper part of your photo license.
Where did you get that load of rubbish!
Reading it from the car magazine right in front of me now, that is quoting an official source… “The paper part to photo licenses is being withdrawn from 8th June 2015. After this date, the counterpart will have no legal status and should be destroyed”.
Also just found it on this government website here Driving licence counterpart abolished: changes you need to know - GOV.UK where they are also telling you to destroy it.
LIBERTY_GUY:
I sometimes wonder if there are still drivers out there oblivious to the fact they need a dcpc?
There is! I turned up at a company for a puddle jumping session. Guy checked all my cards and made me sign a declaration. Usual agency ■■■■■■■■. Another guy came in and the woman who was sitting in there said “He’s got his CPC and all!” the guy replied with “You don’t need that do you!?” 
Got out, another guy is loading the truck for me (lucky me). Transpires the pallets were going in a van, but were too heavy. So he asked the guy “Can you drive a 7.5 tonner?” “Yeah I can.” “Have you got your CPC?”.
So I got to drive to Tunbridge Wells and it took for [zb] ever. (From the West Midlands). Wouldn’t have minded in a van with better speed limits. But getting passed in an empty 7.5t (so 5t?) with one occupant by 15-20t coaches with 50 people in at one hell of a clip. If I crash, I die. If the coach driver crashes, 20 people die and 20 more are seriously injured in a hospital. Yet they can go faster than me (thankless ■■■■■■■■ as well)…
LIBERTY_GUY:
SWEDISH BLUE:
whereby you are obliged to destroy the paper part of your photo license.
Where did you get that load of rubbish!
Reading it from the car magazine right in front of me now, that is quoting an official source… “The paper part to photo licenses is being withdrawn from 8th June 2015. After this date, the counterpart will have no legal status and should be destroyed”.
Also just found it on this government website here Driving licence counterpart abolished: changes you need to know - GOV.UK where they are also telling you to destroy it.
You should not take everything on the .gov.uk website as law, it’s basically an advisory website and while it’s quite good there are mistakes.
I think you can be pretty certain that where it says “You should destroy your paper counterpart” it means you can if you want to because it’s usefulness is now defunct, you’re certainly not obliged to.
LIBERTY_GUY:
SWEDISH BLUE:
whereby you are obliged to destroy the paper part of your photo license.
Where did you get that load of rubbish!
Reading it from the car magazine right in front of me now, that is quoting an official source… “The paper part to photo licenses is being withdrawn from 8th June 2015. After this date, the counterpart will have no legal status and should be destroyed”.
Also just found it on this government website here Driving licence counterpart abolished: changes you need to know - GOV.UK where they are also telling you to destroy it.
Should and must mean different things. That says ‘should’ which means not obliged to do anything.
The .gov article you linked to also contradicts itself. It says after the 8th of June the court would take both parts of your licence but only return the photcard. How are they going to retain the paper part if you are obliged to destroy it on the 8th? As ta hogwash said, they make mistakes on that site and that is one right there because after the 8th you don’t even have to give the paper part to the court as it’s just a worthless bit of paper and they wouldn’t even know if you had it or not because you don’t have to return it to DVLA.
I still have every intention of retaining the paper part of my license, in the same way I kept my tax disc in my car window long after it was no longer needed. I am sure there will still be employers long after the changeover who will still be asking to see both parts of your license.
My main concern was NOT to do with the removal of the paper part, but limiting the amount of information I give to agency clients. I tend to trust them even less than I trust the agencies. 
LIBERTY_GUY:
I still have every intention of retaining the paper part of my license, in the same way I kept my tax disc in my car window long after it was no longer needed. I am sure there will still be employers long after the changeover who will still be asking to see both parts of your license.
My main concern was NOT to do with the removal of the paper part, but limiting the amount of information I give to agency clients. I tend to trust them even less than I trust the agencies.
You won’t have to give them any more information than you currently give them apart from maybe a password to check online so nothing really to get concerned about.
Coffeeholic:
As ta hogwash said, they make mistakes on that site
Is that the result of predictive text or are you trying to tell me something 
tachograph:
Coffeeholic:
As ta hogwash said, they make mistakes on that site
Is that the result of predictive text or are you trying to tell me something
Predictive text and Jack Daniels I think. 
Kenny1975:
Not looked at the new system yet, but thought you could access, then eventually when its up and running create a guest password for someone to check your entitlements and offences.
A password is created on line with driving licence and NI numbers but this password is only valid for 72 hrs which will be a pain in the arse to keep renewing. When I did agency work most firms checked paper counterparts everyday even when in for long periods.
matamoros:
Kenny1975:
Not looked at the new system yet, but thought you could access, then eventually when its up and running create a guest password for someone to check your entitlements and offences.
A password is created on line with driving licence and NI numbers but this password is only valid for 72 hrs which will be a pain in the arse to keep renewing. When I did agency work most firms checked paper counterparts everyday even when in for long periods.
I have my documents copied every shift but I have a link on my phone ready to show people why I wont be producing a counterpart from June 8th. I personally cant wait to get rid of it 
scanny77:
matamoros:
Kenny1975:
Not looked at the new system yet, but thought you could access, then eventually when its up and running create a guest password for someone to check your entitlements and offences.
A password is created on line with driving licence and NI numbers but this password is only valid for 72 hrs which will be a pain in the arse to keep renewing. When I did agency work most firms checked paper counterparts everyday even when in for long periods.
I have my documents copied every shift but I have a link on my phone ready to show people why I wont be producing a counterpart from June 8th. I personally cant wait to get rid of it
Whilst I’ve done other work through agencies, I haven’t done driving work through agencies for quite a while now. Certainly never had to take my license with me before and certainly didn’t have the client copying it on a daily basis.
Times change but from a practical perspective I don’t know how the big operators with a multitude of agency drivers operating around the clock are going to cope with validation if they have to keep logging in to look online? Out of curiosity, do these hauliers also check their own regular drivers licenses on a daily basis, or is that just reserved for agency folks?