I see the labour mp for bootle has called for a 4 day , 32 hr max week , Tory ■■■■ strongly opposes it ( bet he’s never done a days work in his life ) , just shows which party is for us the workers
Be careful what you wish for.Turkeys voting for Christmas.
Carryfast:
Be careful what you wish for.Turkeys voting for Christmas.
Yep.
Carryfast:
Be careful what you wish for.Turkeys voting for Christmas.
Indeed.
dozy:
, just shows which party is for us the workers
Yep, maybe in 1900 when it was founded with the Trade Union movement, and for about 40 to 50 or so years thereafter.
Today?..not so sure, too many ‘‘right on lefties’’ and champagne socialists there today,.they’ve kinda lost their way.
If you are a non binary, non white, lesbian/homosexual, vegan, with a disability, the pc contingent there will love you…(nothing against any of them myself personally btw, just saying things as they are.)
As for the working person ?..The jury is still out.
They stopped prioritising on the working class when Blair and his ‘‘new Labour’’ crew got in,.and what a brilliant job they done, and that was before ■■■■ Brown the Clown got in. 
After saying that, the 10 bob Maggie Thatcher that we have in now,.has managed to achieve in 2 weeks what others have took a full term to do. 
No f…cking way!!! Anything associated with Tony Blair is a NO from me.
PaddyTheLorryDriver:
No way!!! Anything associated with Tony Blair is a NO from me.
All very well !! But how could anyone possibly vote for the party of Anthony Eden?? 
Franglais:
PaddyTheLorryDriver:
No way!!! Anything associated with Tony Blair is a NO from me.All very well !! But how could anyone possibly vote for the party of Anthony Eden??
Don’t remember Eden imposing wage controls to deal with oil price led inflation in an energy self sufficient country.
Or have to go running to the IMF for a bail out to pay for our EU trade deficit after handing UKanufacturing jobs to Euroland’s workers.
Socialism needs a dependent exploitable workforce not a rich one.
What we should all do is vote neither tory nor labour nor libdem, and allow those failed excuses for politicians to wither and die.
Decades of voting for the least worst of what should be unelectable self seekers is why the country is up the creek without a paddle, simply repeating the same exercise of voting for the same failures whilst expecting a different result has always been lunacy and will always end in disappointment and more £billions added to an unservicerable national debt…which is fine if you think your grandchildren should pay your
debts, most of us don’t.
You might get your 32 hour week the way things are going, but the pay will be based on 2/3rds a normal working week too, might be ok if you fit the criteria of the taxpayer (ie us net contributors) subsidising the income upwards via various benefits, but for the decent genuine working class taking handouts isn’t what they are about.
Keir Starmer’s main hard sell to win a majority at the next election - will be to convince ex-Tory voters that overturning Brexit will bring unbridled prosperity to all in this country.
Before he can do that however, - he needs to convince the public that a coalition with the SNP would work…
The only way Sturgeon would let it work - that is, cancel any further plans to hold Indyref2 - is to tell her “Brexit is cancelled, so you no longer NEED to go for Independence”.
It is highly possible at this point that people won’t care if Brexit now gets abandoned. Remainers and Deep State alike have moved Hell on Earth to make sure it “never worked” after all.
How can there ever have been a “Brexit Dividend” without the loser’s consent from Remainers who insisted on things like “Rights for the Ruled”…?
Yeh, “Rights” like "Higher taxes, everlasting austerity, wars you didn’t vote for, riches for the elites you’d rather they didn’t get, no job at every economic downturn, and a premature death from whatever method the deepstate has decreed for you.Covid only killed 0.2% of us. “Untreated Cancer” will kill more like 30% of us! Undiagnosed other ailments - will kill off most of the rest. But Hey - Rejoice! The waiting list for gender re-assignment surgeries - has never been shorter, looking at how many “newcomers” to this country seem to have managed to get their “ops” done already, all around us! No more babies for Brits… The last generation of healthy Brits born by natural childbirth to hetrosexual mothers - may have already been born…
For most of us, the “future” will be a premature death from things like “Discontinued Oncology” which is what happens if you have an ailment that “needs to be caught in time” - but isn’t and you just die needlessly, in the end from “NHS neglect”. rolled out on such an industrial scale, that the “Holocaust” will look mild by comparison. It isn’t that far-fetched to realize that rather more than six million of us will needlessly perish in NHS hospitals over the next five years “Too poor to afford to go private, the only way you’ll survive a life-threatening illness from now on”… The winding-down benefit system - now has an entire section for “End of Life Care” rather than “Actually, I’d like some benefits whilst I’m still alive TO benefit from that cash!”.
That’s going to happen to a LOT of us over the next 5-20 years.
That in turn, will solve the problem of "Pensions gone for that same about-to-retire generation.
I’m not hearing ANY noises from Keir Starmer about what he’s going to do to STOP that. NO vision for the future at all.
Boris pulled a blinder in 2019 - making sure there was only the main parties already represented at Westminster - on people’s ballot papers, up and down the land…
I’m not going to vote Labour to “get rid of the Tories”. I’m not going to vote Tory to “Keep Labour out” neither.
If we’re to preserve democracy here - we need to maintain that fourth option on every single ballot paper instead.
Incidentally, we know that our future of “Remain” - that alternative reality that would have happened if Cameron had never promised a referendum he had no intention of implementing…
…Wouldn’t have been any better. We’d be like Germany now, which gets the same news blackouts as anything else covered on RT channel…
If the “Rule of Law” demands that we all go quietly into the night, and just die on demand - then perhaps it is time for us ALL to question this entire concept of “Rule of Law” and those who pertain to be “Lawyers” - of which Starmer is just as bad as Blair in that regard. “Part of the problem” rather than “Part of the Solution”.
We need a government of EMPLOYERS in this country able to directly give the public that well-paid job we all want where we can afford to pay the higher taxes for the better public services.
Any would-be “Government” otherwise - is going to impoverish the electorate, rather than do anything FOR those who vote for them. That’s the way it has ALWAYS been.
Rule of Law? - No.
Rule of LAWYERS - many of them rotten to the core.
Time to stop, and rethink the entire concept of “Consent to be Ruled” methinks.
Sousers on here - might like to tell us how cool life is under their perma-labour local councils…
They get fully-funded regardless of who’s in power at Westminster, after all.
It is upto the super-red councils in Bootle, Birkenhead, and other locales in scouseland to roll out flagship Labour policies as they are already in power there, so we look to them to set an example - don’t we?
Sell us! - Go on!
What did you get done during the Blair years whilst’ we’re at it too… How come the “Red Wall” wasn’t expanded over the entire country during Blair’s time in office?
With a 32hr week comes 32hr pay.
PaddyTheLorryDriver:
With a 32hr week comes 32hr pay.
Sez who?
“Trials of a four-day week in Iceland were an “overwhelming success” and led to many workers moving to shorter hours, researchers have said.
The trials, in which workers were paid the same amount for shorter hours, took place between 2015 and 2019.
Productivity remained the same or improved in the majority of workplaces, researchers said.
A number of other trials are now being run across the world, including in Spain and by Unilever in New Zealand.”
BBC earlier this year.
France moved onto a 35hr week years ago.
They certainly haven`t been bankrupted by the move.
The UK wasn`t crippled by the minimum wage when that was introduced amid screams from some employers.
32hour week for 48 hours WTD average working week’s PAY - would work…
“Lifting the minimum wage” - isn’t the answer though, as the differential would need to be maintained.
Union members - insist upon that!!
Who wants to work 32 hours for even £1000 a week - if every tom, ■■■■, and harry also gets £1000 a week for their own “job” that might be dossing around drinking tea all day long, taking 13 days off full-paid sick every year “because you can”, and people being “minimalist” on an industrial scale…
“Industrial” here - is the same meaning of the world like in the phrase “Industrial Action” btw… 
A better way to reward people’s harder work than their peers - is to tax overtime less, stop paying sick pay unless you are actually in hospital undergoing treatment (includes “out patient appointments” - full day’s pay to attend one…) and basing more “jobs” on an hourly rate definition instead of this “Salaried” claptrap that again - encourages people to put in the minimum effort at all times “because you don’t get paid more for being keen, and getting more work done”…
Never heard Labour suggesting ANY of the above though. Odd that, bearing in mind it doesn’t cost anything to maintain as a policy…
I can understand governments “not wanting to spend money they don’t have” - but why can’t we have more of the free stuff, that merely represents laws that are designed to change people’s behaviour patterns in a way that they get more done AND earn more cash?
I was salaried for 14 years with bonuses. I liked it as the harder and faster I worked the less hours I worked. I like chasing the clock, that’s why Brakes is still appealing to me.
The last time I voted was for Tony Blair, what he did was to then destroy workers pay and conditions,after the years we spent getting them right. So No Never will I vote for those clowns ever again, now I will vote for nobody and let you lot take the blame for the next bunch of lying dicks you vote in.
Narc:
The last time I voted was for Tony Blair, what he did was to then destroy workers pay and conditions,after the years we spent getting them right. So No Never will I vote for those clowns ever again, now I will vote for nobody and let you lot take the blame for the next bunch of lying dicks you vote in.
Pay was rising quicker from 1999 to 2008, than since the Tories took over.
statista.com/statistics/100 … in-the-uk/
What conditions did Blair destroy?
I know that many here merely repeat what the Tory media repeats, as if repetition is truth, (it isn`t !) but many more of us can see past a rant.
Franglais:
Narc:
The last time I voted was for Tony Blair, what he did was to then destroy workers pay and conditions,after the years we spent getting them right. So No Never will I vote for those clowns ever again, now I will vote for nobody and let you lot take the blame for the next bunch of lying dicks you vote in.Pay was rising quicker from 1999 to 2008, than since the Tories took over.
statista.com/statistics/100 … in-the-uk/
What conditions did Blair destroy?I know that many here merely repeat what the Tory media repeats, as if repetition is truth, (it isn`t !) but many more of us can see past a rant.
Supply and demand has seen lower rates in all sectors and conditions have steadily declined since the Blair years, the conservatives have simply carried it all on. FYi I don’t read or follow traditional media,that is why in another post I declined to post any links for fear of upsetting you, so please don’t judge me as a tory pal as I am neither a lab rat or a tory rat, too me they are all whittling away at the working man.
They are all as bad as each other, if you have not yet realized this, I absolutely look forward to your great awakening…
man alive i cant belive some of the comments… are none of you guys old enough to even know about the three day week in 74 and all the poverty it brought
cooper1203:
man alive i cant belive some of the comments… are none of you guys old enough to even know about the three day week in 74 and all the poverty it brought
Yep and it was at the end of '74 that we emigrated to Australia. Best move we ever made, specially when we come back for holidays and watch it all going down the tube a bit more every time.