I agree the driver is an idiot but I am curious to know if albion1971 is actually a driver,allways seems to slate hgv drivers,curious is all
Merc Hacksaw. Just like its namesake does the job and , er, that’s about as far as it goes.
truckman020:
I agree the driver is an idiot but I am curious to know if albion1971 is actually a driver,allways seems to slate hgv drivers,curious is all
I would have thought you would have known by now. I was a driver (now retired.) for over 20 years and also involved in training including HGV for about another 20 years.
You are correct I do slate drivers but only bad ones and surely you cannot deny there seem to be too many around these days?
The way I’ve seen drivers drive at 56, I dread to think what I’d be like if we’re were given free reign. Far to much traffic on the roads for that now.
Radar19:
The way I’ve seen drivers drive at 56, I dread to think what I’d be like if we’re were given free reign. Far to much traffic on the roads for that now.
That would all depend how it’s policed. There are enough unmarked cars floating about to catch speeding. If you dished out 90 day bans on vocational licenses, that would deter the speeding. How many accidents involving hgv’s are due to excessive speed above 50? A dam site less than rear end shunts I would say. How many trucks doing 52 get tailgated? Not many, because everyone has the speed to go around them 
OVLOV JAY:
Radar19:
The way I’ve seen drivers drive at 56, I dread to think what I’d be like if we’re were given free reign. Far to much traffic on the roads for that now.That would all depend how it’s policed. There are enough unmarked cars floating about to catch speeding. If you dished out 90 day bans on vocational licenses, that would deter the speeding. How many accidents involving hgv’s are due to excessive speed above 50? A dam site less than rear end shunts I would say. How many trucks doing 52 get tailgated? Not many, because everyone has the speed to go around them
Except the prat that can do 52.5 until it sees a hill.
I can do 54 but cruise all day at 52, when a truck that can only do 53 decides to overtake I feel they have made a poor judgement call and whack her up to 54, thus maintaining my position in the race before settling back to 52 and doing it all over again a few miles later.
I’m also very difficult to overtake downhill due to my desire for the white knuckle experience of coasting at 70+. Many sisters have been left hung out to dry on failed downhill coast overtake attempts.
This driving style gets me loads of waves from other pro drivers.
Pre limiter days I was an absolute nightmare. 
I don’t know about you lot, but if somebody pulls out to overtake me and ends up sat alongside when he loses momentum, I don’t care if he has misjudged or if he’s just simply a crap driver, who either can’t judge or doesn’t give one. …I will.ALWAYS back off.
Lifes to ■■■■ short to take the moral high ground, and say ‘Stuff you mate, I’m in the right here’ and leave him hanging for 5 miles…what’s the point, wtf does it matter. 
Back off a couple of clicks, let him in, let him go, … safe in the knowledge that YOU are the better driver, and that you have just displayed that fact to him and the other guys he is holding up.
Too many self righteous ■■■■■ who show that in real terms they are just as bad a driver in their arrogance, as the overtaking driver in his incompetence.
robroy:
I don’t know about you lot, but if somebody pulls out to overtake me and ends up sat alongside when he loses momentum, I don’t care if he has misjudged or if he’s just simply a crap driver, who either can’t judge or doesn’t give one. …I will.ALWAYS back off.Lifes to [zb] short to take the moral high ground, and say ‘Stuff you mate, I’m in the right here’ and leave him hanging for 5 miles…what’s the point, wtf does it matter.
Back off a couple of clicks, let him in, let him go, … safe in the knowledge that YOU are the better driver, and that you have just displayed that fact to him and the other guys he is holding up.
Too many self righteous ■■■■■ who show that in real terms they are just as bad a driver in their arrogance, as the overtaking driver in his incompetence.
+1 but with one exception. If I’m fully loaded going uphill I won’t ease off, I need all the momentum I can get. If they’re still there for the downhill, it’s all theirs.
OVLOV JAY:
Radar19:
The way I’ve seen drivers drive at 56, I dread to think what I’d be like if we’re were given free reign. Far to much traffic on the roads for that now.That would all depend how it’s policed. There are enough unmarked cars floating about to catch speeding. If you dished out 90 day bans on vocational licenses, that would deter the speeding. How many accidents involving hgv’s are due to excessive speed above 50? A dam site less than rear end shunts I would say. How many trucks doing 52 get tailgated? Not many, because everyone has the speed to go around them
The last thing we need is non limiters.
Think about it.
First thing it would be used as a means of getting that extra load in, or that extra 50 miles down the road.
ie Knob head ‘planners’ that would ‘plan’ you for sitting at 80 all day.
It’s ■■■■ bad enough now with some of you being run ragged to the limits of endurance.
Secondly I don’t know about you lot but I would not want to be sat at the arse end of a queue on the M6 with 2 lanes of Dicks in trucks creaming towards me at 80 rushing to catch the ferry or whatever.
There are only 2 examples to start with why it shouldn’t happen, chuck in the mix the volume of today’s traffic (compared to the old pre. limiter days) and the attitude and mentality of some truck ‘drivers’ …and it’s a recipe for ■■■■ disaster. 
I’ll stick to 56 limiter thanks.
it depends on the road but on a motorway etc. yes I will back off, there is no point not too unless the 3 seconds you lose mean that much to you.
Captain Caveman 76:
robroy:
I don’t know about you lot, but if somebody pulls out to overtake me and ends up sat alongside when he loses momentum, I don’t care if he has misjudged or if he’s just simply a crap driver, who either can’t judge or doesn’t give one. …I will.ALWAYS back off.Lifes to [zb] short to take the moral high ground, and say ‘Stuff you mate, I’m in the right here’ and leave him hanging for 5 miles…what’s the point, wtf does it matter.
Back off a couple of clicks, let him in, let him go, … safe in the knowledge that YOU are the better driver, and that you have just displayed that fact to him and the other guys he is holding up.
Too many self righteous ■■■■■ who show that in real terms they are just as bad a driver in their arrogance, as the overtaking driver in his incompetence.+1 but with one exception. If I’m fully loaded going uphill I won’t ease off, I need all the momentum I can get. If they’re still there for the downhill, it’s all theirs.
Yeh, ok, goes without saying.
(Maybe a bit hasty with the ‘‘ALWAYS’’ bit there. 
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Yes i do the same, let them go, even the ones who when you’ve sat in a snake for a long time suddenly some hero whos been behind realises he has 1mph advantage as you near the brow of the hill so goes for the overtake , course a few seconds later he’s alongside you and speeds are even again…why he couldn’t see that happening and why no one else started an overtake i haven’t a bloody clue, maybe beyond their wit…so back off a bit and let him in which often leads to another from behind going for the same overtake.
I find this pushing and shoving at its worse when i’m on an early one and going north past B’Ham at around 6am, soon as you clear brum it’s like a bunch of lemmings climbed in lorries and like car drivers push and shove jammed right up each others arse trying to get ten seconds in front, i can’t be arsed with them and when they congregate i knock the cruise back to 50 for the rest of the trip so they can all come by, but why do they do it?
TBH if anyone here was a copper they could pull lorries up all day long between brum and Manc and nick 'em for dangerous tailgating.
As for scrapping limiters, too late it would be carnage, they can’t keep the bloody things upright on a straight road at 55mph, or they ram each other up the arse with boring and entirely predictable regularity.
If anything i reckon remote lower limiting of lorries will be next, so when traffic levels reach a certain volume or conditions worsen a signal will go out and reduce lorry limiters to 50 or whatever the system deems at the time.
The numpties have only got themselves to blame, same as auto braking and radar cruise, cos they haven’t the wit to drive competently with patience at almost any speed the machine is going to do it for them.
I did put in my comment that you should get a ban if caught over 60. The planners would be no worse than today, and as always, it’s down to the driver to tune them in The only times I’ve felt totally safe on a motorway is when I worked at Coltons, where all my trucks did 60, and now, where I do 53. 56 is just too dangerous these days. You can take every care not to tailgate, but you can’t stop the helmet behind you. And speed limiters don’t stop you doing 56 through a 30 limit. I just think they’re outdated
Why drive like this? Purely and simply because there is no deterrent to driving like this!
OVLOV JAY:
I did put in my comment that you should get a ban if caught over 60. The planners would be no worse than today, and as always, it’s down to the driver to tune them in
A couple of your points to answer here Jay.
Firstly a ban over 60 is a bit ott not to say harsh.
The planners WOULD do as I said they would, end of, I would put a months wages on it against your fiver, we all know how these guys minds work
Dozy for example, ok we all take the ■■■■ and maybe dozy can not be described as ‘typical’ but him, and a hell of a lot of drivers like him are pushed to the last minute and last kph to the limits …and beyond to keep them on their toes.
Drivers tune them in■■? Seriously Jay?
I won’t waste my time or yours, with more banging on about drivers standing up for themselves against bosses…ratio of which would be 1 in 50 at a consevative guess.
As for crap drivers tailgating, don’t know about you but I could not give a ■■■■ if they are intent on burying themselves in my trailer doors, that is their lookout.
Not quite sure about your point about limiters not stopping you doing 56 in a 30, that is a matter for good drivers to observe and for The Law to Police it.
Obviously not banning you for doing 61, but if you are seen at a prolonged speed of 65 or more, then it’s 3 months away from the wheel.
Drivers do stand up to the planners, of sorts. A driver will not get a work load more than they can achieve. A worker will always get more than a shirker, it’s just up to the driver to set the boundaries with the operator.
And I never used to worry about tailgaters, until all these “safe” modern vehicles with snap off cab mounts. I saw that pentalver merc laying nose down on the A14 last year. Nothing wrong with the way he was driving, next thing he’s looking at Tarmac
OVLOV JAY:
Obviously not banning you for doing 61, but if you are seen at a prolonged speed of 65 or more, then it’s 3 months away from the wheel.Drivers do stand up to the planners, of sorts. A driver will not get a work load more than they can achieve. A worker will always get more than a shirker, it’s just up to the driver to set the boundaries with the operator.
And I never used to worry about tailgaters, until all these “safe” modern vehicles with snap off cab mounts. I saw that pentalver merc laying nose down on the A14 last year. Nothing wrong with the way he was driving, next thing he’s looking at Tarmac
Ok take your point about the 60/65 thing.
However we will have to agree to differ on drivers standing up to planners.
The more a driver is willing to go along with tight arsed schedules and excessive work loads, by showing willing even to attempt them, working through breaks, sat on the limiter, and saying nothing, the more he will be harrased and pushed…fact.
If a driver sets his own pace, and displays the fact he will not be pushed, drives at a sensible pace, and legally, he will be treated different, and better, but as I said 1 in 50 imo.
See what you mean about bad drivers, but you can never account for them, they will always turn your good day into a ■■■■ day in some degree, but I still do not think that banning limiters will adress or cure this…on the contrary in fact.
Well it wouldn’t be the first time we’ve agreed to disagree rob
OVLOV JAY:
Well it wouldn’t be the first time we’ve agreed to disagree rob
Yeh, but it beats going at each other’s throats, … although maybe not as entertaining for everybody else.